G20 case reveals 'largest ever' police spy operation (Canada)

Originally posted by nightbringr
What did you do about it? File a report? Contact your local government representative? Care to go a little deeper into your story of walking down the street and being accosted? Im curious to hear more about your little story. Sounds to me like they were looking for a suspect and you might have looked like him. I assume you were simply questioned and not beaten/peppersprayed/tazered?

No. In fact, I simply walked away. Because that's how it works.

It's obvious that you've never experienced indiscriminate police harassment before. "File a report"? "Contact government representative"? Get real.

And if you want a specific example, here's one:

I was at my university until about 4AM one night, working hard on a paper. I was walking home on my usual route when suddenly a spotlight hits me in the dead of night and a cop starts asking me for ID. He also kept asking me what I was doing there, and I kept explaining to him that I was walking home from school (I even kept showing him the name of my university on the front of my sweater and the fact that I had a backpack full of books). Eventually I had to give him my ID because he kept harassing me, and he swiped it on his mobile database which apparently has all kinds of information on me, like what town I am originally from. Then he kept asking me all kinds of other questions. I got fed up and asked if I had permission to leave, and he laughed at me saying that I didn't even have to talk to him in the first place. So I told him that I hate f-ing pigs and walked away.

Now let me recap that for you: I was walking home early in the morning, I was stopped by a cop hitting me with a searchlight from his cruiser, I was harassed into giving up my ID, the cop looked up detailed information on who I am (and obviously recorded this incident), and then had the nerve to tell me that I didn't have to comply in the first place.

I have rights against arbitrary search and seizure in this country. The reason why I didn't just walk away from this cop is because I am not stupid- I've been through it before. When a cop stops you randomly and requests your ID, you either do it or you're considered a suspect for non-compliance and they'll forcibly search you. Either way, they're getting your information if they ask for it. Very rarely have I ever had a cop respect the constitution; usually they are thugs who get right into my face if I don't do what they want.

Wrong. Greece has spent well beyond their means for years, and it has nothing to do with your so called "financial elite". Im not going to go into detail, because this is not the thread for it, but i simply encourage you to look at the greek budgets posted year after year. You will find massive deficit after massive deficit. Hell, they even lied to the EU, cooking their books to make themselves look good to gain entry. This was their doing, and theirs alone. If you insist that outside forces cause the Greek collapse, i encourage you to show me how.

Wrong? This is what I pay to learn in academic studies. You only talk about the symptoms and not the disease, which is neoliberalism which goes beyond borders because it is economic imperialism. Your comparison between Greece and the NDP is beyond rediculous and obviously some attempt to slander socialists. I doubt you even know that the socialist government, who you believe screwed over Greece, was actually forced by the EU to implement austerity against their own will. Same thing in Spain: socialist government forced to implement austerity, lose popular vote because of that, and then the real neoliberal policy makers get in office. It's called politics.

I must labor everyday just to sleep and eat?!? Damn, why didnt anyone tell me this! I thought i had a good life! I honestly, sincerly thought i was happy with a beautiful family, good life, 6 weeks of holidays a year minimum and will be retiring with well over 7 figures in the bank! Maybe i should buy into the socialist way of thinking and believe i am entitled to all the money and none of the work. Thank you for telling me how miserable and slavelike i am!

I've literally met thousands of Canadians in my life, and never have I met one who has ever even come close to having an accumulated wealth of a million dollars. Nice to see where your opinions come from, way high up there

Maxmars-
However, the idea that civil dissent represents such a concern that it should supersede other law enforcement priorities begs excusing.

It's a major contradiction: Harper and his police claim terrorism is the enemy, yet the RCMP has publically claimed civil dissidents to be the terrorists (I specifically remember an RCMP commissionar stating this during the G20 riots, when his own agent provacateurs were provoking riots).

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I still find it very hard to believe that Harper actually won that vote. Nobody that I've talked to voted for him and I talk with people from a variety of backgrounds and ages.

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"nihilism"....wow.

And here I thought this postmodern world was in full swing o:

Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
No. In fact, I simply walked away. Because that's how it works.

Sure, if your complacent and refuse to stand up for your rights.

Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
It's obvious that you've never experienced indiscriminate police harassment before. "File a report"? "Contact government representative"? Get real.

Cant say i have. Most police ive dealt with have been courteous and polite. Wonder why you have so many bad experiences?

Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
I was at my university until about 4AM one night, working hard on a paper. I was walking home on my usual route when suddenly a spotlight hits me in the dead of night and a cop starts asking me for ID. He also kept asking me what I was doing there, and I kept explaining to him that I was walking home from school (I even kept showing him the name of my university on the front of my sweater and the fact that I had a backpack full of books). Eventually I had to give him my ID because he kept harassing me, and he swiped it on his mobile database which apparently has all kinds of information on me, like what town I am originally from. Then he kept asking me all kinds of other questions. I got fed up and asked if I had permission to leave, and he laughed at me saying that I didn't even have to talk to him in the first place. So I told him that I hate f-ing pigs and walked away.

Oh noes! They stopped you and asked you a couple questions! The horror! Obviously your violation of rights is only my minor inconvienence. Alas, i dont really fret too much on the small things. If they would have roughed you up or detained you without reason, i would perhaps see what it is your on about, as of now i dont. And I think the part where you told them you hate f@&king pigs is telling of your character. Obviously a personal vendetta, no point expaining to you they are human and there are good cops as well as bad. To you they are all evil. Perhaps you would prefer none and have anarchy?

Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
I doubt you even know that the socialist government, who you believe screwed over Greece, was actually forced by the EU to implement austerity against their own will. Same thing in Spain: socialist government forced to implement austerity, lose popular vote because of that, and then the real neoliberal policy makers get in office. It's called politics.

I challenge you to show me how they were forced. If by forced, you mean offered money as a bailout in turn for being asked to clean up their books, i dont see a problem. If im a child, i spend my money irresponsibly and my parents refuse to give me more before i learn and demonstrate i can spend responsibly, i can expect them to withhold any future handouts, cant I?

Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
I've literally met thousands of Canadians in my life, and never have I met one who has ever even come close to having an accumulated wealth of a million dollars. Nice to see where your opinions come from, way high up there

Not sure who you hang out with, but a person making only 40k a year can have over 1 million easily for retirement. Its called understanding finances, proper investment strategy and not buying into the consumer "I gotta have it all!" mentality. And its also called spending responsibly. Damn, that keeps coming up, doesnt it? Perhaps your need for socialism stems from your incapability of understanding finances and preparing for your future. Do you need someone else to handle your money? Do you not assume people can look after themselves? Id say roughly half of the people i know plan to have close to a million for retirement. I'm going to need it with no other income, I'd prefer not to be.a burden on my children and would prefer to leave them some.

So basically spying on the home front is wrong when you have numerous world leaders in Canada. You people need to wake up and realize that these are the same people who keep you safe on a day to day basis. I really wish the individuals responsible for the rioting would be put away for 5 years minimum. Canada needs to get tougher on tough crimes.

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I thought that we already established before that you're Ontarian and I'm British Columbian? Because that fact right there shows several differences between the cultures that we belong to under the Canadian flag. I've heard lots of stories about Ontario, about how its where all the snobby rich people live.

I even know one girl who flies to some small, elite luxury town in Ontario to work as a maid for some rich family. The daughter in this rich family has actually killed three different people from her driving. Last I heard, she ran over some guy on the street. She claimed that she didn't have a problem with it because "he was poor".

And guess what? Daddy paid off the cops and the victim's family (talking past the million range here) and she got a brand new BMW.

So have you figured it out yet? The RCMP works in the interests of the elite. They protect the elite from everyone else. People like me are the perceived enemy of the government. It's funny how you can continue to criticize me, when you even admit that you've never even been in similiar situations. You'd change your mind right quick if you learned how buddy buddy the RCMP really can be, but they keep scum like me away from you so they're alright guys, am I right?

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Not sure why you think I'm from Ontario. And I'm not filthy rich. Up until very recently, I've never made over 40k in my life. I have however invested well and made very sound financial decisions.

Your last post shows your contempt for anyone who has done well in life. You assume anyone rich is a bad person who hates the poor, beleive stories your told of rich people running over poor and not caring and for some reason believe that people in BC are incapable of having money. I believe there are good and bad from all walks of life. I've seen more BMWs on my trips to BC, land of the expensive real estate more than anywhere else in Canada. All rich are evil and all poor people are kind and loving in your eyes, right? I'm really getting a feel for your character now. Your blinded by beliefs you've held tight for so long.

Do you suggest that since you believe I am rich, if I run over a homeless man I will feel no remorse? The RCMP will protect me? Am I the elite you so dearly hate? If so, damn! I wish someone told me! Here I thought I was a simple family man trying to make a good life for my wife and kids.

Ps. And i call bull$hit on the killing three people. Do you really believe everything you hear? Watching too much Michael Clayton? Surely it would be in the news. Please point out the article or the name of the lady so i can verify your lies. And if you pull the "well its not in the news because she is rich!", i simply have to post this in retort. Its an article about a Canadian politician Michael Bryant, who ran over and killed a cyclist. No cover up there. Interesting to see how you will spin that one. Too many witnesses, couldnt cover it up? Law had it out for him? Passed laws the police force didnt like?
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Originally posted by nightbringr
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Ps. And i call bull$hit on the killing three people. Do you really believe everything you hear? Watching too much Michael Clayton? Surely it would be in the news. Please point out the article or the name of the lady so i can verify your lies.

Wow, for some reason I knew you would pull this argument. Has it occured to you that this was not in the news? That I heard this straight from people who knew the girl and the family? Because I did. I didn't believe it at first but then I kept hearing more and more about it.

Do you even realize that people are murdered all the time without the media reporting it? Most people blind to reality accept that people only disappear without actually putting much thought into what happened to them. It's no different in Canada.

"Blinded by my beliefs". Yeah, good one. I mean, it's not like personal experience has anything to do with it

I will admit that there are always exceptions. I did not state that all rich people are above the law, I simply gave an example of how the system works in your favour if you have enough money and connections. If you want another example, then look into the gang situation in BC. Do you think these guys operate without some level of inside support from the police/government/other authorities?

And I assumed you were from Ontario because you posted it before.

this is just sad so instead of investigating child prostitution rings or drug trafficking or even terrorists trying to attack there country no they are spying on people who want to speak out against the power elite. boo rmpc you can always catch your man but he probably aint a criminal;

Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
Do you even realize that people are murdered all the time without the media reporting it? Most people blind to reality accept that people only disappear without actually putting much thought into what happened to them. It's no different in Canada.

I agree. It happens a lot. In large towns, a lot of murders happen. Hard to list em all on the nightly news.

Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
"Blinded by my beliefs". Yeah, good one. I mean, it's not like personal experience has anything to do with it

Fair enough. My experiences have been generally positive so i simply dont share that opinion. That said, id still rather avoid the police whenever possible.

Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
I will admit that there are always exceptions. I did not state that all rich people are above the law, I simply gave an example of how the system works in your favour if you have enough money and connections. If you want another example, then look into the gang situation in BC. Do you think these guys operate without some level of inside support from the police/government/other authorities?

I agree, but often in cases of the gangs, the police are even threatened and coerced into towing the line. Not having to worry about the law at all and threatening a mans family can be a very powerful tool. I disagree with money always being the way out however. Prominent people are quite often brought to justice worldwide. Look at the front page of your local paper on any given day.

Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
And I assumed you were from Ontario because you posted it before.

Did i? Well I am crazy like that.