Cops bust open face of Black Friday grandpa

Prove he was shoplifting and I am all on board. I heard that once he saw his grandson was in danger, he put what was in his hands into his pockets to go and defend his grandson.

Where I come from, you can put all the stuff in your pockets you want. It is when you leave the store without having removed it from your pockets and paid for it that the trouble begins. I need to know the WHOLE story here before I get all into blaming him for stealing and either way, that was too much.

reply to post by TheRedneck


When it comes to things deemed by society, and not law, I say don't change. Just respect other people the same as they would respect you.

Putting something under your clothing looks like theft though. Looking like a thief in this society is asking for trouble. I don't like violence, but I'm not gonna baby face this guy because he got beat down for looking like a thief. If you go to black Friday you should accept it as a time where you need to be very conscious of your actions. He didn't, and payed the price.

Not sure why the kid couldn't hold onto the game. My Dad hoisted me up as a child at times while giving me an item to hold for him.

Originally posted by Evolutionsend
reply to post by Iamonlyhuman

 

His sentence should be 20 hours of common sense class. But he's an old guy. Old guys are always right.

Don't blame the guy walking into the street blindly, blame the bus.

edit on 26-11-2011 by Evolutionsend because: (no reason given)

I see you can't answer without sarcasm so I will take it that as you can't legitimately answer the questions asked. Please answer the following questions:

This man deserved to be judged by the police? Why, then, do we have courts and judges and juries? Is this the extent of his "sentence" then? Can the police release this man now, since they sentenced him to beatings and he served his sentence?

Originally posted by KendraSins
Prove he was shoplifting and I am all on board.

If you really mean this, then shame on you for relinquishing your right to be judged in court, by and judge and/or jury. Do you really mean this? See my post above this one... Please answer the following questions:

This man deserved to be judged by the police? Why, then, do we have courts and judges and juries? Is this the extent of his "sentence" then? Can the police release this man now, since they sentenced him to beatings and he served his sentence?

I'd love it if RT would go a bit beyond their normal level of Journalistic lack of excellence in reporting here and try for something beyond a conveniently timed cell phone video. This is in a Walmart of all places. The whole incident had to be covered by at least 3 different security cameras to get every possible angle of the entire event. Lets see THOSE videos to see what led up to this.

The article suggests he did absolutely nothing to deserve it...and it was actually nothing but a misunderstanding. IF the video bears that out, then there would appear to be another cop or two here who need some personal attention for their training standards. I'm starting to wonder if some Arizona departments even have any with some of the outrageous things we're hearing out of Quartzsite, Mesa and Phoenix.

By the way.... Another account in the same article here suggests the man was already cuffed and being escorted through the store when he was deliberately tripped and put down into the floor.... Thats 2 distinctly separate and mutually exclusive stories.... I only ask RT pick ONE of them and present more than shakey cell phone vids as support. Not too much to ask for?

Originally posted by Evolutionsend
reply to post by TheRedneck

 

When it comes to things deemed by society, and not law, I say don't change. Just respect other people the same as they would respect you.

Putting something under your clothing looks like theft though. Looking like a thief in this society is asking for trouble. I don't like violence, but I'm not gonna baby face this guy because he got beat down for looking like a thief. If you go to black Friday you should accept it as a time where you need to be very conscious of your actions. He didn't, and payed the price.

When did "looking like a thief" become a crime punishable by immediate conviction and sentencing?

Its just a little blood,its good to bleed ,it produces new blood cells,which in turn makes you healthier,thanks police for helping this man to create more blood cells.

reply to post by Iamonlyhuman


He wasn't sentenced, he was taken down. When the cops take someone down on a hard floor like that, it's never pretty. You really can't take someone down without hurting them. I wouldn't be surprised if he did "resist" their accusations, which would've been another mistake. That's pure speculation though. It will all come out in the wash.

Jerald Newman, 54, spent Friday night in a Maricopa County jail hours after being arrested for allegedly resisting arrest and shoplifting, according to the county sheriff's department. But the suspect's family members, as well as at least one witness, said the man is innocent and that the treatment was unnecessary.

The grandson, Nicholas Nava, told CNN affiliate KNXV that Newman had grabbed one video game and put it under his shirt so that others jostling for the game didn't take it from him. One person alerted a police officer, who then approached Newman.

the wash

You mean he walked up to a rack and stuffed it under his shirt? Then he kept it there all the way to the front of the store? When a police officer approaches you when you've got a video game under your shirt, you choose your words and actions carefully.

What kind of a moron would stuff an unpaid item down his pants before paying for it.

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
The whole incident had to be covered by at least 3 different security cameras to get every possible angle of the entire event. Lets see THOSE videos to see what led up to this.

I agree with this statement. However, this is what they're saying:

www.cnn.com...

Members of the Buckeye Police Department did not immediately respond to CNN calls Friday for comment. Assistant Chief Larry Hall told KNXV that Newman struggled after getting hurt, saying he was aggressive and escalated the situation.

"There's a whole other side to this story that wasn't videotaped," Hall said. "There is nothing, on the surface, (that) deems our officer acted inappropriate at this time."

Yeah, RIGHT! Suuuurre.

reply to post by Evolutionsend

I'm not gonna baby face this guy because he got beat down for looking like a thief.

That is a very dangerous statement.

What does a thief look like? Like me? Like you? Like your parents, or mine? Do they have eyes that are too small, or maybe too close together? What does a thief wear?

You can't honestly answer that because there is no answer.

One of two possibilities exist here: either he had intent to shoplift or he did not. If he did have intent to shoplift, can you actually state you believe someone with intent to commit a misdemeanor crime should be beat down? Should someone caught for speeding be dragged out of the car, beaten until unconscious and bleeding, and then arrested? Or should they be detained / arrested by the police and allowed to defend themselves in court?

If he had no intent of shoplifting, are you seriously saying that simply appearing as though one might be in commission of a misdemeanor is reason to be beat down?

Either way, this is abuse of power on a relatively defenseless person. One day, the headlines are going to scream about the man who was beat down and then came back for revenge, killing hundreds before being taken down... all over an act of abuse by the police on an otherwise innocent man. Those people are out there who will do this. I know some of them personally. Nice folks, would give you the shirt off their back as long as you show them a modicum of respect... but not gonna sit still for such an attack.

This is a very scary world you seem to advocate, where the police are allowed to attack and beat senseless anyone they think might be doing something. I hope I am reading you wrong.

TheRedneck

He is too skinny and weak to resist.That man needs to pump some iron and build some bulk before attempting to engage in contests of physical strength.

Originally posted by Evolutionsend
reply to post by Iamonlyhuman

 

He wasn't sentenced, he was taken down. When the cops take someone down on a hard floor like that, it's never pretty. You really can't take someone down without hurting them. I wouldn't be surprised if he did "resist" their accusations, which would've been another mistake. That's pure speculation though. It will all come out in the wash.

www.cnn.com...

David Chadd, a CNN iReporter from Las Vegas, was among those shopping for video games set up in the Walmart's grocery section in a mass of people. He said Newman "was not resisting" arrest as he was led away from the crowd by a police officer.

The officer, Chadd said, then suddenly hooked the suspect around the leg, grabbed him and "slammed him face first into the ground."

Seems the man has more witnesses than the police officer does. AND, no video of the incident? In a WalMart where every square inch of floor space is covered by cameras?

reply to post by TheRedneck


Read the article from CNN. He looks like he was a shoplifter to me. Not sure who made up the lifting the kid story? Evidently it's a lie.

To clearly define what a thief looks like, it's someone stuffing items under their shirt.

Originally posted by Iamonlyhuman

Originally posted by KendraSins
Prove he was shoplifting and I am all on board.

If you really mean this, then shame on you for relinquishing your right to be judged in court, by and judge and/or jury. Do you really mean this? See my post above this one... Please answer the following questions:

This man deserved to be judged by the police? Why, then, do we have courts and judges and juries? Is this the extent of his "sentence" then? Can the police release this man now, since they sentenced him to beatings and he served his sentence?

I am not sure what you think I said. I am in no position to sentence or punish this man even if it were PROVEN that he were in comission of a crime, which I doubt is going to be possible at all anyway. I hope you know that my proven and your proven probably fall along the same lines. I am not a judge so I am not sure what you are worried about with my statement.

Originally posted by Iamonlyhuman

"There's a whole other side to this story that wasn't videotaped," Hall said. "There is nothing, on the surface, (that) deems our officer acted inappropriate at this time."

Yeah, RIGHT! Suuuurre.

edit on 26/11/2011 by Iamonlyhuman because: (no reason given)

OIC.... Major police activity and physical altercations happening right there in the middle of the store...and they're suggesting the magic justification for the bloody man was 'missed' by overhead security? I suppose there was just so much going on that far more interesting things were happening for security to watch than this old man getting owned by the local Police Department.

Oh I don't buy that. I agree with your last short few words... It sums it up quite nicely. Buckeye may have some explaining to do...and so does a certain store manager on behalf of his security video people and equipment. If they missed it...ummm. WHY was it missed? Security have explaining to do too. Hmmm

Originally posted by brindle
Its just a little blood,its good to bleed ,it produces new blood cells,which in turn makes you healthier,thanks police for helping this man to create more blood cells.

You're not right.
Second line

reply to post by KendraSins


I took "Prove he was shoplifting and I am all on board." to mean that it was ok with you, if he was shoplifting, for the police officers to slam his head into the floor.

When did intent to commit a crime become a crime?

Originally posted by Evolutionsend
reply to post by Iamonlyhuman

 

His sentence should be 20 hours of common sense class. But he's an old guy. Old guys are always right.

Don't blame the guy walking into the street blindly, blame the bus.

edit on 26-11-2011 by Evolutionsend because: (no reason given)

This is another front runner for retarded post of the year. Nice touch...