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reply posted on 25-11-2011 @ 03:42 PM by OldCorp
Originally posted by beezzer
reply to
post by Kali74

Thanks for finding that.

Now my question. Why would the ACLU run such a hysterical piece?



Maybe a team of lawyers can decipher the legislation better than non-lawyers Beez. If it had come from anyone but the ACLU I would think twice. I don't always agree with their positions, but I don't see them making frivolous claims for no reason.


reply posted on 25-11-2011 @ 04:06 PM by rstregooski
reply to post by phishyblankwaters



The bill was drafted in secret by Sens. Carl Levin (D-Mich.) and John McCain (R-Ariz.) and passed in a closed-door committee meeting, without even a single hearing.






reply posted on 25-11-2011 @ 04:07 PM by Wolfenz
reply to post by phishyblankwaters




In a Few Words !

Take this!!

Patriot Act ( a Modified Version of the McCarran Internal Security Act )
Just take Out Communist and UN- American and Replace it with Terrorist
en.wikipedia.org...

And This !!!

Enabling Act of 1933 (Start of Nazi Germany )
en.wikipedia.org...

and This !!!!

New Use of those Already built un Occupied FEMA camps !!?

All Leading to the Prediction of a 1971 Movie by Peter Watkins Called!!

Punishment Park ! ! ! !!

Punishment Park
en.wikipedia.org...

The movie takes place in 1970. The Vietnam War is escalating and United States President Richard Nixon has just decided on a "secret" bombing campaign in Cambodia. Faced with a growing anti-war movement, President Nixon decrees a state of emergency based on the McCarran Internal Security Act of 1950, which authorizes federal authorities, without reference to Congress, to detain persons judged to be a "risk to internal security". Members from the anti-war movement, civil rights movement, feminist movement, conscientious objectors, and Communist party, mostly university students, are arrested and face an emergency tribunal made up of community members.

With state and federal jails at their top capacity, the convicted face the option of spending their full conviction time in federal prison or three days at Punishment Park. There, they will have to traverse 53 miles of the hot California desert in three days, without water or food, while being chased by National Guardsmen and law enforcement officers as part of their field training. If they succeed and reach the American flag at the end of the course, they will be set free. If they fail by getting "arrested", they will serve the remainder of their sentence in federal prison.[2]


40 YEARS AGO!!! This Movie Was MADE!! but was Highly Criticized by Hollywood !
an not distributed much in theaters because of it


Punishment park (1971) trailer


Punishment Park


3 Reasons: Punishment Park - Criterion Consideration



Punishment park



The Full Movie in All it Glory ( Watch it before its Down )

The Beginning of the Movie Intro Sounds SO Familiar !

Punishment Park 1:27:19 min





edit on 25-11-2011 by Wolfenz because: opps 1970 i ment 1971



reply posted on 25-11-2011 @ 04:18 PM by Kali74
reply to post by OldCorp



I am concerned about this, I didn't mean to seem to dismissive it's just I have seen a hysterical reaction of bills, laws and executive orders on ATS before lol. I don't understand why the ACLU is making this position unless they've opened up for any old person (read non-lawyer) to blog and then not hold them accountable for what is written on their site. There's sections missing from the pdf and the online text of the NDAA.

I'm worried, but not packing my bug-out bag nor going to apply for a firearm license. One thing for sure though, if our government ever goes this route, I will die as a rebel.


reply posted on 25-11-2011 @ 04:19 PM by beezzer
reply to post by OldCorp

When there are posts such as this one, I try to take my time, analyse my response, anticipate others responses, etc.

After reading this, bringing in Awar whats-his-name, looking at the absolute worse that DC can and does manipulate wording and laws, I find myself agreeing with the OP, and posters like yourself.
(in my wee little head, I kept losing the debate)

If there is a way that they could manipulate the law, using teams of lawyers to find justification (as in Anwar . . . case) then they could find the same justification . . . . say in the Oath Keepers, or any other group that does not agree with the current policy of any given adminisration.

And to that, I'd have to say. . . .

Bring it.


reply posted on 25-11-2011 @ 04:31 PM by Rossa
And what is to stop them from comitting the same outrageous things that Hitler Did before WWII.

Yes, the quote below is from Wikipedia, but you get the thought hopefully.

"The Night of the Long Knives represented a triumph for Hitler, and a turning point for the German government. It established Hitler as "the supreme judge of the German people", as he put it in his July 13 speech to the Reichstag. Later, in April 1942, Hitler would formally adopt this title, thus placing himself de jure as well as de facto above the reach of the law. Centuries of jurisprudence proscribing extra-judicial killings were swept aside. Despite some initial efforts by local prosecutors to take legal action against those who carried out the murders, which the regime rapidly quashed, it appeared that no law would constrain Hitler in his use of power.[74] The Night of the Long Knives also sent a clear message to the public that even the most prominent Germans were not immune to arrest or even summary execution should the Nazi regime perceive them as a threat. In this manner, the purge established a pattern of violence that would characterise the Nazi regime: the use of force to establish an empire."

Is this what we are waiting for? I wonder so recent of late I have seen our government do things that would have made our forefathers turn over in thier graves, and now this!

Oh this so has to stop NOW. Before we see a repeat of Hitlers Germany, remember this you will be telling your grandchildren about it someday, if we survive this that is.
My thought is only horror.


reply posted on 25-11-2011 @ 04:36 PM by Thermo Klein
Whenever I see things like what's linked in the OP I have learned to ALWAYS check the source, verify the accuracy and validity, and not stop until I read the words on the .gov website... this is the real deal!

(2) A person who was a part of or substantially supported al-Qaeda, the Taliban, or associated forces that are engaged in hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners, including any person who has committed a belligerent act or has directly supported such hostilities in aid of such enemy forces.

from
GPO.gov Senate Bill 1867; subtitle D - Detainee Matters; s. 1031 (b) (2) ; p. 360

What does this mean?
because of the many "or" separators placed in this paragraph it means that ANY person in the world who has acted in a belligerent manner may be placed in detention for an indefinite amount of time.

Belligerent (Adjective): Hostile and aggressive.

If this Bill passes, any person in the entire world who acts hostile or aggressive may be imprisoned for life.

Sieg Heil, America!



WHAT CAN WE DO???
We can tell EVERY AMERICAN WE KNOW to call, write, email their "Representative" and tell them to read the section named above!
(although some of the above remarks about tar n feather sound much more satisfying!)


edit on 25-11-2011 by Thermo Klein because: (no reason given)



reply posted on 25-11-2011 @ 04:53 PM by Wolfenz
Originally posted by Rossa
And what is to stop them from comitting the same outrageous things that Hitler Did before WWII.

Yes, the quote below is from Wikipedia, but you get the thought hopefully.

"The Night of the Long Knives represented a triumph for Hitler, and a turning point for the German government. It established Hitler as "the supreme judge of the German people", as he put it in his July 13 speech to the Reichstag. Later, in April 1942, Hitler would formally adopt this title, thus placing himself de jure as well as de facto above the reach of the law. Centuries of jurisprudence proscribing extra-judicial killings were swept aside. Despite some initial efforts by local prosecutors to take legal action against those who carried out the murders, which the regime rapidly quashed, it appeared that no law would constrain Hitler in his use of power.[74] The Night of the Long Knives also sent a clear message to the public that even the most prominent Germans were not immune to arrest or even summary execution should the Nazi regime perceive them as a threat. In this manner, the purge established a pattern of violence that would characterise the Nazi regime: the use of force to establish an empire."

Is this what we are waiting for? I wonder so recent of late I have seen our government do things that would have made our forefathers turn over in thier graves, and now this!

Oh this so has to stop NOW. Before we see a repeat of Hitlers Germany, remember this you will be telling your grandchildren about it someday, if we survive this that is.
My thought is only horror.


After Reichstag.

Enabling Act of 1933

Much Like the Patriot Act! & the McCarren Act and this Coming claimed Bill


All Here from the Reichstag leading towards the Enabling Act of 1933
in this historical DocuDrama Clip watch it all to understand ! 1:20 Mark to 2:55 Mark !

but after watching this think of the Bush jr administration 911 , The Patriot Act and this Bill in discussion
Same # Different decade from the DocuDrama below and what Hitler Said you will see pretty muh the saem thing is Told in the Patriot Act in a Certain Degree

The Rise Of Evil - Reichstag Fire


Like the When He Said Privacy Rights in relation to Telephone and Postal communication are Revoked
Pretty much what Bush Said to

as i said same # Different era

Listen to the Speaker against Bush Patriot Act !
Bush gets owned


at 1.06 mark
Bush Said This
you said I Tap you Phones Im not going to Apologize from what i did .on the Tariffs Surveillance Program , If we are at War we Outta use tool as necessary within the Constitution on a Very Limited Basis a Program that is reviewed Constantly to ahh Protect US!! Not you and i have a Different agreement whats need to be Protected but you said would i Apologize for that The Answer is Absolutely NOT


edit on 25-11-2011 by Wolfenz because: (no reason given)
edit on 25-11-2011 by Wolfenz because: (no reason given)



reply posted on 25-11-2011 @ 04:55 PM by daynight42
reply to post by phishyblankwaters



The battlefield is in Washington! Pass this bill and use it to pull the corrupt pieces of brown crud out of their yard and put them in prison! The military is on the side of the people. They are on our side.

Pull the senators who support this out and throw them in the pen! They better be afraid! This is getting serious and there's nobody to protect them. They are fools and cowards!


reply posted on 25-11-2011 @ 05:00 PM by redrose123
reply to post by phishyblankwaters



If these Senators could hear themselves talk they would be saying WTH. They are either drinking too much of the water or eatinging to much of the GMO food or taking too much of those drugs they are brining into the country. If we had an actual police force or US military protecting the citizens they would lock these people up. They are definitely a danger to themselves and others.
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