It's not like marriage is that sacred anyways, with most people ending up getting divorced and or just getting it for government benefits.

Personally, I don't want or need to see more of this type of ad.

Most of us heterosexual types simply don't care what the gays are doing!!

Now, maybe you're campaigning against some small minds out there, but it is human nature to make value judgements based on one's PERSONAL value system.

You are never going to get EVERYONE to accept.. or especially to admire your lifestyle choice!

As far as gay marriage and tax issues.... the government should stay out of marriage completely - the law has no business in the department of love.

Originally posted by seabag
Just because you don’t like the outcome in your state doesn’t make it tyrannical….

Sorry!

Could you please just be HONEST! Nobody arguing from your point of view is ever honest.

Just say "I have a personal problem with gays being able to marry." And that's the crux of this issue. People are currently able to vote on the rights of others. Gays are being denied a right because of people like you, and the people denying them this right actually feel good that they are able to do so. Admit it, you LOVE that them queers can't get married in your state, despite the fact that it has nothing to do with you. I guess I will just never understand oppression and tyranny; I cannot comprehend wanting to tell other people what they can and cannot do so long as it doesn't violate the rights of others

And like I said, you have the right to be wrong. In this case you're wrong on two things. The first is obvious and it's the focal point of this thread. The second is about my state. If you've been reading what I've been writing you would know that my state is a little more educated and compassionate than most. It's kind of funny that the states that are allowing gays to marry are also the first states that abolished slavery. It makes you realize that it's only a matter of time before the whole country will let them fags marry...

OH NOES, if that happens we're all gonna die, Fred Phelps says so.

ignorance is geographic I guess

Originally posted by v1rtu0s0
It's not like marriage is that sacred anyways, with most people ending up getting divorced and or just getting it for government benefits.

Dude, that's my selling point. Women hate me, but I have ill medical insurance. I just need to find a broad with cancer or something.

Originally posted by DeReK DaRkLy
Now, maybe you're campaigning against some small minds out there, but it is human nature to make value judgements based on one's PERSONAL value system.

Good point, this argument is silly, especially because within 20 years the majority of the country will allow gay marriage anyway, maybe with a few holdouts in the bible stronghold states.

Originally posted by Sunsetspawn

Could you please just be HONEST! Nobody arguing from your point of view is ever honest.

Just say "I have a personal problem with gays being able to marry." And that's the crux of this issue. People are currently able to vote on the rights of others. Gays are being denied a right because of people like you, and the people denying them this right actually feel good that they are able to do so. Admit it, you LOVE that them queers can't get married in your state, despite the fact that it has nothing to do with you. I guess I will just never understand oppression and tyranny; I cannot comprehend wanting to tell other people what they can and cannot do so long as it doesn't violate the rights of others

And like I said, you have the right to be wrong. In this case you're wrong on two things. The first is obvious and it's the focal point of this thread. The second is about my state. If you've been reading what I've been writing you would know that my state is a little more educated and compassionate than most. It's kind of funny that the states that are allowing gays to marry are also the first states that abolished slavery. It makes you realize that it's only a matter of time before the whole country will let them fags marry...

OH NOES, if that happens we're all gonna die, Fred Phelps says so.

ignorance is geographic I guess

I don’t have a personal problem with how two adults chose to live. To be honest, I am more of a “don’t ask don’t tell” kind of guy! I don’t want to keep hearing about gay (transgender, bi-sexual, transsexual, etc) business. I surely don’t want my children exposed to these things at a young age.

This is my problem with gay activists. Why can’t you just live your life? Why is it necessary to continuously push your lifestyle on people? Why are so many gays driven to be IN OUR FACE with their sexuality? I don’t CARE!!! Most people DON’T CARE! Do what you’d like but please stop promoting it because the majority of people on this PLANET don’t agree with it. If they did, we would run ourselves extinct!!

There will be no great enlightenment where everyone just begins to see it your way…..it won’t happen!

Also, the premise of your argument is not honest. Gays DO NOT have a RIGHT to marry. Some states ALLOW it but there is NO CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT. Marriage has been defined by congress as between one man and one woman….look it up. And by the way, for you (or anyone) to equate the inability of gays to marry to enslaving innocent people in any way shape or form is completely dishonest and reprehensible. Gay marriage is not a civil right…freedom is.

Originally posted by seabag
They are not restricted from sharing their lives together. That was my point. Nobody comes to your house and decides who can or cannot live together. Some states don’t recognize gay marriage. The voters of each state determine what is or is not acceptable. If you don’t like what your state does you have the option to move. The Defense of Marriage act was passed by both houses of Congress by large majorities. This makes it a state issue, which it should be. But that doesn’t prohibit people in any state from sharing their lives together.

The problem is not living together. The problem is the civil institution of marriage and all the rights and responsibilities thereby entailed. Right of inheritance, ability to pass property to a spouse without tax consequence, right to be in the ER with your loved one. If my hubby passed away, I would receive Social Security benefits since I'm taking care of our minor children. I can be a stay at home parent because, as a spouse, he can add me to his health insurance and we pay the additional premium. There is no reason why I should have greater rights, mobility, etc because I am heterosexual and married.

The thing is - there are two separate institutions of "marriage". The civil institution which conveys the rights, taxation, etc and the religious institution which is recognition by the church. There is absolutely no reason why the civil institution of marriage is forbidden to two people because of their choice in spouse. Religious? Up to the particular church and they should also be protected from being sued if they do not wish to participate.

After 10 years behind a tax desk, don't feed me the "sanctity of marriage" argument. Heterosexuals have not done that great of a job with it.

Also, previous poster is correct. The US was formed as a Republic for the very reason of protecting the minority from the majority. It is incomprehensible to me that 50%+1 person can keep people from marriage.

Letting gay people marry gays doesn't give them extra rights. If the law was rewritten to where gays could marry, heterosexual people would have the right to marry people of the same sex as well, but most likely wouldn't because they are heterosexual after all. But then people do change...

Why couldn't this problem have been settled years ago, I'm sure we'd all be over it by now.

Originally posted by seabag

I don’t have a personal problem with how two adults chose to live. To be honest, I am more of a “don’t ask don’t tell” kind of guy! I don’t want to keep hearing about gay (transgender, bi-sexual, transsexual, etc) business. I surely don’t want my children exposed to these things at a young age.

This is my problem with gay activists. Why can’t you just live your life? Why is it necessary to continuously push your lifestyle on people? Why are so many gays driven to be IN OUR FACE with their sexuality? I don’t CARE!!! Most people DON’T CARE! Do what you’d like but please stop promoting it because the majority of people on this PLANET don’t agree with it. If they did, we would run ourselves extinct!!

There will be no great enlightenment where everyone just begins to see it your way…..it won’t happen!

Also, the premise of your argument is not honest. Gays DO NOT have a RIGHT to marry. Some states ALLOW it but there is NO CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT. Marriage has been defined by congress as between one man and one woman….look it up. And by the way, for you (or anyone) to equate the inability of gays to marry to enslaving innocent people in any way shape or form is completely dishonest and reprehensible. Gay marriage is not a civil right…freedom is.

So if homosexual couples don't have a right to marry then neither do heterosexual couples. You are saying that there is no constitutional right in which I guess you're correct but how can a law that is passed that actively denies two people from living a life of prosperity and happiness be right? It's not. If I told you tomorrow that you can lay with anyone you want but you can never marry them to reap the same equal benefits that those who can marry would you be accepting of that?

Also, I don't see the agenda of gays being pushed in peoples faces at all. In actuality what I see are people that are open about their sexuality willing to talk about it and less afraid to show affection in public. What I also see are heterosexual couples feeling threatened by this as that means the social norm for family dynamics will change.

Shame on you for even supporting any "majority" that would see others suffer.


That commercial wasn't even on in America.