Originally posted by nenothtu
Fascism is collectivist, same as communism and socialism. The very symbol of fascism, the fasces, is illustrative of that. A bundle of sticks, all bound together. There are those who would have us believe otherwise, that fascism is the logical development of capitalism, but it simply ain't so. What we have now economically isn't capitalist, regardless of claims made. It appears in most respects to be some monstrous hybrid.
I believe all forms of government are considered collectivist. Im a collectivist when it comes to helping the poor and suffering and an anarchist when it comes to relating to all oppressive govts, be they communist, fascist or whatever. When they screw with popular uprisings because they know that these uprisings once in power wont act as a rubber stamp agent for whatever money making operations and natural resource destruction schemes they've got brewing then they screw with me. Thats when my collectivism comes out for all to see. Its kinda like what you talk about where someone has to protect the honest sheep. Only its not just talk to me. Its what I do.
Anyway, concerning the definition of collectivism Wiki agrees for what thats worth
Collectivism is any philosophic, political, economic or social outlook that emphasizes the interdependence of every human in some collective group and the priority of group goals over individual goals. Collectivists usually focus on community, society, or nation. Collectivism has been widely used to refer to a number of different political, economic and educational philosophies, ranging from communalism and democracy to totalitarian nationalism.
Corporatism refers to a form of collectivism that views the whole as being greater than the sum of its individual parts, and gives priority to group rights over individual rights.
Who is a "freedom fighter"? The folks who insist that they can tell you how to live, or the lone guy who tells them to piss off, he'll live any damned way he pleases?
I dont believe either comes even close to being a freedom fighter. Like Ive tried to get across above, there are people in this world who have dedicated their lives to fighting corrupt governments of all kinds. I funneled information in and out of Russia in the 80s, and like to think I played my part in the fall. I worked with Chinese dissidents and fought the US governments response to the massacre at Tiananmen Square. These dissidents only wanted a voice in their governments decision making process, you know, those silly things democracy and justice. And the US government saw too it that it didnt happen. The same scene has been repeated over and over again. People ask for freedom from an oppressive government, and the US will block that freedom movement if it conflicts with corporate interests.
But you cant stop real freedom fighters, because they are fighting for real freedom for everyone. They will go to the streets. And they will be beaten, and tortured, and killed. And more will come back. And the same thing happens again. But even more come again. Those are real freedom fighters. The David in 'David and Goliath'. And from the looks of the way this thread is going Id say that most of you dont have a clue what Im talking about, so I gotta say adios to this thread. Im too old and have fought too hard to be wasting time.
Ill start a thread soon that tries to understand and define the Phoenix Rising Movement.
And fuk semantics, and who defines something how. Words are BS. Never forget that the people demanding liberation were gunned down by the People's Liberation Army.
edit on 25-11-2011 by zworld because: (no reason given)