Yeah, but when you go further back a lot of those genealogies are embellished to make a family look better; I know in my line, some errant work done by other people would have tied us to Swedish royalty, or something like that, but my aunt, a genealogist, disproved it all with her own work. It happens all the time, they even trace people back to Adam, but just because you have a list of begats does not mean it is entirely accurate, unless you can find corroborating documents to back it up, such as birth records, family documents, diaries, census records, marriage records, grave stones, etc.

oops duplicate post. Sorry folks.

ajmusicmedia--

I have my own genealogical work to also back this up.In fact, more than 25 years of my own research and that of my family. I would LOVE to see your own resource links for the information you are trying to present here. I truly don't believe that there would be a tomb with an effigy of the man on top of it, if he didn't actually exist. Those tombs cost alot of money back in the day, and you didn't put up one with an effigy unless you were someone darned important. I'm not buying what you are selling unless I see the facts. Please, prove me wrong. And if you read my post carefully, you will see that I did say that some of his life was fictionalized, but he did exist, with 20 kids of his own, although few were legitimate, and a huge family lineage. If you are saying he didn't exist, then neither did the rest of the folks listed. Many rulers lives were "larger than life" back then. I'd post my own info but the disc I have contains 7.75 megs of info on it. I think that's a bit much to post on here.



Peace
SK

I'm also a descendant of Fredrik. If you go back far enough...

What conspiracy? You craaaaazy. Eat my almonds.

And I'm a blood line descendent of Alexander through one of his mistresses. Does that mean I'm conspiring with royalty to rule the world?

They even related to Dracula

*Elizabeth II
*George VI
*Mary of Teck
*Francis, Duke of Teck
*Klaudia Rhédey de Kis-Rhéde
*Countess Ágnes Inczédy de Nagy-Várad
*Baron Gergely Inczédy de Nagy-Várad
*Baroness Ágnes Kendeffy de Malmoviz
*Katalin Kun de Osdola
*Kristina (Christiana) Racz de Galgo
*Peter (Petru) Racz de Galgo
*Adam Racz de Galgo
*Zamphira Logofat de Szazsebes (Female)
*Stanka (Stanca) Basarab of Wallachia (Female)
*Mircea "The Shepherd" (Voivode) of Wallachia (Male)
*Radu cel Mare Radu IV `the Great' (Voivode) of Wallachia
*Vlad Călugărul (half-brother to Vlad Dracula)
*Vlad II Dracul (father to Vlad Dracula)

"By Blood" is many many people after many generations. Well off families, nobility have had the ability to keep records, understand those records, and of course, lie about their records for quite a long time.

It sure makes it easier when your lines run into them. So much easier than trying to find records kept by parish priests.

People are overly amazed by these things. What is more interesting is that you can trace these connections in the royal families through multiple lines over and over. They drill down on a set of traits. This is the thing that is most astounding.

Many people can find these people in their lineages. More than are accounted for, since the rich have often had a taste for leaving unaccounted for bastards around.

So to give you a different perspective, I am just some woman. I can trace back to Knights Templar, Lady Godiva (31 Gr-grandmother), Alfred "The Great" King of England (35), and Seigbert Merovigian (37), John (Duke of Lancaster) Gaunt Plantagenet (19), Edward I of England "Long Shanks" "The Hammer" Plantagenet King (24) etc.

If I could shake the Vatican to give my families records, I think I could get the connection back I need on another line, I think I can trace back to Olaf the White or Ivar the Boneless or the men who came with them.

Being a 5th cousin 5x removed from President Grant made it much easier to trace my Simpson line, because people have already obsessively obtained the records.

The only awesome thing about it, is that they have good records. Some of these people claim the most extraordinary descent, and without some genetic back up or documentation which can be authenticated it is best to view these distant relationships with a jaundiced eye.

The bigger picture isn't that they can trace to some Caesar, it is that they consistently breed back into the same lines over and over. They must be doing a better job of tracking it in the last hundred years, they aren't stooped short misshapen ugly wierdos they were starting to turn into.

it dawns on me that if all but one of our presidents can be traced back to king john plantagenet, even obama, that means we can probably determine who will be next pres. if there are no repub candidates with johnny blood, guess who will be president again.

Outstanding.. S&F..

George W Bush, is also the 9th cousin to the royal british family...

Genealogy is meaningless. If you go back about 500 years, you become related to everyone on Earth. Look at the math. Go back 11 generations and you have over 20,000 relatives that it took to make you. Those are also related to everyone on Earth. You are at least a 6th cousin to everyone, of all races and nations on this planet.
That includes murderers, horse thiefs, assassins, etc.