Living Ideas: Memes, Thoughtforms and Dreams as Conscious Entities.

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posted on Nov, 26 2011 @ 07:30 AM
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Can a thought or an idea possess a conscious all of its own? Can a thought live, evolve and reproduce through its hosts?

 


We’re all aware of internet memes, but the concept was around long before anybody regularly used computers, let alone the internet. The idea of ideas as being a unit of social evolution was first thought of back in the 1900s and presented itself a number of times in literature before becoming popularized by Dawkins in ‘The Selfish Gene’, and finally coming into its own as the internet moved out of the realm of the military and universities and into the homes of everyday people.

Author Malcolm Gladwell wrote, "A meme is an idea that behaves like a virus--that moves through a population, taking hold in each person it infects." Memes can replicate vertically or horizontally within a single biological generation. They may also lie dormant for long periods of time. Memes spread by the behaviors that they generate in their hosts. Imitation counts as an important characteristic in the propagation of memes. But any idea which spreads can be termed a meme - fashion, popular music, or new ways of thinking are all examples.




A meme acts as a unit for carrying cultural ideas, symbols or practices, which can be transmitted from one mind to another through writing, speech, gestures, rituals or other imitable phenomena. Supporters of the concept regard memes as cultural analogues to genes in that they self-replicate, mutate and respond to selective pressures.

The word 'meme' was coined by the British evolutionary biologist Richard Dawkins in The Selfish Gene (1976) as a concept for discussion of evolutionary principles in explaining the spread of ideas and cultural phenomena. Examples of memes given in the book included melodies, catch-phrases, fashion and the technology of building arches.

Advocates of the meme idea say that memes may evolve by natural selection in a manner analogous to that of biological evolution. Memes do this through the processes of variation, mutation, competition and inheritance, each of which influence a meme's reproductive success.
Memes spread through the behaviors that they generate in their hosts. Memes that propagate less prolifically may become extinct, while others may survive, spread and (for better or for worse) mutate. Memes that replicate most effectively


Above shows how thoughts and ideas can spread through minds like a virus through the office on Monday. But can our thoughts form a consciousness all on their own? Is it possible that these ideas themselves become entities, possessing some semblance of independent will in order to further propagate themselves into other minds in order to continue their existence?

The thoughtform is a concept known quite well known in paganism, also known as the Tulpa in Tibetan Mysticism. It is the creation of semi-conscious noncorporeal entity, a manifestation of mental energy created to carry out a task, protect something, or often for some other reason. Many many moons ago back in my pagan days I myself was involved in the creation of a thoughtform made in order to protect an area which was special to us from vandalism and misuse by the local kids. I know for a fact that it is still present, and the area still remains undisturbed despite being only a kilometre or so in the forest near a large housing estate, even after nearly a decade after its initial creation. A thoughtform itself can be purposefully created by the practitioner, or it can be an indirect manifestation of an individual or groups psychic energy. When these emotions are extreme or negative they can take the form of ghosts or poltergeists, and can be present long after its creator has passed away.



And finally there’s the idea that we ourselves are merely individual thoughts from the Ultimate Source. That there is only one infinite being, having infinite dreams of being infinite lives. If we ourselves are ultimately the dreamer, the great thinker whose mind puts the star in their orbits and the moon on its course, if it is indeed our mind that has manifested the universe around us, is it really a small leap to say we can can create a consciousness completely 'independent' to that of our own on this plane of illusion?


……..just some thoughts to ponder























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posted on Nov, 26 2011 @ 08:01 AM
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good work... This has been proved by Soviet psychotronic research that ideas are essentially servitors.

You could refer to Slavonic book of Enoch on this.



posted on Nov, 26 2011 @ 08:03 AM
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Me thinks NO!!! Anything thats not either received by the sensors or perceived via the sensors from the outside world can never in my view be reality thus not CE's!

But I could be wrong! NOT!!

I think this is another waste of thread space and ATS members time.

Sorry!



posted on Nov, 26 2011 @ 08:04 AM
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research on servitors .



posted on Nov, 26 2011 @ 08:06 AM
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Originally posted by USAisdevil
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research on servitors .


I am familiar with the idea but beyond sceptical as far as the meat is concerned!! But I could be wrong! Again NOT and most definately NOT!!

Its for me an extreme form of tosh!!!
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posted on Nov, 26 2011 @ 08:10 AM
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yes I was an atheist till the serb civil war started.The pain of having my family killed by NATO sponsored puppets activated my clairaudience effectively.



posted on Nov, 26 2011 @ 08:18 AM
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Originally posted by USAisdevil
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yes I was an atheist till the serb civil war started.The pain of having my family killed by NATO sponsored puppets activated my clairaudience effectively.



The general reasons im an Atheist are based on science and common sense. My personal reasons are not for public consumption because they are beyond even your comprehension and experience!

Sorry for your loss! We will in a harsh unforgiving world! Believe me!!!

Still no such thing as servitors in my life experienced opinion!!!



posted on Nov, 26 2011 @ 08:24 AM
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Originally posted by RP2SticksOfDynamite

Originally posted by USAisdevil
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yes I was an atheist till the serb civil war started.The pain of having my family killed by NATO sponsored puppets activated my clairaudience effectively.



The general reasons im an Atheist are based on science and common sense. My personal reasons are not for public consumption because they are beyond even your comprehension and experience!

Sorry for your loss! We will in a harsh unforgiving world! Believe me!!!

Still no such thing as servitors in my life experienced opinion!!!


I understand sir, even i was atheist too.

But if you are interested ,research on pendulums...current sciences are very flawed and discount torsion fields .



Pendulums have also had their share of controversy throughout history. During the Cold War in the 1960's, American dowser Verne Cameron was invited by the government of South Africa to use his pendulum to help them locate their country's precious natural resources, but he was denied a passport by the U.S. government. A few years earlier, he had demonstrated his special dowsing talent to the U.S. Navy, successfully map dowsing (locating on a map) every submarine in the Navy's fleet. He shocked Navy officials by not only locating every American submarine, but also every Russian submarine in the world. Afterwards, the CIA determined that Cameron was a risk to national security, and he was forbidden to leave the United States. Just as radios pick up information from unseen radio waves, the pendulum is a powerful antenna that receives information from the vibrations and energy waves emitted by people, places, thoughts and things.

www.pendulums.com...

I understand you are skeptical so take your time and research on ESP and use of pendulums for oil and gas and military purposes.

and do it with a skeptic bias. It will reveal.Anyways if you are further interested i will discuss on this issue.



posted on Nov, 26 2011 @ 08:31 AM
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Originally posted by RP2SticksOfDynamite

Me thinks NO!!! Anything thats not either received by the sensors or perceived via the sensors from the outside world can never in my view be reality thus not CE's!

But I could be wrong! NOT!!

I think this is another waste of thread space and ATS members time.

Sorry!


This is the psychology and metaphysics forum dude, maybe next time instead of presenting a serious philosophical concept I'll just post another 'we are all one and enlightenment is the key' thread just for you.
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posted on Nov, 26 2011 @ 08:37 AM
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without person experiencing it is impossible to explain to others.He needs to see ESP and that is why I recommended he researches on pendulum and gives it a try.

So don't attack him for his beliefs.



posted on Nov, 26 2011 @ 08:47 AM
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Originally posted by 1littlewolf

Originally posted by RP2SticksOfDynamite

Me thinks NO!!! Anything thats not either received by the sensors or perceived via the sensors from the outside world can never in my view be reality thus not CE's!

But I could be wrong! NOT!!

I think this is another waste of thread space and ATS members time.

Sorry!


This is the psychology and metaphysics forum dude, maybe next time instead of presenting a serious philosophical concept I'll just post another 'we are all and enlightenment is the key' thread just for you.


Im not a dude nor a baby!! That would be most kind of you!! But dont go to all that trouble just for one sole ATS member. Give some valuable thought and apply as much common sense as you can muster in order to convince folk that so called servitors have anything whatsover to do with the truth or reality!!! I doubt you studied psychology. If you had you would understand me and more!!!
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posted on Nov, 26 2011 @ 08:54 AM
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Originally posted by USAisdevil
reply to post by 1littlewolf
 


without person experiencing it is impossible to explain to others.He needs to see ESP and that is why I recommended he researches on pendulum and gives it a try.

So don't attack him for his beliefs.


Yeah you're right, been a long day.
Cheers for the referrals btw. I've skimmed the book of Enoch but never looked to much in detail. And I've only ever heard rumours about the Soviet psychotronic research. Will definitely have to look into it a little further.
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posted on Nov, 26 2011 @ 09:12 AM
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Wisdom is not something that always comes naturally if at all. But if it present then dont ignore or fear it for it is yours and others guardian!!!



posted on Nov, 26 2011 @ 11:45 AM
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I like your idea; I think it comes down to whether or not you value the 'mental-world' as 'real'. Some people don't but I tend to.
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posted on Nov, 26 2011 @ 12:59 PM
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normally it is through penance or blessings.But with technomancy,i mean torsional technology it can be achieved much faster .But it can lead to insanity or higher astral attack as the abilities are not achieved through merit.



posted on Nov, 26 2011 @ 01:47 PM
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Originally posted by USAisdevil
reply to post by RP2SticksOfDynamite
 


normally it is through penance or blessings.But with technomancy,i mean torsional technology it can be achieved much faster .But it can lead to insanity or higher astral attack as the abilities are not achieved through merit.



Hi

Just wondered what you mean by this concept of torsional technology?



posted on Nov, 26 2011 @ 02:05 PM
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psychotronic manipulation of epigenetics and the perispirit.



posted on Nov, 26 2011 @ 02:14 PM
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reply to post by 1littlewolf
 


If the world is a manifest of conscious energy then your idea makes more sense...



posted on Nov, 26 2011 @ 03:33 PM
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Originally posted by USAisdevil
reply to post by stellify
 


psychotronic manipulation of epigenetics and the perispirit.



Any chance of you starting a thread on this interesting subject?



posted on Nov, 27 2011 @ 09:18 PM
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Originally posted by Shepp
I like your idea; I think it comes down to whether or not you value the 'mental-world' as 'real'. Some people don't but I tend to.


To true, but if you think about it the mental world is ultimately all we have. Do you really think the sky is 'blue', or that the ice cream actually tastes like 'chocolate'. Ultimately everything we percieve is merely the brain decoding electrical impulses from our nerves. And when you consider our that our senses are merely tools with their own limitations, the outer world is indeed very subjective.





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