Quite the little bitch fest going on here isn't there.
First of all I'd just like to say that I've debated with Slayer
many a time over the years, most of the time we are pretty much in agreemeent
but certainly not always, in fact somtiimes we've had completely opposite opinions.....but I must say this - he's a well respected member who has
always shown respect to other members and tried to debate with respect and reason - both of which are far too rare nowadays on ATS.
I most definately don't recall him being either condescensing or bullying in this thread or any other one.
Maybe some people just can't accept a different opinion to their own, especially when expressed articulately and confidently.
In such instances I would like to suggest the problems lie with the 'offended'.
However, I would like to point out to Slayer
We are far older than you Americans and far more 'grown up' than the USA will be for years.
The USA has many faults and it's recent foreign policy certainly hasn't endeared themselves to many around the world - and the actions and behaviour
of some Americans doesn't help - but of one thing I am absolutely certain; without the USA this world would be a far worse place than it is and for
that they deserve some respect and recognition.
Yes, they talk a lot of bollocks when they talk about 'saving Europe' in WWI and WWII, but it would have been a damn sight harder if they hadn't
eventually joined in.
And some of their military achievements since haven't exactly been stunning. who can forget Grenada?, but I truly pity the nation(s) that really do
piss them off and they take the gloves off and unleash everything they have at their disposal, and that's not taking into consideration their nuclear
Mind you, not wanting to disrespect those who fought in them or to trivialise anything, but the list of military encounters that have occurred in the
USA was quite embarrassing.
Most of them were little more than skirmishes between different Americans and hardly on a par with the horrendously bloody catalogue of war and
destruction that is European history.
I am in no way proud of that, but it does give an inherent understanding of warfare and it's reality.
As for those advocating nuclear or chemical confrontation, of any kind by anyone, you disgust me and I can only echo the sentiments already expressed
that I hope it never happens in any of our lifetimes.
We were criminally lied to and misled about Iraq but what were 'we' supposed to do.
Saddam Hussein was a horrible, murdering tyrant who got everything he deserved.
But we failed to respect Iraqi wishes and tried to impose 'our' beliefs on them.
A mistake we may well be repeating in Afghanistan - where again we were misled.
But can we afford to let The Taliban take over again and re-continue their barbaric rule which the majority of Afghans don't want?
There is no easy solution.
Anyone who thinks there is a clear cut, simple answer to the Middle East's problems is either naive to the extreme, delusional or just plain old
I don't know what's going on in Syria, but it worries me a bit.
I do know that the USA, Russia and China have all lived and survived under the prospect of MAD for quite some years and I am convinced that it would
take something far more serious for any of them to seriously consider instigating such a scenario.
But who genuinely knows?
And as has been said - war does generate manufacturing growth, new technology and of course money and profit.
edit on 24/11/11 by Freeborn
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