Democrat Rep. Acknowledges Need for Voter IDs as 12 Georgia Officials Indicted for Fraud

Former U.S.Rep. Artur Davis (Dem., AL) has gone on record, against the wishes of his former colleagues, to call for greater measures to prevent voter fraud in his home state and region.

Democrat says Democratic Party bosses use voter fraud

Former Alabama Democratic Rep. Artur Davis told The Daily Caller that anti-fraud measures are needed to protect African-Americans from corrupt political bosses — many of them African-Americans themselves — who run Democratic Party machines in the South.

On Nov. 14, progressive Democratic Reps. John Conyers, Steny Hoyer, Jerrold Nadler, Keith Ellison, Steve Cohen, Marcia Fudge and Emanuel Clearer, the chair of the Congressional Black Caucus — along with representatives from several advocacy groups — held a meeting to complain about what they say is the danger posed by laws that require voters to identify themselves.

Artur Davis is unimpressed.

“What I have seen in my state, in my region, is the the most aggressive practitioners of voter-fraud are local machines who are tied lock, stock and barrel to the special interests in their communities ... and they’re cooking the [ballot] boxes on election day, they’re manufacturing absentee ballots, they’re voting [in the names of] people named Donald Duck, because they want to control politics and thwart progress,” he told TheDC.

“People who are progressives have no business defending those individuals.”

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As if to prove the legitimacy of his frustration, and as if to prove the falsehood of Democrat denials and objections, shortly after Davis' talk to the Daily Caller, 12 former Georgia officials were indicted and arested for massive absentee ballot fraud in the 2010 elections.

12 former Brooks County officials were indicted for voter fraud. The suspects are accused of illegally helping people vote by absentee ballot.

State officials launched an investigation after an unusually high number of absentee ballots were cast in the July 2010 primary election. "As a result of their grand jury findings 12 individuals were indicted in that particular matter and we will be trying that case in a court of judicial law instead of a court of public opinion so that will be pending this next year," said District Attorney Joe Mulholland.

The defendants include some workers in the voter registrar's office and some school board members.

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Although the local Democrat-controlled press and government would not publish the party affiliation of the arrestees, it turns out they were part and parcel of the local Democrat machine Davis decried.

The charges followed a bitter November 2010 school board election in Brooks County in which the final tally was changed by an unusually large wave of absentee ballots.

During the election, 1,060 absentee votes were cast out of the 1,403 ballots mailed out to people who requested them, according to a July 2010 report by WCTV.

That’s far higher than nearby Thomas County, which had 119 absentee votes cast out of 202 requests, and Lowndes County, which had 169 absentee votes cast out of 439 requests, said WCTV’s report.

The 12 people charged are aligned with the Democratic Party.

12 charged with voter fraud in Georgia election

The most concerning part of Davis' revelations and past corruption convictions, is that Barack Obama and Eric Hoder are as indifferent to protecting the rights of legitimate voters as the Congressional Black Caucus members who deny it exists.

Democrats argue that the voter identification laws are intended to suppress votes by blacks and Hispanics.

Since President Barack Obama’s election, officials at the Department of Justice have downplayed complaints about ballot fraud.

Under former President George W. Bush, the department had aggressively pursued numerous cases. In 2007, for example, Ike Brown, the chairman of the Democratic Party in Noxubee County, Miss., was investigated for interfering with white voters’ access to the ballot box.

State investigations and convictions continue despite the DOJ’s current lack of interest.

The most telling, saddest, amd almost-frightening part of the piece is, "State investigations and convictions continue despite the DOJ's current lack of interest."

Holder and Obama's DOJ have absolutely no concern over rooting out fraud, although they are more than happy to deliver guns to Mexican Cartels and then sue to prevent states from protecting their citizens from the danger they've created.

This administration constitutes the greatest betrayal of the United States and its law-abiding, legitmately-registered, voting citizens I have seen in my 40+ years as a registered voter.

I have voted for and supported many fine and honorable Democrats, who won on their merits. My home State witnessed the effects of corrupt Democratic politics and eventually became dominated by the Republican party as a result.

It takes a concerted effort, but the bums can be thrown out.

jw

This administration constitutes the greatest betrayal of the United States and its law-abiding, legitmately-registered, voting citizens I have seen in my 40+ years as a registered voter.

I assume you expressed similar outrage at the rigged 2000 election as well right? that's all completely documented and they didn't really go after anyone hard, and the same rigged system (diebold) is in use today.

all of this, and more, happened to allow Bush to "win" both of his elections. the system is in shambles.


BUT......

I'd be weary of any "voter ID" methods to be implemented as that sounds like an easy way to instituted "real id" and rfid tracking.

It takes a concerted effort, but the bums can be thrown out.

Indeed, effort from all people from all sides ignoring party lines. If only a movement of non partisan people could form around the country, and world, demanding these things be stopped.

Oh well.

This is about 60 miles from me..

I don't care repugs or dummycrats..

If they're guilty, go to jail..

The sad thing is,

the rest just haven't been caught yet..

Originally posted by phishyblankwaters

This administration constitutes the greatest betrayal of the United States and its law-abiding, legitmately-registered, voting citizens I have seen in my 40+ years as a registered voter.

I assume you expressed similar outrage at the rigged 2000 election as well right? that's all completely documented and they didn't really go after anyone hard, and the same rigged system (diebold) is in use today.

all of this, and more, happened to allow Bush to "win" both of his elections. the system is in shambles.


BUT......

I'd be weary of any "voter ID" methods to be implemented as that sounds like an easy way to instituted "real id" and rfid tracking.

It takes a concerted effort, but the bums can be thrown out.

Indeed, effort from all people from all sides ignoring party lines. If only a movement of non partisan people could form around the country, and world, demanding these things be stopped.

Oh well.

edit on 24-11-2011 by phishyblankwaters because: (no reason given)

As far as 2000, yes.

We haven't had a decent prez since Reagan,

and no real patriot prez since, who?, Jefferson?

Can't be voter fraud when the votes aren't even counted..

I swear... the proponents for the "voter id" don't get it. The people against the idea aren't against having this requirement; they are against it costing money. Any amount of money. That is discriminatory against certain demographics, particularly people who don't think we should pay to vote.

If the intentions were truly pure, they'd make the entire process free-of-cost.

reply to post by phishyblankwaters

I assume you expressed similar outrage at the rigged 2000 election as well right? that's all completely documented and they didn't really go after anyone hard, and the same rigged system (diebold) is in use today.

Do you mean the election in which Al Gore tried to disenfranchise soldiers overseas whose ballots he tried to have tossed, and which favored Bush?

In reality the Diebold problems arose in the 2004 election. Florida's 2000 ballots included the infamous "butterfly" ballots, which resulted in the immortal "hanging chads."

By almost all measures, Bush won the election in the count of valid ballots.

BUT......

I'd be weary of any "voter ID" methods to be implemented as that sounds like an easy way to instituted "real id" and rfid tracking.

Another rmeritless Democrat scare tactic. Every state requires a valid ID to apply for welfare, medicaid, food stamps and cash benefit checks. Even the feds require ID to get a prescription filled. There is absolutely no need for a "voter ID."

I have used my driver's license and voter registration card to vote since I was 18.
Making up some imaginary straw man who cannot possibly obtain a state identification between now and the next election is laughable.

What good are the successors to ACORN; the SCLC, NAACP and other aid agencies if they cannot identify and assist people who want to vote and know what they are voting for, and get them a state ID card?

jw

Just one more example of how the system is bought and paid for. I remember there was a programer that went on record saying the GOP had paid him to make a way to rig the electronic voting machines.

I don't get how people can still be Dem or Rep, they are both corrupt and have sold the country out a long time ago, its time to throw ALL career politicians out of office, don't care what party they belong to.

Originally posted by benrl
I remember there was a programer that went on record saying the GOP had paid him to make a way to rig the electronic voting machines..

Funny how a liberal bias distorts memory and "facts" about voting fraud.

Although the Diebold machines were definitely flawed and went through several ownership changes, no one after all this time has proven what you claim.

What actually happened was that the original founder of the company said he would devote all his support to see George Bush elected. If he had been the owner of a plumbing company no one would've cared. He admitted he'd been careless with his choice of words, and withdrew from political involvement.

Careless distortions of fact are the only thing the liberals/progressives have left to use since their basic ideology is hopelessly flawed.

jw

reply to post by jdub297


It's right here: Programmer under oath admits computers rig elections

As for the OP; this is regarding abesentee ballots. How do you ID someone who's not even there?

reply to post by links234


The testimony you cite by Clint Curtis includes his statement that he had no lnowledge that any votes were ever rigged.
The post I replied to asserted that" the GOP" paid him . That is untrue, even under Curtis' testimony.

In the states in which I have voted absentee, you must provide identification with your request for a ballot.

"Absentee" does not mean you do not show up, it means you do not show up on election day.

This is to accomodate people who are away from home or otherwise unable or unwilling to go to the polling place on the election day during the polling hours.

jw

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I didn't directly answer your question: "How do you ID someone who's not there?"
The answer is you can't and don't.

You ID someone from whatever documents your state permits at the time the request to vote absentee is made.

In Texas, you go to the Courthouse (or other designated "absentee voting" place) during the "absentee voting" period,
the clerk takes your voter's registration card and your identification, determines the proper form of ballot for the precinct in which you reside, you take back your identification and registration and sign a log of "absentee voters,"
you take theappropriate ballot to a voting booth, make your choices (if it's a paper ballot, you place it in the ballot box), then leave.

How does your state do it?

jw

reply to post by jdub297


You can walk into the country clerks office or mail the absentee voter request in. The difficulty in obtaining an ID is equivalent to obtaining a voter registration card. So voter ID laws here would be pointless. I don't quite understand how other states seem to have so much difficulty.

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If it's that bad then call for an ammendment, to the state law for I.D.s to be shown at the polling place on election day, on every day business if you get stoped you have to show i.d.s why not to vote, find out the state law from your state board of elections they have to follow federal law.

reply to post by bone13


The entire argument against having to identify yourself when you vote is that it reduces the likelihood of certain types of voter fraud.

Nothing more, nothing less.

jw

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That's not the entire argument though. Not everyone drives, not everyone feels the need to carry identification with them. Everyone should vote though. To the people who don't have ID's you're telling them they can't vote. What if I move out of state and register my new home address? That doesn't mean I have to get a new driver's license...under a voter ID law I would have to get a new license. What if I simply move to the next town? Are you going to prohibit me from voting because the address on my ID doesn't match my voter registration?

The argument isn't as simple as you make it out to be. You just want ID. I want guarantees that people who don't have an ID or don't always keep it up to date will still be able to vote. Now, if you could combine the process...say, automatically register when you obtain an ID thereby requiring you to have an ID in order to be registered, I could go along with that. However, that would come down to the argument of charging people to register by applying fees to their ID card.

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So this didn't happen? was his testimony proven to be perjury?

2nd why is it biased when its the Rep doing it but if its Dem its not? Agenda much? Personally I hate both parties and think they are both beyond saving from their own corruption.

But you go ahead keep beating the Gop drum...

reply to post by links234

I suppose your alternative would be for anyone to walk into a polling place with essentially nothing more than an index card with a name and precinct number and cast their vote. That is how dead, moved and non-existent people vote.

Not everyone drives, not everyone feels the need to carry identification with them.

No one is required to do either. As I've stated at least once before, if you want to apply for assistance in housing, medicaid, food stamps or welfare (WIC/TANF) or enroll in school, you will be required to provide identification according to your state's requirements.

To the people who don't have ID's you're telling them they can't vote.

No. That is an illogical and unsupportable assertion. I'm telling them to obtain an identifcation card according to their state's requirements..

What if I move out of state and register my new home address? That doesn't mean I have to get a new driver's license

Yes, it does.
If you move out of state and "register my new address," you forfeit your previous state's license and must obtain a new one in your new home state.

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..under a voter ID law I would have to get a new license.

If you have established a new permanent address, you do have to get a new license. If you haven't established a new permanent residence, you must vote "absentee" in your home state.

The argument isn't as simple as you make it out to be. You just want ID. I want guarantees that people who don't have an ID or don't always keep it up to date will still be able to vote.

Now, if you could combine the process...say, automatically register when you obtain an ID thereby requiring you to have an ID in order to be registered, I could go along with that.

You are just trolling.
When you apply for an identification card, the agency ALWAYS has voter registration forms available and advertised around the building. Look up your DoJ Civil Rights Division law; it is plain as day.

When you get old enough to drive, you will see. Does your mom know you're using her comnputer?

Originally posted by links234
Not everyone drives, not everyone feels the need to carry identification with them.

Don't have to drive to get a picture ID, at least not in my state. You still go to the DMV, but the card states right on it that it's not a valid driver's license. It definitely isn't cost-prohibitive to the vast majority either. You can't buy alcohol or tobacco products without one and a lot of places want a photo ID before letting you use your own debit/credit card as well so it's something that most people over the age of 18 are going to have whether they drive or not. Requiring one to vote or request an absentee ballot isn't really asking that much. No rights are being infringed upon by asking you to prove you are who you say you are and that you are legally able to vote before allowing you to do so.

How does voter ID cost money?


What do people need ID for ....

Liquor

Cigarettes

Cash a check or money order

Withdraw money from your bank

Use your Food Stamps card

Use your unemployment card

Receive your welfare payments

Present a sec 8 voucher

Collect a "taxable" jackpot in a casino

Apply for any government assistance

Use a credit card

Start a job

Board an airplane

Join the military

.... all to help fight fraud.

I think some states/localities require ID to vote.

It seems that about half the states have a voter ID system.

Some more strict than others.

According to the National Conference of State Legislatures website,

Georgia has a "Strict Photo" ID system already.

Georgia;

Each elector shall present proper identification to a poll worker at or prior to completion of a voter's certificate at any polling place and prior to such person's admission to the enclosed space at such polling place.

If you show up to vote and you do not have one of the acceptable forms of photo identification, you can still vote a provisional ballot. You will have up to two days after the election to present appropriate photo identification at your county registrar's office in order for your provisional ballot to be counted.


Georgia driver’s license, even if expired
ID card issued by the state of Georgia or the federal government
Free voter ID card issued by the state or county
U.S. passport
Valid employee ID card containing a photograph from any branch, department, agency, or entity of the U.S. Government, Georgia, or any county, municipality, board, authority or other entity of this state
Valid U.S. military identification card
Valid tribal photo ID

Voter Identification Requirements