reply to post by theovermensch
i appreciate the conversation and thank you for continuing.
regarding the TP -> they began as a movement
with a right idea ... taxed enough already.
they grew, they lacked leadership, they were co-opted (sold-out) and divided into about (a numerical guess here) two dozen groups and one emerged
politically [Tea Party Patriots]. (that's what i mean about not knowing how and why they got to where they are today - which has had minimal effect
Many members of the TP movement, moved elsewhere when the Patriots came to the fore-front, just like what is happening with much of OWS these days.
(btw, many TP supporters still hold the same values that drew them to the movement, but the Patriots are far more extreme in their direction, hence
the change of support)
i agree talking about politics is a necessary thing but i wish we were discussing more topics like which amendments need repealed (i can think of 10
of em) and how to properly pressure our Reps to get r'done.
more conversation about what would emerge IF this two-faced coin were tossed.
ppl want to talk about we need
change and i'd agree but i don't think this current 'movement' is leading anywhere near the right
[and, with more threats of violence, i wonder ... when will we learn to build without destroying something first?]
please don't misunderstand, in the early days, i had high hopes for the OWS but watching it evolve as many before have, it tends to leave me in
i like RP for a lot of reasons and i dislike him for a lot of reasons but then again, that's politics.
personally, i think he's being used to guarantee Obama another term.
(us old farts have seen it done before)
if you don't understand how, please ask rather simply dismiss the idea.
i can tell you many TPers vote their conscience
whichever party and candidate fits the bill.
some Democrat, some Republican and many vote Independent (again depending on the candidate).
i can also tell you that i'm personally familiar with another candidate (not recommending this person mind you) who i'd bet you've never even heard
of and she's a legal candidate. have you even heard of
my point is, we the ppl have become so wrapped up in the "race", no one is driving the bus.
no one is demanding the mistakes of yesterday be corrected.
no one is pushing the legislatures to do their job, instead we're begging them for one ??
this country has been on auto-pilot for far tooooo long.
look, i see both parties in the same light (and a dim one at that).
a movement of the ppl is a grand thing and more of it is needed imho, but, once that movement has been co-opted, it is absorbed
ongoing political machine. It happened to the TP with the Republicans and it is happening to OWS with the Democrats ... so, what has really
Until whomever, wherever has the success of eliminating the Fed Reserve (and the Central banking system), we are doomed to run in circles like a
hamster in his wheel, going nowhere fast.
all the small stuff will continue to get bigger until the giant falls, it really is that simple.
Valiant persons have tried and failed and i'm sure we'll try again but, OWS doesn't even wanna get it done. (and i'm pretty sure their financiers
wouldn't allow it anyway)
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