Was The Titanic Destroyed By A German Submarine?, page 30

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You know,

It was all those guys that were going to go against the Federal Reserve and later the IRS.

The mission was successful.

Some think tanks even suggest that WW1 was supposed to start with the sinking.

They say the entire WW1 scene was to get the Ottomans out and set up a Zionist State somewhere.

British financial interests were already buying land in Palestine in the late 1800's.

Originally posted by xuenchen
reply to post by AngryCymraeg

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You know,

It was all those guys that were going to go against the Federal Reserve and later the IRS.

The mission was successful.

Some think tanks even suggest that WW1 was supposed to start with the sinking.

They say the entire WW1 scene was to get the Ottomans out and set up a Zionist State somewhere.

British financial interests were already buying land in Palestine in the late 1800's.

Oh come on, nice try at riling me up. You're just stirring the pot here. Why the hell would the sinking of a British civilian ship start anything other than the total condemnation of the people who sank it? Pfffft!

reply to post by AngryCymraeg

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Well that's what went wrong.

They cancelled that part because it would have exposed the sub having to have been there.

They waited till later to start the real war.

Originally posted by xuenchen
reply to post by AngryCymraeg

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Well that's what went wrong.

They cancelled that part because it would have exposed the sub having to have been there.

They waited till later to start the real war.

Really?

Originally posted by AngryCymraeg

Originally posted by xuenchen
reply to post by AngryCymraeg

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Well that's what went wrong.

They cancelled that part because it would have exposed the sub having to have been there.

They waited till later to start the real war.

Really?

Wheeeewww !!!

Finally !!!

Any more questions

reply to post by AngryCymraeg

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Whats so hard to believe about a German Submarine launched torpedo sinking the passenger liner Titanic,which had a length of 882 feet,on April-14th 1912,with a loss of 1,503 lives? When we already know that the similar sized passenger liner Lusitania,which entered service in 1907 and had a length of 787 feet,was sunk by a single torpedo launched from a German U-boat on May-7th 1915 with a loss of 1,198 lives,less than three years after the Titanic sank...

reply to post by AngryCymraeg

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The titanic didnt "collide" with an iceberg...it "scraped" against it sideways...

And so we should'nt ignore the issue of the 12ft square original hole,the original damage sustained by the titanic,through which water began pouring into the ship...a hole impossible to have been caused by an iceberg...

A "side" scraped and "side" swiped iceberg is not going to be able to punch itself inwards and then pull itself outwards really fast against "a moving ship",which is exactly what the iceberg would have had to have done,in order for it to have created a 12ft square hole,the size of a refrigerator...

But a torpedo could have caused a hole that size...

Originally posted by xuenchen
reply to post by AngryCymraeg

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I disagree.

The sub knew where the Titanic was going to go.

The sub had time to get into position.

They had radio contact with someone who was telling them.

Possibly right on the Titanic itself !!!

The sub captain was no dumbie.

Perhaps the Titanic was struck by a torpedo and then lost its steering which caused it to sail against an iceberg?

People in a frenzied panic will believe just about anything and perhaps some of the survivors said it struck ice because it was the "rumor" that was flying around the ship,a rumor that was probably ignited by a high paid, implanted german agent who had orders to get everyone thinking it was an iceberg impact sound and an exploding boiler sound they heard,when they never heard those sounds before and therefore could not have known what they really sounded like...

If i was on board the Titanic at the time and suddenly went around yelling "the ship struck a giant rock,we're sinking! "the ship struck a giant rock,we're sinking! We would now be reading about how a previously unknown and recently at the time uplifted rock ledge was what the Titanic struck and sank the ship...

Most people onboard the Titanic when the incident occurred at around midnight on a cold night were asleep deep inside the ship and were not roaming around the outside decks enjoying the freezing wind and admiring the darkness...

reply to post by AngryCymraeg

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(responding to blocula): www.abovetopsecret.com...

Ok, now you have the Titanic getting hit by a torpedo which damages the steering, which means getting hit in the stern. And then it hits the iceberg... which it was already turning to avoid?
I have cited multiple witnesses who stated that they saw an iceberg and who also failed, in any way shape or form, to notice a torpedo. And you have cited... nobody.

Ah Yes !!

Professional con artists always strive to conceal the con and make the victim never think it happened !!

T U-Boat did its' job well.

reply to post by AngryCymraeg

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Who in 1912 would know what a torpedo was,what one looked like,how one functioned in and under the water and what one sounded like exploding against thick metal near or below the water?

Imo,99% of people in 1912 were oblivious to the fact that torpedos even existed.So when,imo,a torpedo struck the titanic and detonated,no one would have known it was a torpedo and so they would not have went around saying "the ship was just struck by a torpedo" They would have blamed it on something that they were more familiar with...

Go back to 1912 and randomly pick out 100 people and ask them alone,one by one,what an iceberg is and what a torpedo is and i'll bet that most of them would know what an iceberg was back then,but the vast majority of them would not know what a torpedo was back then,most people probably never even heard of a torpedo in 1912...

I know some people and work with other people right now who would'nt even know what a torpedo is and what they are used for...

Originally posted by blocula
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Who in 1912 would know what a torpedo was,what one looked like,how one functioned in and under the water and what one sounded like exploding against thick metal near or below the water?

Imo,99% of people in 1912 were oblivious to the fact that torpedos even existed.So when,imo,a torpedo struck the titanic and detonated,no one would have known it was a torpedo and so thay would not have went around saying "the ship was just struck by a torpedo" They would have blamed it on something that they were more familiar with...

Go back to 1912 and randomly pick out 100 people and ask them alone,one by one,what an iceberg is and what a torpedo is and i'll bet that most of them would know what an iceberg was back then,but the vast majority of them would not know what a torpedo was back then...

I work with some people right now who wouldnt even know what a torpedo is and what its used for...

You seem to have a singularly dim view of humanity. Torpedoes however contain high explosive and if a ship is struck by one it tends to be singularly violent event. Ships have been known to have their back broken by a torpedo hit. Lusitania was hit by one, yes, but there was then a violent secondary explosion, either from a coal dust explosion or a boiler bursting. She then sank very rapidly. Titanic on the other hand collided with the iceberg at 11.40pm and sank at about 2.20am. That's quite a while.

reply to post by AngryCymraeg

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Torpedos then and now are designed in a way that enable the yield of their explosive charge to be built and pre-set accordingly to what they're planned on being used for,smaller or greater effect...

Lets say,just for discussion,that a 1912 torpedo usually was built with a 100lb explosive charge...

What would have been so difficult for the german military to have made one with a 50lb charge or any other yield,whatever was determined adequate enough to penetrate the titanics hull?

And so when the pre-determined explosive yield torpedo struck and detonated against the titanic, most people onboard when that incident occurred,at around midnight on a cold night,were asleep deep inside the ship, hundreds of feet away and were not roaming around the outside decks enjoying the freezing wind and admiring the darkness...

And those that unfortunately found themselves very near or at the point of impact,were surely never heard from again ...

Originally posted by blocula
reply to post by AngryCymraeg

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Torpedos then and now are designed in a way that enable the yield of their explosive charge to be built and pre-set accordingly to what they're planned on being used for,smaller or greater effect...

Lets say,just for discussion,that a 1912 torpedo usually was built with a 100lb explosive charge...

What would have been so difficult for the german military to have made one with a 50lb charge or any other yield,whatever was determined adequate enough to penetrate the titanics hull?

And so when the pre-determined explosive yield torpedo struck and detonated against the titanic, most people onboard when that incident occurred,at around midnight on a cold night,were asleep deep inside the ship, hundreds of feet away and were not roaming around the outside decks enjoying the freezing wind and admiring the darkness...

And those that unfortunately found themselves very near or at the point of impact,were surely never heard from again ...

edit on 13-2-2012 by blocula because: (no reason given)

....except for the crew, who blamed the sinking on the massive lump of ice that the ship hit! And your nefarious sooper seekrit U-Boat, with its equally nefarious sooper seekrit torpedo (with added nibelung, sorry reduced high explosive, which seems to be a remarkably stupid thing to want to have) is somehow not spotted by anyone, anywhere, at any time. Can I add that there were two investigations into the sinking, the full transcriptions of which are still available. No-one in either investigation placed the blame on the sinking onto anything other than an iceberg.

reply to post by AngryCymraeg

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Because in 1912 the german military's latest submarine would have been top secret technology and knowledge of its mission to sink the titanic would have been held between a small group of people...

The titanics schedule,routes and destinations were splashed all over the headlines of the day...

Thats why icebergs were claimed and reported as being the cause of the ships demise,because the german submarine and its mission were secret and unknown by most.The torpedos impact and detonation caused the ship to lose its steering,suddenly veer off course uncontrollably and grind against a nearby iceberg...

At the time,icebergs were well known,submarines and torpedos were not...

Titanic starts sinking...Unknown german submarine sails away undetected...Iceberg gets full blame...

It really make a lot of sense and everything fits together...

Originally posted by blocula
reply to post by AngryCymraeg

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Because in 1912 the german military's latest submarine would have been top secret technology and knowledge of its mission to sink the titanic would have been held between a small group of people...

The titanics schedule,route and destinations were splashed all over the headlines of the day...

Thats why icebergs were claimed and reported as being the cause of the ships demise,because the german submarine and its mission were secret and the torpedo caused the ship to lose its steering,suddenly veer off course uncontrollably and grind against a nearby iceberg...

At the time,icebergs were well known,submarines and torpedos were not...

Tiatnic starts sinking...Submarine sails away undetected...Iceberg gets full blame...

edit on 13-2-2012 by blocula because: (no reason given)

Are you being serious about this, or are you getting ridiculous?

(Sigh) Ok, let's presume that you're serious. The U-17 was not secret. It was not innovative. The Royal Navy had the equally good D-Class submarines earlier, followed by the even better E-Class later in 1912.
The massive problem that exists over your sooper seekrit U-boat mission is that you need a crew, you need a commander, you need provisions, you need orders. In other words you need an administrative nightmare to cover up. This is pre-WWI Germany we're talking about, not the KGB and even then the KGB was notoriously useless. People talk, as do documents. None have ever surfaced.

As for the Titanic's route, this is the era before GPS. Titanic's route was altered to the south during the voyage to avoid what was feared to be a larger than normal ice field in that general area of the Atlantic. There was no way to know where she'd be. And any submarine that did try to intercept her would have been far too slow to do so.

I have mentioned, in other responses, a number of witnesses to the collision and to the iceberg scraping down the side of the ship. They all saw it, they all felt it. They did not feel a torpedo hit.

Let me stress something else. To damage the Titanic's steering would mean a hit against its rudder. The rudder seems to be undamaged on the pictures we have of it on the seabed. In addition a blow against the rudder would have damaged the hull which, when coupled with the damage to the front of the ship, would have a) sunk the Titanic more quickly and b) sunk her on an even keel.

One last thing. U-17 did not, as has been stated again and again, have the range to sink Titanic.

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