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Intelligence agencies and Occultism

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posted on Nov, 26 2011 @ 11:57 AM
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I was just thinking..... It's illegal for a known psychic to gamble at a Casino (and yet it 'isn't' real).. It's also illegal for someone to use occultism (summon spirits) to invest in the stock market......

This leads me to believe, the establishment, those who run casinos, and those who run the stock market, ALREADY utilize such methods (or are aware of them) and so disallow others from using them.

So, if someone IS summoning spirits in order to hit it big in the stock market, an industry executive simply has to make his own spiritual inquiry - summon a spirit - and if he discovers this is indeed happening, he will notify the authorities, who will probably deal with this matter in a surreptitious manner.

I would also wager that the CIA and other intelligence agencies frequently 'consult' spirits to see what is happening, if any people are threatened, or perhaps such spirits consult them whenever some poignant piece of information is picked up...

What do you think about this?




posted on Nov, 26 2011 @ 12:10 PM
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Intelligence Agencies employ Remote Viewers (see "Project Stargate") and Psychics.. Casinos employ "Coolers" to cool down winning-streaks. If you look at places where a lot if really at stake, you`ll see how real metaphysical reality actually is. You bring up a good point.



posted on Nov, 26 2011 @ 12:17 PM
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Very good question. Well, I believe they are, There are ways of telling this. The pentagram was originally created like this. There is the Sun, Venus, and Earth. They rotate like hands of a clock. When Venus and Earth line up with the Sun, you put a dot on Earth's orbit. Keep spinning the clock and the hands intersect 5 times. Connect these points and it is the pentagram. Now you look at Washington, D.C. Arial view and what do you see? A pentagram. The geometry is in the roof of the white house. The Pentagon. Might as well be on their foreheads. 9-11 was a sacrifice. They speak Numerology and the numbers don't lie. Too many coincidences, my friends. Why is their e.l.f. transmitter in Australia built in the form of sacred geometrical patterns, the tetrahedron, or also known as the "Metatron's cube"? They do not need to run the casinos... they are the one who makes and takes our money... matter of fact it was never ours to begin with. We are just borrowing their currency for a small price to have freedom. I have already left this video that I have made in a prior reply, but for those who haven't, this makes things a little evident. I encourage everyone to keep there eyes open... I can feel something building

Opposition and Resistance




posted on Nov, 26 2011 @ 12:23 PM
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I went to a casino once with friends, and we were on a loosing streak. We were about to leave when I decided to pick up a big promotional card representing the roulette, closed my eyes and let my finger go in circles above it.

We all put our bet on the number I had picked doing that. We won! I do it again, and we still win. After 20 minutes, 5 security employees surrounded us and spent a good 15 minutes examining us to see what was going on with our sudden and unending winning streak. It attracted a lot of people to bet on the same number we did.

Needless to say, we stayed until we began loosing a few times.

We left with our pockets full!


We all thought it was "magical", but I was wondering why the employees were attracted to look at us as I thought what I was doing was harmless. As you say in the OP, things like that aren't suppose to be real. And others were also winning, but only my friends and I were spotted...



posted on Nov, 26 2011 @ 01:01 PM
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don't research much?
The Original 007, John_Dee
en.wikipedia.org...
www.elizabethan-era.org.uk...



The Monas Hieroglyphica (or Hieroglyphic Monad) is an esoteric symbol invented and designed by John Dee, the Elizabethan Magus and Court Astrologer of Elizabeth I of England. It is also the title of the 1564 book in which Dee expounds the meaning of his symbol.

en.wikipedia.org...

try not to freak out at some of the more outre stories/conspiracies



posted on Nov, 26 2011 @ 01:05 PM
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REALLY interesting.


S&F



posted on Nov, 26 2011 @ 01:08 PM
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I seriously doubt that there is a relevant usage of occultism in our intelligence agencies when billions have been spent on developing the technology that provides all the information that they need on a real time basis...



posted on Nov, 26 2011 @ 01:20 PM
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You may be right,

but I wouldn't be too sure...

I have been researching the use of the occult coupled with high technology, and the two go hand in hand...

There are some serious sorcery going on in our alphabet agencies, behind the scenes...
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posted on Nov, 26 2011 @ 01:59 PM
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Care to try that again? I'd like to see your video. "Malformed Link".

ETA: Nevermind, here it is.




edit on 11/26/2011 by Klassified because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 26 2011 @ 02:03 PM
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In terms of efficiency, its absolutely necessary to develop other technologies intelligence agencies have and use today: because practically speaking, the use of occultism has only particular applications. For instance, if someone were planning to assassinate the president, or someone else with power, a spirit could pick this up and transmit that knowledge to the people its connected with. But this method wouldn't be effective with what Intelligence agencies generally concern themselves with.

Since occultism is used in general to find lost objects, missing individuals, or even 'predict' the stock market, you can't discount the practical value it would have to intelligence agencies.



posted on Nov, 26 2011 @ 02:06 PM
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You're closer to the truth than you may even be aware of.

Good post. I would have liked to see some more information to substantiate your argument, but, I understand exactly why you came to the conclusions that you did.



posted on Nov, 26 2011 @ 02:22 PM
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It's entirely speculative. What else could I add to 'substantiate' my speculations? It's not exactly something you can easily gather information on.

But, it seems too rational to ignore. I know first hand the value of occultic forces. If i know this, how much more so should the PTB, who FEIGN ignorance in these areas, make use of it.

I know that using occultic forces, spirit summoning etc, is illegal, to make money in the stock market. It sounds silly, but it's true. There have been plenty of people (who I cant remember right now, but i know i've read up on a few people who did this in the late 19th century and got in big trouble for it) who have lost everything they made because they made that money through 'dishonest' means i.e. using occultism. And the only way to discover (since these things are usually done in private, and in the shroud of secrecy) that someone is doing this, is by using the same methods.

It could also be used to prevent assassinations, something that must concern the mystic-philosophers who control the world, since I'm sure the thought of killing rich, elites must pass through the minds of people often, and perhaps its dealt with more then we know..

If someone is making plans, these plans can and would be picked up by a spiritual force/entity.. Before the person managed to affect anything he had planned, an intelligence agency would be there to intervene, arrest him..........This may be why political assassinations which AREN'T sanctioned by the political authority, almost never succeed. There are always ways to prevent such things from happening.. And those political assassinations which do succeed, they are most probably commissioned by the highest powers, and hence, are never prevented.



posted on Nov, 26 2011 @ 04:38 PM
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Originally posted by dontreally
you can't discount the practical value it would have to intelligence agencies.


Yes I can.

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."

While I am abhorrent to discount the possibility of psychic capabilities, I think that the phenomenon is not understood near enough to be in actual and reliable use when technology is there and has been pursued for decades.



posted on Nov, 26 2011 @ 04:49 PM
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Yes I can.


And no, you can not. If it has practical value - hence the term "practical magic" - to the seasoned occultist, then it would be very reasonable to wager that the political elite - nobility, etc, are well aware of its principles, and make use of it.

For instance, derepentlestranger aptly pointed out that John Dee signed his name by two circles (symbolizing his eyes) and 7 (i.e. 007) , as in the 7 spheres, which the occultist sees into.

You must not understand occultism very well, or have a very limited knowledge of it, to be so sure that the intelligence agencies wouldn't make use of it.



While I am abhorrent to discount the possibility of psychic capabilities, I think that the phenomenon is not understood near enough to be in actual and reliable use when technology is there and has been pursued for decades.


First, It doesn't need to be perfectly understood in order for people to make use of it. Second, you make the assumption that it isn't understood. If you've studied Kabbalah, you will know that a metaphysical system of the transcendent realms is understood fairly well, and thus, someone with this theoretical knowledge is able to put into practice with a certain degree of positivity that it will work just as he has learned it will.

What's not so much understood, at least not technically, is how the transcendent realms of mind are contiguous with the laws of space and time. And this I'm sure will be something we will figure out within the next century.



posted on Nov, 26 2011 @ 09:03 PM
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There is some great material floating around concerning Jack Parsons Lab (JPL) and Crowley.
Also Levay/Aquino. Research it. I think you will enjoy that long and winding road.


Great post. S&F

Here are some links for you this is old but still relevant.

www.youtube.com... 0l219l1389l3.7.1l11l0

and this: www.youtube.com...

2 short viddy clips to get you going.
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posted on Nov, 27 2011 @ 01:00 AM
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Yes I think you are right, there is something to all this.
I always think back to that JP Morgan quote of :
Millionaires don't use astrology, Billionaires do.
This is a bit off topic but has anyone else read Cosmos and Psyche?
The author Richard Tarnas said because of a Uranus Pluto conjunction
starting in Spring 2010 revolution would sweep the world.
I think the book was written in 2006?
The meta world is routinely ridiculed for a reason by the establishment.
To keep it occult .



posted on Nov, 27 2011 @ 01:17 AM
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Remember Tony Blair used an astrologer, Jimmy Carter's sister was a known witch, the Elite consulted Sylvester Stallone's mother for astrology and other things related...



posted on Nov, 27 2011 @ 03:36 AM
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Originally posted by dontreally
I was just thinking..... It's illegal for a known psychic to gamble at a Casino (and yet it 'isn't' real).. It's also illegal for someone to use occultism (summon spirits) to invest in the stock market......


Im not saying this is untrue, but what law would you be breaking? or how do they word the crime?



posted on Nov, 27 2011 @ 07:44 AM
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You can call it what you want to call it psychology intuitionist, Occult, Hermetics I Ching, magic (art deception) alchemy (art of manipulation), telepathy physic powers or reading tell of others and using foresight
all the same to me all i have to do is read the situations and put others into a decision making them choose while leaving me with options staying focused on that cause not the resulting effects

2 Quotes


Doyle Brunson "The key to No-Limit ... is to put a man to a decision for all his chips." In other words, you have to be willing to put your opponents all-in, and make an all-in call yourself at any time.



Mike Caro "America's Mad Genius" -- Suddenly you're awake. But where are you? Everywhere you look there's white. White walls hug and confine you, stretching deeper and deeper, marking the boundaries of a straight, narrow, featureless hallway. You're bewildered, but who wouldn't be? Finally you stand and look behind you. All white, everything, going back to where it all vanishes. You push against the hard white floor, swaying and almost losing your balance because you've been asleep so long. Looking ahead, you realize the hallway is not exactly like it was behind you. Almost the same, but not quite. Way, way in the distance you can see some specks. And, reasoning that specks are better than nothing, you begin walking toward them. It takes a long time, but then the specks grow and define themselves. They have become signs, gold in color and arrow-shaped. They hang at the end of the hallway, and you can see lettering on them. Closer and closer you walk, until you can see that there's a second hallway perpendicular to the this one. One arrow points left and reads: "Casino." The other points right and reads: "Life." It's decisions like this that make you cry out for your mommy. Let me help. Turn right toward the real world, and I'll give you some advice as you're walking. In the future I'll provide plenty of strategy for winning at formal gambling, including some tips that will help you fare better inside the casino.
But there's something you have to understand today. Gambling games are merely formalized, simplified ways of experiencing exactly the same risks we experience in everyday life. If you're alive--as most of my readers are--you gamble. Formally or informally, you gamble.

1. The cards probably won't break even--not in gin rummy, not in poker, and not in real life. There's a common misconception that if you play poker long enough the cards will break even. Fat chance! Maybe, if you could play forever, never stopping, never sleeping, eventually you'd break even on luck. But not in just one lifetime! Early on you'd probably break even on, say, the number of full houses you were dealt, but it would take much longer to break even on circumstances surrounding those full houses.

You might lose more hands than you should lose on average. On the other hand, sometimes opponents might have nothing to oppose you with, and you'll win nothing. You might get many full houses when you're sitting in big-limit games, or you may receive most in smaller games. You might be against weak opponents, you might not. On and on. And the more factors you consider, the broader the range of luck, and the longer it will take for you to break even.

5. Never seek sympathy. I teach gamblers never to complain about bad luck. First of all, nobody really cares. Their own exaggerated memories of personal bad luck dwarf whatever you're complaining about. And if you complain to opponents--such as in a poker game--they're inspired because you're unlucky. They'll think you're not a force to be reckoned with, they'll play better, and they'll cost you money.

It's the same in life. There's absolutely no reason to tell tales of misfortune. You'll inspire life's opponents, and you'll lose esteem among life's allies. So, if your luck is bad, keep it to yourself.

6. Keep your hand secret. If you habitually exposed your poker hand before the showdown, opponents would know what you had, and they'd know for certain whether to play against you, whether to raise you, whether to pass. It would be stupid to play poker that way, but people do that everyday in real life. How? They don't keep secrets. Listen: Never volunteer personal information to anyone who isn't a friend, unless you know specifically that you have something to gain by volunteering the information. Sound heartless? Well, OK, it's all right to volunteer useful information if it can't harm you. It's also all right to give information sometimes if you're getting information in return.


play for and in the real, remain unchanged by the chaos around, seek the eye of the storm and clearly you will find cards dont matter until the turn and river. I like flops bur prefer to bet out and never let it get that far.




posted on Nov, 27 2011 @ 10:40 AM
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Originally posted by Klassified
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Care to try that again? I'd like to see your video. "Malformed Link".

ETA: Nevermind, here it is.




edit on 11/26/2011 by Klassified because: (no reason given)


this video was uploaded may 2011.... and it has 9/11 in it, thats quite impressive!



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