Originally posted by Mcupobob
So the source you provided lead me to a blog and the blogs source was the Washington post and this bill sounds like nothing you're telling me.
The overall bill totals $663 billion and would authorize spending for military personnel, weapons systems and the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan
in the fiscal year that began Oct. 1. The committee had approved the bill in June but met behind closed doors Tuesday to cut about $21 billion to
fulfill new budget requirements.
edit on 11/25/2011 by Mcupobob because: (no reason given)
Thank you for providing
reason and calm reflection in an otherwise inflammatory thread.
I would recommend to all to do a little reading before jumping to conclusions.
Let's try some sanity folks, before we all grab our weapons and start shooting.
Giuseppe Garibaldi saw it coming. He was offered to lead the union troops against the confederates after having had great success in south America. He
would only agree if Lincoln declared the goal to be the liberation of the slaves nothing more nothing less. He saw the ruse that under the just war
against slavery, there was the objective to centralise power and control and refused. Now they even stop pretending.
edit on 25-11-2011 by
Cassius666 because: (no reason given)
If any other nation said they had this power in the US, it would be an act of war. So... isn't this a declaration of war by the US against its own
citizens? I'm seriously starting to feel that my taxes are funding a war against me now.
As long as the US-Americanos do not understand that there is absolute no difference
between me and a US-Gringo nothing will change because the way how to think
is sick and rotten inside the core,
how do the US Gringos accept that the US-Military can come to my House
(i am a Foreigner with two different Passes and Citizenship in a still foreign Country)
but only get alarmed when they are the next one in this anti-humanitarian Chain?
1933 started with Ignorance, this led to the Ramps of Auschwitz-Birkenau!!!
Martial law is perhaps the ultimate stomping of freedom. And yet, on September 30, 2006, Congress passed a provision in a 591-page bill that will
make it easy for President Bush to impose martial law in response to a terrorist “incident.” It also empowers him to effectively declare martial
law in response to what he or other federal officials label a shortfall of “public order” — whatever that means.
It took only a few paragraphs in a $500 billion, 591-page bill to raze one of the most important limits on federal power. Congress passed the
Insurrection Act in 1807 to severely restrict the president’s ability to deploy the military within the United States. The Posse Comitatus Act of
1878 tightened those restrictions, imposing a two-year prison sentence on anyone who used the military within the United States without the express
permission of Congress. (This act was passed after the depredations of the U.S. military throughout the Southern states during Reconstruction.)
But there is a loophole: Posse Comitatus is waived if the president invokes the Insurrection Act.
The Insurrection Act and Posse Comitatus Act aim to deter dictatorship while permitting a narrow window for the president to temporarily use the
military at home. But the 2006 reforms basically threw any concern about dictatorial abuses out the _
SEC. 1031. AUTHORITY TO DETAIN UNPRIVILEGED ENEMY BELLIGERENTS CAPTURED PURSUANT TO THE AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF MILITARY FORCE.
(a) In General- The Armed Forces of the United States are authorized to detain covered persons captured in the course of hostilities authorized by the
Authorization for Use of Military Force (Public Law 107-40) as unprivileged enemy belligerents pending disposition under the law of war.
(b) Covered Persons- A covered person under this section is any person, including but not limited to persons for whom detention is required under
section 1032, as follows:
(1) A person who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored those responsible
for those attacks.
(2) A person who was a part of or substantially supported al-Qaeda, the Taliban, or associated forces that are engaged in hostilities against the
United States or its coalition partners, including any person who has committed a belligerent act or has directly supported such hostilities in aid of
such enemy forces.
(c) Disposition Under Law of War- The disposition of a person under the law of war as described in subsection (a) may include the following:
(1) Long-term detention under the law of war without trial until the end of hostilities against the nations, organizations, and persons subject to
the Authorization for Use of Military Force.
(2) Trial under chapter 47A of title 10, United States Code (as amended by the Military Commissions Act of 2009 (title XVIII of Public Law
(3) Transfer for trial by an alternative court or competent tribunal having lawful jurisdiction.
(4) Transfer to the custody or control of the person's country of origin, any other foreign country, or any other foreign entity. (d) Constitutional Limitation on Applicability to United States Persons- The authority to detain a person under this section does not extend to
the detention of citizens or lawful resident aliens of the United States on the basis of conduct taking place within the United States except to the
extent permitted by the Constitution of the United States.
Suppose you need to have paperwork to make an current Modus Operandi legal,
Within their own shores,
Its been happening to anyone the US Military wants since 9/11 from every country and nationality in the world anyhow!
To allow it to be more open, expand its initial "experiment"
Allowing the local grunts to do it rather than 3 letter suits,
"Extraordinary Rendition" becomes National Defense Authorization Act!
Welcome to the worldview all Americans that the rest of the world has experienced for decades,
Getting much worse 9/11.
I applaud the outrage and implore all of the good people of the USA to oppose this,
I will not surprised to see lots of resistance to this in the USA, and rightly so, also a feeling of anger at this and the idea that American troops
can do this to you.
However they have many times already in history to Americans themselves in America. A big part of the rest of the world though has had this type of
behavior and treatment in their own lands to, by the American Military for a very long time.
So that anger and idea, fear even you feel at these proposals as and American has been the experience of millions of people around the world
Maybe now you know how it feels?
Well maybe when 5 pairs of size 12's kick in your door at 3 am?
Please consider this as an American, to better understand maybe why the rest of the world may seem to be "Anti-American" or even current and potential
"Enemies" or such like.
Be aware how easy it was to, do not forget how easy it is to kick in an Tee-pi door...?
It's not nice when it comes home to roost as such, but maybe a greater understanding lies within it, and even healing of old wounds, and caution on
wishing, funding, allowing and praising even their involvement elsewhere?
The recent experiences of the following such actions as this Act will allow, are described and shown below, soon then this could happen in America,
Just imagine now as things are changing quickly around us worldwide in a few months, in your house as you are now go to sleep, went on an OWS march a
few months ago forgot about it, or something such like to be on an "list" and WE ALL know how good American Intelligence is re WMD! and this happens
This will mean it comes homes to roost as said, to Americans living in America, Oh and I can tell you one thing for absolute certainty, they have been
compiling all sorts of "lists" esp since the..paperclip,,ahem 1940's.
History is the best teacher.
Below is a very shortened extract from an list of all US Military Actions worldwide. Therefore where at the least what this Bill proposes the forceful
arrest, detention with no charge, and being held against your will with no legal rights has been endured by these peoples and countries already for an
Why has it been ok up till now for an American tourist to be on holiday in an country and he is special or different, from the actual population of
that foreign country to be on Lear Jet at 4 am and being waterboarded by 6am? Or troops doing as the above video?
This is obviously then the point I want to make, the perceptional differences that have existed on all sides, through this comes wisdom on the nature
of the issue, we can then come closer and let the barriers down as the real elephant in the living room, is the same one in action in the above videos
images etc, as it seems the US and many other Western Governments we have an Conglomerate/Military structure running things and only now people are
becoming more aware of it.
Once we know we all have the same enemy, being this type of Military enforced Corporatocracy, with one very dominant player. As is being played out
across the Arab world as we speak now The Egyptians saying No again to it, then Mrs Akbar stops disliking Mr Smith, because the illusion and fear
based compliance mind control that Mr Smith is the "wicked infidel" becomes plainly not so, and in fact after seeing your own door kicked in you might
not think that Mrs Akbar in fact anymore is an "rag head" or is very likely to have semtex strapped to her baby either in the que at Mac D.
When enough people look at elephant in the living room, and tell it a few home basic truths about living in OUR homes, our lands:
You are too Big :-)
Cost Too Much
Dont want you Anymore now we realise we don't NEED you to keep us safe from pretend plane hijackers, or devils in the W.House et al
Enough...just enough already wannabee Nazi's !
They cant do it anymore.
Now I was going to add it but it was turning into 3 posts just for the list!
It seems like it doesn't apply to anyone protected by the Constitution.
I'm sure that will come as great comfort to Nasser al-Awlaki.
These people don't need no stinking laws. They write their own in the dead of night, and murder American citizens whenever it takes their fancy.
Obama is taking the Bush doctrine of preemption to a whole other level.
He never picked up a weapon, he was not a planner of any attacks, and there was no imminent threat to the US. There is no reason why he couldn't have
AT LEAST been charged with a crime before being killed. So much for the 5th Amendment.
Look, I have no love for that scumbag whatsoever, but what Obama did was unconstitutional. "NO PERSON shall be deprived of life, liberty, or property
without due process of law." Ring a bell? The "No person" part is pretty damned clear. It make NO exceptions for anything. As an American citizen,
he deserved a trial before being executed. Period.
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