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reply posted on 25-11-2011 @ 06:37 PM by kdog1982
Originally posted by IAMTAT
Originally posted by kdog1982
Just for a good reference and something to bookmark,ancient scripts from around the world.

www.ancientscripts.com...

Thank you; wonderful reference. Unfortunately, I'm not finding a match yet. Will definitely bookmark this.


What is really weird is the closest match I could come up with was from the pre-arabic cultures.

www.mnh.si.edu...

Or was that another thread?


reply posted on 25-11-2011 @ 07:11 PM by lonewolf19792000
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Can't tell you what it means but i can tell you what language it is. It's greek and by the looks of it, pretty old form of Mycenaen.


reply posted on 25-11-2011 @ 07:43 PM by IAMTAT
Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
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post by ArcAngel



Can't tell you what it means but i can tell you what language it is. It's greek and by the looks of it, pretty old form of Mycenaen.

Interesting. If Mycenaean...wouldn't that have to make it Linear B?



reply posted on 25-11-2011 @ 08:01 PM by IAMTAT
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I will say this: This artifact is definitely extremely ancient...with sporatic calcification over the surface and within the characters. It is an extremely hard and heavy stone bowl which shows no wear within the shallow concave surface from grinding. This leads me to believe it was possibly used for memorializing or divining purposes.


reply posted on 25-11-2011 @ 11:45 PM by intrptr
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Haven't seen this one yet.


Gothic Rune Alphabet

Google that and click on images and you get a bunch of translation images plus web sites.



reply posted on 26-11-2011 @ 08:27 AM by MysteriousEyes1
Originally posted by intrptr
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post by ArcAngel


Haven't seen this one yet.


Gothic Rune Alphabet

Google that and click on images and you get a bunch of translation images plus web sites.

This looks like Elder Futhark...and shows similarities with many of the characters.


reply posted on 26-11-2011 @ 09:57 AM by IAMTAT
Originally posted by k0mbination
It almost looks like it was part of something else. Is the piece missing in the first picture a broken off piece? Because it looks deliberately cut out, maybe like it fitted onto a shaft. And on the second picture the shape almost looks like it has a pouring tip on the left side. I'm thinking with all the symbols that it very possibly has something to do with ancient ceremony's, diffinatley not grinding.
A blessing bowl or something to do with alchemy. Maybe if it was fitted onto a shaft then alchemy, so the practitioner was away from whatever they were pouring?


Your post got me to thinking about the missing/broken section of what I assume to be the lower underside of this artifact...While it looks like a clean/faceted break...it is off-center to the bottom edge and relatively shallow in relation to the thickness of this disc along it's rim. This would mean that, although the stone is extremely hard and heavy, if it were used as a head piece to a staff or rod, the weight-related pressure would still be substancial...relative to the structural and tensile strength of the stone itself.

Nevertheless, it is an interesting and still-valid idea...especially when one takes into account the fact that this artifact is not just carved with characters and symbols on the concave surface (top?), but on the underside and the full circumference of the outer edge of the rim, as well. This could indicate a use beyond that of a skrying bowl, as when used for that purpose alone, the character elements on the underside would not be seen.


reply posted on 26-11-2011 @ 10:16 AM by Druid42
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I am researching this piece, very interesting. I can see a few of the "symbols" around the outer edge in the first pic, and I feel that they will be vital in producing a translation.

Is there any way for you to photograph the rest of the "symbols" around the rim? Even if you laid it upside down, and photographed it upside down while rotating, we'll find orientation from the notch. It's easier to flip an image than it would be to to get proper lighting.

The way I am viewing it for now, the bottom inscriptions denote the original owner/family, the "symbols" inside are an instruction set, and the ones around the edge are the actually "message" or binding for the rest of the bowl.


reply posted on 26-11-2011 @ 10:55 AM by IAMTAT
Originally posted by Druid42
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post by IAMTAT



I am researching this piece, very interesting. I can see a few of the "symbols" around the outer edge in the first pic, and I feel that they will be vital in producing a translation.

Is there any way for you to photograph the rest of the "symbols" around the rim? Even if you laid it upside down, and photographed it upside down while rotating, we'll find orientation from the notch. It's easier to flip an image than it would be to to get proper lighting.

The way I am viewing it for now, the bottom inscriptions denote the original owner/family, the "symbols" inside are an instruction set, and the ones around the edge are the actually "message" or binding for the rest of the bowl.


Thank you...I have forwarded some additional photos of the rim symbols to ArcAngel for posting. They should be up as soon as he comes back on line...These are similar in appearence...with an odd series of five evenly-spaced dots along the lower portion of the rim; these seperate the contiguous series of fourteen additional characters/symbols.
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