Originally posted by The GUT I betcha we find out though, eh?![]()
Betcha don't but drop by "there" anytime and "talk shop".



Originally posted by The GUTDon't much read the naysayers, GUT, see you got the testimony. More later.
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Har! A sharp wit and a razor mind you are Destinyone.![]()
Tough crowd here, Frank. Fambly. Smart. But I'm havin' fun ain't you?![]()
"I hope when I get older I don't sit around thinking about 'em but I probably will...those glory days."

Originally posted by The GUT
You're a rascal, but I don't think you're a villian. Sharp intellect too. I think FBI Agent Cecil Moses says some significant and fairly nice things about you in the following seemingly very balanced article from the Seattle Times.
Secret Agent Man: Trainer Of Guerrillas Was An FBI Informant -- That Career Ended With Conviction In Bomb Plot
It's a really good read. You continue to grow on me, but I don't think every thing you did was purely in the service of intelligence agencies and the good ol' USA. You've got a bit o' the rogue in you and you darn well know it.
At this point in time though, ol' timer, I think we should pause for some wise and germane words from one of our famous American philosophers--Bruce Springsteen that is:
"I hope when I get older I don't sit around thinking about 'em but I probably will...those glory days."
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"The FBI was tough but very fair and they designed COINTELPRO just for me."
"5.5 years of which I spent a total of 120 days incarcerated, made for a great cover, yes? Now of the 120 days, 90 or so was complete solitary confinement after I got into a brawl with a cadre of bikers after they viewed a 60 Minutes re-run which they felt made me look like a police undercover agent. they moved me to over 20 prisons including a few that don't exist."
"The evidence, viewed in the light most favorable to the government, established the following facts.
In 1985, Franklin Joseph Camper was the owner and operator of the "Mercenary Association," a mercenary training school located near Birmingham, Alabama.
William Dean Hedgcorth, James LaRosa Cuneo, and Paul Johnson were students and teaching assistants at the Mercenary Association.
Elizabeth Hamilton and Charlotte Wycoff owned and operated the California Learning Centers, a chain of private schools located in San Bernardino and Orange Counties in California.
In late July 1985, Hamilton and Wycoff contacted Camper in connection with a series of employment problems at the Learning Centers. Hamilton and Wycoff requested help in dealing with three teachers, two of whom had brought state unfair labor practice charges against the Learning Centers after they were fired.
Camper recruited Hedgcorth, Cuneo, Johnson, and his girlfriend, Lee Ann Faulk, to do some "unconventional security work." His plan was to locate the disgruntled teachers and "______ them up."
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After a series of practice runs, the mercenaries went to work on the early morning of August 13, 1985. At approximately 3:00 a.m., the defendants drove to the home of one of the disgruntled teachers. The defendants placed two of the firebombs under the teacher's car, poked holes in the plastic container, and lit the napalm-like mixture with a rolled-up newspaper.
The defendants then fled. The firebombs produced the desired napalm effect and the car was nearly totally destroyed. The defendants followed the same essential procedure at the home of the second disgruntled teacher. Again, the teacher's car was almost totally destroyed. The heat from the firebombs was so intense that it melted the paint on the teacher's house.
The defendants abandoned plans to firebomb the house of the third disgruntled teacher when they noticed a police car nearby.
There were no witnesses to either firebombing. Cuneo and Johnson testified for the government as part of a plea agreement. They stated that Camper orchestrated the arson spree, and that Camper and Hedgcorth were both involved in setting off the firebombs. Camper and Hedgcorth denied any involvement in the preparation or use of the firebombs. They argued that they had carried out a legitimate investigation, and that the firebombings were a "frolic and detour" committed by Johnson and Cuneo alone."
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"Just who is Frank Camper? A trainer of terrorists? A federal informer? Or, as some suggest, a posturing adventurer with a craving for publicity? With Camper fact and fiction tend to blur.
Some facts are verifiable: Camper is a Vietnam veteran (Spec/4), a licensed gun dealer, the author of two pulp adventure novels and the operator of the school. Beyond that, his background becomes vague. He claims that during the early '70s he infiltrated leftist groups for the FBI, but the Bureau will neither confirm nor deny that.
He also claims that he trained Arab troops in Saudi Arabia in 1979 and 1980 but, according to the records of Saudi Arabian Airlines, he was working for them as a mechanic. He says he has trained Panamanian antiterrorist troops both in Panama and in Alabama. He claims to have carried out cloak-and-dagger missions in Guatemala and El Salvador in recent years, but those tales are impossible to verify.
Frank Camper tells a lot of exciting adventure stories—all of them starring Frank Camper—but not everyone believes them. Tom Posey, head of the Alabama-based Civilian Military Assistance, which sends supplies and American military trainers to the contra guerrillas in Nicaragua, is highly skeptical: "You shouldn't believe 99 percent of what Camper tells you."
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