Help with Translating Ancient Mysterious Artifact

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posted on Dec, 12 2011 @ 09:14 PM
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You know,I am believing Byrd that maybe this was an original artifact that was embellished with inscriptions later on to increase the value of the stone bowl.
But,I think that would take an archaeologist with knowledge of this sort of thing to examine it ,up close and in person to determine if those inscribed symbols were done when the bowl was carved,or much later.
Have you ever thought of taking it to a local museum,TAT?




posted on Dec, 12 2011 @ 09:38 PM
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The archeologists you speak of date the pyramids to 3200 BCE.

bulla, when were the Pyramids actually built? Is this piece dated before the pyramids? I'd like to hear your answer.

Actually, it doesn't matter if the symbols were added at a latter date. All the OP wants is a translation. There is a reason for the symbols, whether fact or fiction, and even though I agree with the skeptics on certain aspects, I can't help but wonder if they are translatable. That's my goal, to figure out what they say. If it turns out to be meaningless gibberish, it'll be a nice piece for a coffee table, but if there's a hidden meaning, I'd like to discover that as well.

I can't say that just because it doesn't match a solid script that it's not a real artifact. Ignorance is the lack of knowledge, and the motto here is to deny the lack of knowledge and learn. If down the road it is proven to be fake, so be it, but in the process, I am learning so much more about ancient civilizations than I would have ever had learned on my own, with no motivation. That's the real beauty. The process of learning deals with finding what you don't know, and wanting to learn more.



posted on Dec, 12 2011 @ 09:42 PM
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if there is any accolades re my new, avatar then it belongs to Kdog who made it possible and thank you kdoog for helping to mke it possible



posted on Dec, 12 2011 @ 09:53 PM
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Not to take anything away from the bowl, but you can read were its origin lye's upon the snakes and the rose thread read an absorb the wisdom of the ancients, and what is really means, but it, we were only waiting for the correct time to out the wisdom which begins here



posted on Dec, 12 2011 @ 10:00 PM
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Originally posted by Druid42
reply to post by kdog1982
 


The archeologists you speak of date the pyramids to 3200 BCE.

bulla, when were the Pyramids actually built? Is this piece dated before the pyramids? I'd like to hear your answer.

Actually, it doesn't matter if the symbols were added at a latter date. All the OP wants is a translation. There is a reason for the symbols, whether fact or fiction, and even though I agree with the skeptics on certain aspects, I can't help but wonder if they are translatable. That's my goal, to figure out what they say. If it turns out to be meaningless gibberish, it'll be a nice piece for a coffee table, but if there's a hidden meaning, I'd like to discover that as well.

I can't say that just because it doesn't match a solid script that it's not a real artifact. Ignorance is the lack of knowledge, and the motto here is to deny the lack of knowledge and learn. If down the road it is proven to be fake, so be it, but in the process, I am learning so much more about ancient civilizations than I would have ever had learned on my own, with no motivation. That's the real beauty. The process of learning deals with finding what you don't know, and wanting to learn more.


Hey,man,you are doing a great job in the translation department.
Continue on with it , if any thing, they maybe a mixed up bowl of nothing,or a rare find.
Who knows.

All the great pyramids around the world,IMO are lacking in real data on when they were built and how they were built.
Just search on ATS for the many,many discussions that have taken place in the name of all this.

BTW: the one thing that has thrown me off was the symble resembling a ribbon.

Then I saw this....



patagoniamonsters.blogspot.com...

I don't know if this was posted before or not.

I didn't mark that one symbol,but at the top of that gif is what I am taking about.
edit on 12-12-2011 by kdog1982 because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 12 2011 @ 10:23 PM
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I admire you in the fact that you acknowledge that ATS is a learning experience.
Cause it is.
It is the free college for those seeking it.

I signed on in February,2011,and I have learned more in that short span of time then in my 47 years on this earth.



posted on Dec, 12 2011 @ 10:23 PM
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Please look at the facts, that then time spectrum could be and was being breached, its the reason you find in history you find the same intersection appearing in your understood summation which you do not equate into your understandings

It is for this reason you have the half belief that at some time people lived for thousands of years



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 12:28 AM
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Originally posted by bulla
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Please look at the facts, that then time spectrum could be and was being breached, its the reason you find in history you find the same intersection appearing in your understood summation which you do not equate into your understandings

It is for this reason you have the half belief that at some time people lived for thousands of years

And that those same people, that are still alive, are waiting patiently for mankind to come of age



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 12:51 AM
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byrd I think its time for you to change back to your Spock avatar, as the one you have adopted at present, is not going to be able to explain the logic, that is behind what is being presented

bulla trust in force the joiner of dots



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 03:24 AM
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To begin to explain I don't profess to be a Horus prototype but the knowledge belongs to him and no one else, it stems from his understandings that goes back 12685 years so just where that bowl sits in that historical knowledge I can not answer that question only to say that I know how to use it and when and why and precisely where it can take you and what that means



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 08:46 AM
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My wife suggested that I take it to a museum to be looked over, as well. Eventually, I think I will...but, for now, I'm enjoying the creative-analytical discourse here very much.



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 10:41 AM
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Taking it to a museum or a licensed dealer who deals with artifacts from the Levant is an excellent idea (don't take it to just any dealer -- some won't be able to tell you a thing.) Take along all the paperwork that came with it. If you like, one of us here can probably suggest some good folks to talk to.



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 11:39 AM
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Have only read through about half this thread, and given that, I am not sure if the missing chunk had been further addressed.

How ever, it is in my opinion, that it is not an intention of design but a careless accident by which it fell. To me it appears to be where it contacted a hard surface and broken off. I say this because the missing piece is not of a uniform cut, but does so appear to be a fracture.

None the less it is a very beautiful stone work bowl, and one can see the ever so slightly elongated hand holds, making it not a circle but a very slight oval.

These are from my first impression and observations.

I do hope more on this interesting object continues, and I agree, it should be taken to a museum whereby it can be best studied and deciphered. In the highest-est regard for its clearly mystical purpose.

The location of its discovery, would be essentially paramount to the key of its use, and thus from the location, its cultural identity can be verified.



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 11:40 AM
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Thank you, Byrd.
I certainly would appreciate anyone you or others may suggest. I live in Cincinnati, Ohio and really am not aware of anyone local.



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 12:07 PM
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Thank you, ADVISOR. I really appreciate your observations and your suggestions. Please direct anyone whom you feel might be able to help with with this enigmatic piece to our thread.
-TAT



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 12:24 PM
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Christies

They are specialists in the buying and selling of such materials

A second choice would be Sothebys

2nd choice



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 12:54 PM
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Tat I don't think you would get any joy from any museum, as if it was scientifically appraised, and they did unravel its meanings, they would never admit to you what it was, it would more than likely, send them running for cover, as it brakes the codes of the known laws of physics, you will never find a scientist that is prepared to do that,as they are all of the one guild, in any case, unless they had a full copy of the Mayan codex, they will not be aware of the secrets of kabbalik wisdom, and remember, over the centuries there has been a concerted effort to remove such pieces from view

You are not going to be able to insure it, as it has no provenance, that would get you anywhere near its value, plus I would not let it out of my sight or possession, if it went missing while it was with in the museums, possession they will not be responsible for lost or stolen pieces, and you will find that will be a disclaimer on there agreeing to appraise it

Conversely if they did deem it, to be of significance, then all manner of people and organizations can start claiming national significance, and bring laws into play , that would see it embroiled in a lock up, that could then lead to years of court challenges, where you will be the last to be considered

My advise to you, is while it remains in your possession, it is yours, and continue to unravel its wisdom, I know what it is, and it will be only a matter of time before you stumble on a link that will reveal to you its secrets, and those secrets are the wisdom of the king of light

you may well find something around Zarathustra that may help explain it further



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 01:04 PM
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Your very welcome, the ancients and history are prime weakness's of mine.

In addition to the above insights, there is a publication linked below which I have read book one, and highly advise as a suggested reading. It was given to me from a brother, after his college studies, as these are among my most favored subjects.

In fact there does seem to be more than one edition of this highly sought publication, the first one included the true key of Enochian script.


Book 1


As Book I did for the Eastern Mysteries, Book II catalogs and distills, in hundreds of tables of secret symbolism, the true alphabet magick of every ancient Western magickal tradition: Greek, Coptic, Runes, Latin, Enochian, Tarot, and English.

The Key of It All: An Encyclopedic Guide to the Sacred Languages & Magickal Systems of the World : The Western Mysteries


Book 2


This book will become the indispensible reference for all occult students. It catalogs and distills, in hundreds of tables of secret symbolism, the true alphabet magick of every ancient Eastern magickal tradition: Cuneiform, Hebrew, Arabic, Sanskrit, Tibetan and Chinese.

The Key of It All-Book I: An Encyclopedic Guide to the Sacred Languages & Magical Systems of the World
edit on 13-12-2011 by ADVISOR because: of need to as first book



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 01:12 PM
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As to further discovery, that link, that was given you, he is a specialist in such alchemy symbol's, dose he not have an email address, that you could contact him, let him see the symbols, he may well read them of at once



posted on Dec, 13 2011 @ 01:37 PM
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Zarathustra

The apocalyptic Knights of the King of light will appear and rise up to warn of, who and what is to come





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