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Originally posted by Kandinsky
Some of the tales screw with modern conceptions of science and even basic reasoning. After all, how can a consciousness see or hear? With what can it process the information of photons that generate vision? What part of consciousness can vibrate and convert sound waves into coherent voices or sounds? ‘I felt calm’ is an emotional appraisal that asks, once more, how a non-physical *something* like consciousness can analog the enzymes that make us feel sad or happy? Tough questions and very basic – no wonder much of science has a big problem accepting the on-going research into NDEs!
From the basic questions, we’re off into possibilities of telepathy, after-life hierarchies, meaningful life and *GASP,* the chance that physical humanity is not the finished article!
I’m a fairly materialist guy in the way I think that science will have the answers to everything...given enough time, professionalism and funding. I also understand that science doesn’t have all the answers and shouldn’t be afraid to look in places that makes it nervous. Conversely, I doubt that meditating, chanting or hitting the pews every Sunday will lead further than science can take us.
Just a Smile and a Hello on the Golden Gate Bridge
Mr. Hines described his struggle with a severe bipolar disorder that emerged during his adolescence and worsened over time. Mr. Hines was overwhelmed by paranoid delusions and command auditory hallucinations demanding that he kill himself. Unable to function, he withdrew from college and immediately took a bus to the Golden Gate Bridge. Like many people about to commit suicide, he was ambivalent about dying. He tarried at the bridge railing for about 40 minutes, trying to decide whether to go through with his plan to jump.
A number of people walked by him, oblivious to his anguish, unaware of his life-and-death struggle. Mr. Hines told us that "If someone had smiled and said, ‘Are you okay?’ I know I would have begged them to help me. I would have told them everything and asked for help. I would not have jumped. I just was unable to ask for help myself." In fact, a foreign tourist did stop and talk with Mr. Hines. She asked him to take her picture, which he did. As she walked away, he felt more than ever that "Nobody really cares." He jumped. On the way down, he changed his mind. He remembered thinking, "I want to live. Why am I doing this?" It was too late. Severely injured, Mr. Hines was kept afloat by a sea lion until rescuers arrived.
But the fact is that our new "church" of "science" has been confronted with many findings that seem to have been arrived at in accordance with the scientific method, and dismissed them on the grounds that the work was not done by "real scientists." In fact, much of this work was done by very educated men or women, some of them with academic training, who simply could not get funding or other support from the academic community so sought it elsewhere.
The work includes breakthroughs in energy generation, physics, medicine, psychology, history and theology. All ignored by your "science" because the work was done by "outsiders."
The Special Interest Group was founded in 1999 to provide a forum for
psychiatrists to explore the influence of the major religions, which shape
the cultural values and aspirations of psychiatrist and patient alike. The
spiritual aspirations of persons not identifying with any one particular faith
are held to be of no less importance, as well as the viewpoint of those who
hold that spirituality is independent of religion. The meetings are designed
to enable colleagues to investigate and share without fear of censure the
relevance of spirituality to clinical practice. The Special Interest Group aims to
contribute a framework of ideas of general interest to the College, stimulating
discussion and promoting an integrative approach to mental healthcare. For
patients, there is the need to help the service user feel supported in being
able to bring spiritual concerns to the fore (www.rcpsych.ac.uk/college/
Spiritual experience has never been a subject that was safe to discuss with a psychiatrist, doing so, could add to your symptom list in the form of 'delusion' and lead to an increased dosage of debilitating medications.
I have had some of the most illuminating moments in my life in conversation with those in the throws of psychosis who confronted me with fundamental truths of our human nature and existence which have altered my perspective for life in a very positive way.
The NDE is fascinating...and hope-full. It tells us that there is so much more to learn about what and why we are. I'd argue that speaking to a psychotic - during and after their experience - can also teach us that there is more to us than there appears to be.
The ‘new’ physics may have more answers for the psychiatric patient than their doctor in the future. Is there a matrix of consciousness that exists outside normal space-time paradigms? Aldous Huxley speculates in his work ‘The Doors of Perception’ (1954) that there may well be, arguing that there appears to be a mind at large that encapsulates everything, interconnecting all things. He suggests that the so-called schizophrenic could be the soul who perceives this mind at large and either tolerates it (heaven) or is overwhelmed by it (hell) (Huxley 1956). He asks some very prudent questions in relation to the conditions under which an individual may begin to perceive that which is beyond our contemporary consciousness, heavenly or hellish. Lyall Watson in his book ‘Lifetide’ (1979) refers to a contingent force that appears to hold life together, a universal force which is intelligent.
The God of the Bible stands as the most tenable source of the specified complexity of interconnected neurons upon which human and much animal life depends. Until a naturalistic alternative can explain how a self-healing, adaptive, cosmic-sized internet of connectivity has been shrunk down to the size of a brain, then it is best to identify this hyper-tech design as being the product of a real Designer. And until an objective body of evidence can legitimately debunk the Bible's historicity and proven accuracy, then it is best to identify this Designer as the Creator and Sustainer revealed in Scripture.
Originally posted by Misterlondon
one thing that always fascinated me about the whole nde thing.. I remember reading somewhere about a hospital that put obscure items on top of cabinets etc (hidden from view from the ground)
I cant remember the exact details but people claiming nde's and floating out of their bodies, were able to describe these objects after being resuscitated..
Originally posted by Kandinsky
reply to post by mnmcandiez
'___' has been used as a panacea to explain UFOs, NDEs, ghosts, alien abductions and plenty more.
Nothing I've read is as conclusive as '___'-supporters report.
Originally posted by hotbread
I can see those things when meditating, it has something to do with breathing and your brain. Try it for yourself and you'll see lights and images of all kind.