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Originally posted by 27jd
reply to post by SLAYER69
Not sure we'd be very happy if Russia got cozy with Canada and Mexico, and those countries were coaxed into setting up missile defense systems along their sides of our borders. Wasn't Cuba also a sovereign nation that should have been able to do whatever they wanted in their borders? We didn't see it that way...
Originally posted by SLAYER69
Originally posted by ClydeFrog42
The point is pretty clear: if the missile shield is completed, Russia will use force to 'un-complete' it.
No. it isn't clear. You know that sounds scary and all. But no they wont.
They're moving what they want within their own borders. NATO is not deploying anything on their territory. So Russia has nothing to say about. They can express their displeasure, they can saber rattle, but unless they want to sign theirs and ours death warrants that's about all they'll do and they know it.
I'm not so sure it will come to that, though. If so, not for some time.
That's right. You're not sure, because if they did then it's game over for everybody. West & East and everybody else left will be breathing Nuclear fallout for the next couple of years or so which will make japan's fukushima seem like a firecracker.
Originally posted by ClydeFrog42
Lol jeez, lighten up captain sandy vag.
The idea is that if the US establishes a missile shield, which could be contingently deployed in the event of a confrontation with Russia, Russia is threatening to respond by force. And moving missiles into their western-most regions in order to "put all planned us instillations within striking range" is clearly a threat of force against those installations...
So, well you sound really angry and sure of yourself, your simply wrong.
As i said, nobody can be sure if any of this will actually culminate in a conflict, but the precautions are being taken... as they should be.
Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by TheOracle
There is plenty of first strike capability in existence, moving around under the sea.
Please show evidence of Russia's concern over the defensive system being converted to an offensive system.
edit on 11/24/2011 by Phage because: (no reason given)
One of the arguments the Russian government holds against the shield is that defensive interceptors may be turned into offensive weapons.
Originally posted by Helious
Originally posted by Phage
In order for one to retaliate action must be taken against one first. In order for one to retaliate one must take action against the offending party. No action has been taken against Russia (or Syria for that matter). Russia is taking no action against anyone.
There is no retaliation. Just the expected sabre rattling.
There has not been much "saber rattling" from Russia in some time. This does not seem like idle threats or empty speech, this is a clear message that Russia has interests in Syria and Iran and considers those countries as assets on there side of the globe.
They are drawing a line in the sand for further military operations by NATO in Europe and the Middle East. Take it a bit more seriously because they have legitimate concerns.
However, experts agree that Russian leaders use the argument as a propaganda tool, whereas, in fact, they are more concerned with the possible increase of the American missile defense shield in the future[16].
Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by Helious
The speech is not really about Syria. It is about Russia's concern over NATO's deployment of missiles in Europe. Russia's ongoing concern.
"Citizens of Russia, I address you today in connection with the situation concerning the NATO countries' missile defense system in Europe"edit on 11/24/2011 by Phage because: (no reason given)
Besides that, Russia have every right to be pi$$ed about the defense shield because it give advantage to the US, which is what the whole point in the agreement was supposed to prevent.
Originally posted by TheOracle
reply to post by Phage
Pro shield experts I'm certain
It doesn't make sense, propaganda towards who exactly? Everybody knows their fears are legitimate. This missile shield is directed at Russia; clearly they have been ignoring russian proposals.
And everybody knows a shield like that is a huge advantage in a first strike scenario, to either attack or neutralize a counter strike.
How would the US react if Russia was doing the same at their borders?
edit on 24-11-2011 by TheOracle because: (no reason given)