US/China and Pakistan. No False Flag needed!

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posted on Nov, 26 2011 @ 07:32 AM
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So if an attack on Pakistan is an attack on china then NATO just attacked china. They just blew away upwards of 30 Pakistani military with a helicopter today.

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posted on Nov, 26 2011 @ 07:35 AM
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Already covered on the previous page.





posted on Nov, 26 2011 @ 07:36 AM
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reply to post by Fractured.Facade
 


Whatever.

I only read the first page ever. Lol



posted on Nov, 26 2011 @ 07:39 AM
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reply to post by metaldemon2000
 


That's too bad... Most of the good stuff on ATS often happens pages into a good thread.

Never know what you could be missing, if you never check it out.



posted on Nov, 26 2011 @ 07:47 AM
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I think you should send this special report to as many Chinese officials as you can. My two cents. They have email right?



posted on Nov, 26 2011 @ 07:49 AM
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It looks like Pakistan is stepping up the rhetoric already, they have called an emergency meeting of the cabinet:


Pakistan outrage after 'Nato attack kills soldiers'

Pakistani officials have responded with fury to an apparent attack by Nato helicopters on an Afghan border checkpoint they say killed 26 soldiers.


Now we just need to wait and see what China has to say.



posted on Nov, 26 2011 @ 07:53 AM
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reply to post by Corruption Exposed
 


I bet they're burning up the phone lines to Beijing right now as well.

It's time to call them both out, in a major way, and stop playing games.... All or nothing.


IMO



posted on Nov, 26 2011 @ 07:55 AM
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This will be the nail in the coffin for us-Pakistan relations.

One has to wonder. Has china taken a page from the us military handbook on false flags and created one of their own??? Just paint a NATO logo on a helicopter and go trigger happy in Pakistan???



posted on Nov, 26 2011 @ 08:00 AM
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Just found a ``poll``...

US 'bigger enemy' than India for Pakistan: Imran Khan

The US is now perceived as a "bigger enemy" in Pakistan than India, cricketer-turned- politician Imran Khan has said, while voicing concern that his country is "petrified" it could be bombed every time a terror attack takes place in India, US or Europe.

Addressing a gathering of students at Columbia Journalism School here, Khan said thanks to the American policy in Pakistan, a majority of Pakistanis now perceive US to be a bigger enemy than India.

"What the American policy has achieved in Pakistan is something which is almost impossible to imagine. About 80 per cent of Pakistanis perceive US to be a bigger enemy than Indians" even though Pakistan and India have fought four wars, he said.

"Today America is perceived as a bigger enemy, yet we are supposed to be allies."

And that was published a few days ago... with the recent killing of 28 Pakistani soldiers, you betcha it ``confirmed`` their belief that America is the greatest threat to Pakistan, not India.



posted on Nov, 26 2011 @ 08:06 AM
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reply to post by Vitchilo
 


America has been the enemy of most nations since ww2 aside from the countries it was allied with.

And I don't blame them. America is the kid at school who is most likely to bring a gun and blow away his classmates.



posted on Nov, 26 2011 @ 08:55 AM
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Originally posted by metaldemon2000
America is the kid at school who is most likely to bring a gun and blow away his classmates.


Wrong America is the School.

Everyone else are either faculty, or students...


It's time to bring back corporal punishment to the classroom, before the students get completely out of control, and innocents get hurt.




posted on Nov, 26 2011 @ 09:02 AM
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Corporal punishment? How about pepper spray?


or "don't taze me bro!"

I like the school analogy.



posted on Nov, 26 2011 @ 09:02 AM
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reply to post by Corruption Exposed
 


Mistake?

No, Not really. but old information. I hadn't realize just how far south Pakistanis opinion of US action had gone down in the last 2 years or so. I had read something from 2008/2009


It seems our Nobel Peace Prize winner hasn't lived up to his reputation is all with the increase of drone attacks.



posted on Nov, 26 2011 @ 09:13 AM
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Originally posted by Fractured.Facade
Time for Pakistan and China to show their true colors.

An attack on Pakistan is an attack on China eh?

Well, Pakistan has been attacked, anyone hearing sirens or seeing mushroom clouds yet?



Actually that's two fallacies down.

1. The US never attacks a Nuclear armed country

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2. If the US attacks Pakistan it's an attack on China

Meanwhile the US has been attacking targets in Pakistan the whole time...



posted on Nov, 26 2011 @ 09:27 AM
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We've been "pussyfooting" around in Pakistan for a very long time, true, and we had to go in there secretly to get Bin Laden, in what is presumably allied territory (Pakistan) in this war, to find that they had been providing safe-haven for the enemies we are fighting, and covertly aiding them in the war in Afghanistan.

Pakistan hasn't been directly "attacked" by the USA, and this NATO raid may not be "it" but it is a good start.

They just need to finish the job this time.

IMO



posted on Nov, 26 2011 @ 09:27 AM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
Maybe China would like to overcome India in it's quest for domination. Once upon a time India had famously well-trained soldiers called Ksatriya warriors. The Ksatriyas had interesting techniques such as spikes on their fingers. They would shoot bows from atop a horse. I have a book describing some of these things and their code of honor. It is called The Bodhisattva Warriors, interestingly really about the Shaolin monks, but it goes into an interesting history of Ksatriya as well.
I once had an odd encounter with an Indian policeman on the banks of the Ganges....hahaha he likely was amused by the muddied American girl floundering alone in 35 degree weather at 4 am on a muddy bank with boots in tow. He was quite polite and asked if I needed help.


Well I came across this rather interesting article. I'll let it speak for itself.
But, consider the source so...

India's China anxiety an ‘inferiority complex,' says Xinhua

India's “jitters” and fears of encirclement by Chinese influence in South Asia reflected an “inferiority complex” and “loud jealousy” over China's rise, State-run Xinhua news agency said in a commentary on Thursday.

India was “living under the delusion that China lays out a strategic chessboard to lock up and contain India,” said the commentary, the latest of a series of editorials in China's State media outlets that have taken a hard line on India following disagreements over ONGC Videsh's cooperation with Vietnam in the disputed South China Sea.

While it struck a similar tone voiced by a number of Communist Party-run papers in recent weeks



posted on Nov, 26 2011 @ 09:43 AM
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Originally posted by Misoir
What the West/China need to do is go to the table with the Pakistani government, demand international ‘auditing’ of the Pakistani ISI before any more money is given to the country, and watch them try to squirm out of their seats. India knows how corrupt and barbaric these people are, the West just figured that out when Bin Laden was found not too far away from a Pakistani military base, and China will learn after they have a separatist war on their hands with their enemies being financed with money which they gave to Pakistan.



Well that cats out of the bag.
Here are a few view points. Again consider the sources...

China blames weekend's clashes in Xinjiang on separatists trained in Pakistan

The Chinese government blamed the local Muslim minority for weekend violence in the northwestern province of Xinjiang (see map) that left at least 18 people dead in three separate attacks. According to Chinese authorities, the suspects trained in camps over the Pakistan border.

In the city of Kashgar, where the attacks took place, tensions constantly simmer between the indigenous Muslim Uighur minority and the Chinese government. The Uighurs accuse the government of religious repression, "plundering" the region's oil resources, and bringing scores of ethnic Han Chinese to the region to give them a majority, the Wall Street Journal reports.


Chinese separatists receive campaign of 'patriotic eduction'

Communist leaders in China's north-western region of Xinjiang say they have dealt a serious blow to ethnic separatism. They acknowledged that ethnic unrest had unsettled the region during the past two years, but said a campaign of patriotic education had helped root out violent separatists.

The region has experienced sporadic unrest for the last two years, and anti-Chinese riots by members of the region's Muslim Uighur majority last year led to a round of executions. These were followed by a series of bomb attacks in the region's capital.

Massive rectification campaign

Xinjiang Communist Party Secretary, Wang Lequan....



posted on Nov, 26 2011 @ 09:51 AM
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Originally posted by Corruption Exposed
reply to post by SLAYER69
 


Awesome thread star and flag!

This alliance is often overlooked, and deserves more attention. I was always suspicious of these two countries individually, but this following story kind of made me think:

China Gives Pakistan 50 Fighter Jets


Pakistan — China has agreed to immediately provide 50 JF-17 fighter jets to Pakistan, a major outcome of a visit by Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani to Beijing this week, Pakistani officials said Thursday.




Agreed.

I also came across this one between the US and India.

For you viewing pleasure.
India-US as Partners in Arms

"Today, US-India relations are strong and growing. Our military-to-military engagement has increased steadily over the past 10 years and now includes a robust slate of dialogues, military exercises, defence trade, personal exchanges and armaments cooperation," says the Defence Department’s (Pentagon) Deputy Assistant Secretary for South and Southeast Asia Bob Scher. He was briefing the media on the Pentagon's November 2011 Report to Congress on US-India Security Cooperation.

A major finding of the report is that the value of defence sales from the US to India has risen from zero to $6 billion in less than a decade.

Key Component

The India-US New Framework Agreement (2005) provides the structure for the bilateral defence relationship. Additional framework agreements guide developments in areas such as counterterrorism and maritime security.



posted on Nov, 26 2011 @ 10:02 AM
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Originally posted by Jakes51
The Pakistani nuke situation is the powder keg. One of those falls into the hands of extremists operating in Pakistan or extremists in western China and then we have a serious problem. Pakistan has some serious house cleaning to do. If they cannot reasonably address the matter on their own? Then an outside force must intervene for the stability of the region and more or less the world? Personally, I don't care who does it. You name it China, the US, or even India could take the initiative for all I care. Better yet, they can join up. A loose nuke falling into the hands of extremists is a very real possibility?


Well India still has major issues over the Mumbai attack.

Just today as a matter of fact they reiterated their demands for action by the Pakistani Government. Somebody should tell India not to hold it's breath...

India demands Pakistan action against Mumbai attackers

NEW DELHI: India told Pakistan Saturday it was awaiting “decisive” action against the perpetrators of the 2008 Mumbai attacks as the country marked the third anniversary of the carnage that claimed 166 lives.

The 2008 attacks in Mumbai saw 10 heavily armed gunmen storm a host of targets including luxury hotels, a Jewish centre and a train station.

“We are still waiting for Pakistan to act decisively to bring to justice the perpetrators of the mindless violence that was unleashed on Mumbai,” Indian Foreign Minister SM Krishna told reporters in New Delhi.



posted on Nov, 26 2011 @ 10:17 AM
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No doubt those Pakistani troops killed was ones directly aiding the Taliban troops coming back over the boarder after a well earned break or something of the likes?,

It certainly has to be something along those lines with out a shadow of a doubt, what makes me laugh is Pakistan are trying to act like they was innocent or something, they have probably watched them for miles with spy drones then as soon as they got to the boarder...


Oh hai Taliban welcome back to the war zone BOOOM! jobs a goodun





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