US/China and Pakistan. No False Flag needed!

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posted on Nov, 25 2011 @ 07:55 PM
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China won't be able to trust the Pakastainies succurity forces if there are religiouse fundementalist
inside of those security forces, the ISI will fund the urga up rising supply those forces with wepons
and training, in a larger attempt of extact recources out of china. Religiouse nut jobs are a perfect tool
for inteligence forces to use, they won't ask many questions, they are committed and they don't care
about the destruction they cause.




posted on Nov, 25 2011 @ 08:00 PM
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Originally posted by SLAYER69
Well with Pakistan and China becoming Buddy Buddy I wonder if India will attempt closer ties with the West?


Oddly enough, I have a friend from India who frequently travels there and around the region.

After returning from a recent trip I mentioned I had a desire to visit India and was depressed I could not afford to see Egypt before it became so volatile. He told me for sure go to India and that as an American I would be not only liked there, but would be treated really well and have a pleasant experience. Then he said don't even think of going to Egypt, you won't like how they treat you. That was just prior to the Egyptian uprising that I see is boiling over again today.

I think as far as the Indians themselves go they see us already as close allies in the world. If you read that PDF the relationship between China and India seems to be very fragile in comparison. On top of that radical Islam is not exactly a welcome guest there. In effect they are a Western country in a very uncomfortable position.

I've thought for over two decades now that the trigger for a potential global conflict would be between Pakistan and India and therefore also between India and China. The row of dominoes is obvious to me as each of those three spreads it's tentacles throughout the region.
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posted on Nov, 25 2011 @ 08:05 PM
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Funny you should say that I was just surfing related topics and came across this...
India abruptly puts off border talks with China

NEW DELHI: India took the unusual step of postponing boundary talks with China scheduled for next week. Though no reasons were given , sources hinted the decision was taken at the highest levels of the government . This is the first time in all these years that the boundary talks have been postponed.



posted on Nov, 25 2011 @ 08:08 PM
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Originally posted by Fractured.Facade
India may openly be moving toward stronger ties with the west, but they are more inclined to make a covert alliance with Russia. They share many common goals.


OK so India will covertly Allie with Russia but isn't Russia an Allie of China?

When was the Butler in the Library with a candlestick?



posted on Nov, 25 2011 @ 08:18 PM
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India closely aligning with the west makes sense. Where did the customer service jobs get outsourced to again? I think that it's because the people can easily identify with each other between the US and India. A lot more similar than the peoples of China and India at least.



posted on Nov, 25 2011 @ 08:19 PM
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Complicated and convoluted relationships.

But really, its not new news.

www.google.com...

Actually it was the maid in the kitchen with a knife.

What goes on out of sight and behind closed doors is much more elusive and hard to prove.

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posted on Nov, 25 2011 @ 08:22 PM
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no it was colonel mustard in the parlor with the revolver...



posted on Nov, 25 2011 @ 08:24 PM
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Originally posted by Expat888
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no it was colonel mustard in the parlor with the revolver...


Dammit man, you always win.

You cheat!



posted on Nov, 25 2011 @ 09:29 PM
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China has rattled sabers at Taiwan, wanting to absorb it back into it's Communist empire. Whatever happens, I support a free Taiwan and a free Tibet. Chinese communists destroyed temples in Tibet. I remember reading about that sometime in the 90's.
China I don't wanna mess with though. I feel that their alliance with Russia and Iran is a dangerous one, and dangerous to the free world.
Lately a lot of people have bashed America, but what's it to be folks? A communist world or a free world?



posted on Nov, 25 2011 @ 09:37 PM
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Originally posted by SLAYER69
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Funny you should say that I was just surfing related topics and came across this...
India abruptly puts off border talks with China

NEW DELHI: India took the unusual step of postponing boundary talks with China scheduled for next week. Though no reasons were given , sources hinted the decision was taken at the highest levels of the government . This is the first time in all these years that the boundary talks have been postponed.



Nice find
I posted that article in a reply to you on page 2


You might have missed it.

Your source is different though.
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posted on Nov, 25 2011 @ 09:41 PM
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Originally posted by hangedman13
India closely aligning with the west makes sense. Where did the customer service jobs get outsourced to again? I think that it's because the people can easily identify with each other between the US and India. A lot more similar than the peoples of China and India at least.



When I was in India for the Millenium festival, I stayed with some people in New Delhi, and the lady of the apartment I stayed in insisted that Bush was going to start WWIII. They had ill feelings toward Bush. This was Jan of 2001 and 9-11 hadn't even happened yet. I don't think India has truly favorable opinions of the US. And they have a bad history with Britain, which may be one reason they might go with Russia. I believe I heard once that Indira Ghandi was flirting with Socialism. India being closer to Russia, it would be hard for them to ally with America without some kind of major reason.

Yah, the whole outsourcing thing is frustrating. The multi nationals are padded from the effects of such shaky alliances. That is one reason Dell is a good tech company to work with, unless they have also changed their policy and outsourced.
Still some of the best doctors come from India to the US to train, and they do enhance the landscape here. Make friends with Pakistan and make India mad. Make friends with India and make Russia jealous....
Pakistan is not exactly trustworthy, but like Egypt was able to be bribed for a time. What countries will do for money. But now look what has happened to Egypt. Will Egypt be friendly to the US and Israel now that this revolution has been going on?



posted on Nov, 25 2011 @ 09:58 PM
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oops.

I totally missed your post somehow.



posted on Nov, 25 2011 @ 10:08 PM
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Originally posted by SLAYER69
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Funny you should say that I was just surfing related topics and came across this...
India abruptly puts off border talks with China

NEW DELHI: India took the unusual step of postponing boundary talks with China scheduled for next week. Though no reasons were given , sources hinted the decision was taken at the highest levels of the government . This is the first time in all these years that the boundary talks have been postponed.




Maybe China would like to overcome India in it's quest for domination. Once upon a time India had famously well-trained soldiers called Ksatriya warriors. The Ksatriyas had interesting techniques such as spikes on their fingers. They would shoot bows from atop a horse. I have a book describing some of these things and their code of honor. It is called The Bodhisattva Warriors, interestingly really about the Shaolin monks, but it goes into an interesting history of Ksatriya as well.
I once had an odd encounter with an Indian policeman on the banks of the Ganges....hahaha he likely was amused by the muddied American girl floundering alone in 35 degree weather at 4 am on a muddy bank with boots in tow. He was quite polite and asked if I needed help.



posted on Nov, 25 2011 @ 10:19 PM
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Originally posted by SLAYER69
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I'm not sure if you've seen this thread or not?
The Americas, Not the Middle East, Will Be the World Capital of Energy

For half a century, the global energy supply's center of gravity has been the Middle East. This fact has had self-evidently enormous implications for the world we live in -- and it's about to change.

By the 2020s, the capital of energy will likely have shifted back to the Western Hemisphere, where it was prior to the ascendancy of Middle Eastern megasuppliers such as Saudi Arabia and Kuwait in the 1960s. The reasons for this shift are partly technological and partly political. Geologists have long known that the Americas are home to plentiful hydrocarbons trapped in hard-to-reach offshore




But since the early 2000s, the energy industry has largely solved that problem. With the help of horizontal drilling and other innovations, shale gas production in the United States has skyrocketed from virtually nothing to 15 to 20 percent of the U.S. natural gas supply in less than a decade. By 2040, it could account for more than half of it. This tremendous change in volume has turned the conversation in the U.S. natural gas industry on its head; where Americans once fretted about meeting the country's natural gas needs, they now worry about finding potential buyers for the country's surplus.

Meanwhile, onshore oil production in the United States, condemned to predictions of inexorable decline by analysts for two decades, is about to stage an unexpected comeback. Oil production from shale rock, a technically complex process of squeezing hydrocarbons from sedimentary deposits, is just beginning. But analysts are predicting production of as much as 1.5 million barrels a day in the next few years from resources beneath the Great Plains and Texas alone -- the equivalent of 8 percent of current U.S. oil consumption. The development raises the question of what else the U.S. energy industry might accomplish if prices remain high and technology continues to advance. Rising recovery rates from old wells, for example, could also stem previous declines. On top of all this, analysts expect an additional 1 to 2 million barrels a day from the Gulf of Mexico now that drilling is resuming. Peak oil? Not anytime soon.




I always thought there was something fishy about them capping working oil wells and importing so much from other places at such expense. Perhaps the plan all along was to use up everybody else's supply first then become the monopoly.



posted on Nov, 25 2011 @ 10:38 PM
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I just wanted to thank everybody whop has contributed to a great discussion so far. Thanks for all the links and input.



posted on Nov, 25 2011 @ 10:53 PM
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My thoughts with all this garbage going on with Israel/Iran/U.S./Syria/Russia/Turkey/Egypt/N.Korea/S.Korea/Pakistan/China is that were are all about to go to hell, quite literally. The entire world seems like it's about to rip apart at the seams.

One word:

Armageddon.



posted on Nov, 25 2011 @ 10:59 PM
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For the less familiar with the region





posted on Nov, 25 2011 @ 11:46 PM
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I'm going to start using the layouts of your threads as a template for comparison when authoring mine.

VERY well done Slayer.

Now what does it all mean? What's a stronger word than trouble?

You know what? How about: How about the entire list of words we can not use on ATS. Yep, that is how I feel about this.



posted on Nov, 25 2011 @ 11:47 PM
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I've been to four of those colored countries on that map. No, not on vacations.



posted on Nov, 26 2011 @ 12:44 AM
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Pakistan is a threat to the whole world at this point while at the same time trying to be everyone’s ‘friend’. It is a nearly failed state with dozens of nuclear weapons, provides sanctuary for the terrorists whom the West wants to capture, now is doing the same with China, asks for financial aid in exchange for assistance, and then constantly betrays the ones who just paid them. How can they do all of this? No one wants the nuclear weapons to fall into the wrong hands.

I actually feel sorry for anyone having to even deal with these people from Pakistan, they are extortionists and liars. The Pakistani ISI is by far the dirtiest group in all of Pakistan, they received funds from the CIA back in the 1980s to fight the Soviets then used that same money to train the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan in guerrilla warfare, terrorism, and begun the first teachings of radical political Islam.

China will soon learn what the West had learned after years of trying to find some common ground with them. When China shells out billions of dollars just to realize that same money is being used by the ISI to train Islamic extremists to help the separatists in Xinjiang Province they too will break off their friendship with that country.

What the West/China need to do is go to the table with the Pakistani government, demand international ‘auditing’ of the Pakistani ISI before any more money is given to the country, and watch them try to squirm out of their seats. India knows how corrupt and barbaric these people are, the West just figured that out when Bin Laden was found not too far away from a Pakistani military base, and China will learn after they have a separatist war on their hands with their enemies being financed with money which they gave to Pakistan.





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