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Seems you misunderstand the point.... When your beloved company goes abroad to make himself money, YOU... yes YOU become one of the non-doer, jobless, ignorant masses that seems to be a cancer on your beloved capitalism. Is that your fault? According to you it is. You'd be a non-doer, a waster.
Originally posted by Zanti Misfit
reply to post by Mister_Bit
" When your "insert employer name here" realises he can make more of a profit by outsourcing to another country and turfing you to the road, tell me again about the ignorant masses. "
The Employer is a " Doer " , and as a " Doer " , he is Intitled to a Profit if he Invests Capital into any Business . The Employee is Not Intitled to Anything other than a Agreed Wage for the Fruits of his Labor that he gives in Exchange to a Employer .............Simple Concept , Right ? .........Capitalism is Not Perfect , but it does give the " Non Doer " an Option to Substain Himself other than Living off the Land he happens to Occupy......Outsourcing Jobs is another Concept that is Usually effected by the Demand for Labor , Labors Demands , and Goverment Involvment (Regulation and Taxes) in effecting the " Bottom Line " of Any Business Operation ...........
HAHAHA! Seriously....
Originally posted by Zanti Misfit
reply to post by Mister_Bit
If I was an Employee of that Ficticious Company , maybe I might consider lessening my Wage Demands in order for the Company to Possiblly Keep me Employed here in my Home Town ? .Hmm.....
Originally posted by SpaceJockey1
The main point of the post and what it contains is that though this is a very simple example; trying to 'equalize' everyone, at the expense of the achievers, then you get exactly what happened in that classroom.
Originally posted by Raelsatu
To be honest I don't know enough about socialism to really criticize it, at-least in every aspect. One thing that irriates me is people who scream "socialist", as if it's the devils' system; yet most of these people don't know a single thing about it in the first place.
Socialism is a economic system where the government oversees corporations/businesses to make sure they're not cheating the public; the people pay higher taxes but are supplied with the basic necessities, e.g. free education, healthcare, etc. Socialist criticize capitalism for materialist reasons, but I do believe they can intermingle.
Anarchism is stateless socialism, Mikael Bakunin
What we have today essentially is a government with pseudo-socialist oversight, that has now devolved into a crony-capitalist, corporatist welfare state; approaching full-on fascism.
The biggest problem is government and corporations are absorbing each-other, becoming a symbiotic abomination that favors the ___ percent. Pathocrats, plutocrats, & oligarchs call the shots; they own and run the media, bailout their buddies on an international scale. Being the lawmakers, they absolve themselves from acts of fraud, counterfeiting, money laundering, armed robbery, terrorism, and other crimes against humanity.
During the revolution, as many as 7 million peasants and farm workers set up voluntary collectives in the anti- fascist region....
Workers seized control over their workplaces and directly controled production by themselves and for the benifit of the Spanish workers and peasants.
On July 24the the tram crews got together and decided to run the whole system themselves. Within 5 days 700 trams were in service, instead of the usual 600...
...Everyone benefited from the trams being under workers control. Fares were reduced and an extra 50 million passengers were transported. Yet more money was made and used to improve transport services and produce weapons. With the capitalist profit motive gone, safety became much more important and the number of accidents were reduced.
Originally posted by Zanti Misfit
There is some Truth to that , Self Sufficiency can be obtained for the commom masses if they just Reason it out . Creating their Own Wealth by Gile ...........Hmm........
The "Fat Cats" need a reality check, it's the "little people" that are the cogs, the engine and the oil of their success. Without the little people the fat cats will die of starvation, who do they think cooks their posh meals, builds their posh cars and houses, digs for their oil etc etc.....
Originally posted by JonoEnglish
reply to post by SpaceJockey1
If the lecturer had only allowed those students to enter the classroom who paid a fee, then the poor kids miss out on an opportunity to better themselves.
Socialism and capitalism can work side by side. Each keeping the other in check in terms of service offered and cost.
Capitalism will always drive creativity and production. However, this alone comes at a cost.
The oil and resources under your feet should financially benefit the people of the Country, not some rich privately owned Company who makes massive profits enabling them to buy up more future wealth.
Originally posted by daskakik
Originally posted by SpaceJockey1
The main point of the post and what it contains is that though this is a very simple example; trying to 'equalize' everyone, at the expense of the achievers, then you get exactly what happened in that classroom.
Socialism isn't about making everyone equal. You don't even know what socialism is. You also fail because Obama has not been socialist. He has been corporatist.
Originally posted by SpaceJockey1
The professor then said, "OK, we will have an experiment in this class on Obama's plan". All grades will be averaged and everyone will receive the same grade so no one will fail and no one will receive an A.... (substituting grades for dollars - something closer to home and more readily understood by all).