I think a nerve has been plucked. Satan does his work in all organizations. The question is, Is he embraced by the highest degrees of the masons? This
question has not been answered. I do not think it will be. Albert Pike is masonry, masonry is Albert Pike. Understand Pike and you answer the
To make this statement, you first must assume that Satan exists. So far, I'm certainly not convinced.
Masonry as an organization does not speculate on the existence of Satan. Much of Masonic philosophy is derived from the ancient Greeks (through
Pythagoras, Plato, etc.), . . .
Freemasonry is not Christianity, and admits non-Christian members. Therefore any speculation about Satan (which is a Christian belief) would be absurd
Not convinced of Satan?-
Wrong thread and probably wrong forum for that.
Slippery statement at best- knowing what other people portend or pretend to believe is at least the note of an average person, to claim to be “the
light” for any group or of any group and remark in a public forum in the 21st century that you don't believe in evil is nothing less than
Masons “supposedly” MUST believe in “a supreme being,” yet now we know that even one ML
claiming leadership as a 'worshipful master' does not
even live up to the oaths he has spewed for months on this board.
If there is no evil then when man is less than righteous and “decent” are we to to ascribe that to insanity?
Don't get me wrong, I personally am a fan of Pike's. But it would be dishonest to pretend his influence was more than it actually was. His works are
far more influential for those who oppose Masonry, than they are for Masons themselves.
A fan of Pike's- no surprise here.
More influential to the opposers- isn't this telling you something? The Opposers must 'think' that masons believe one of their high-priest, while
in fact (by your own statement) this is not the case. Why call him priest when he is not?
I totally agree. Over here in the UK I had never heard of Pike or M&D until I started reading the words of anti-masons on the net.
He just doesn't figure in UK masonry.
There- oner more 'secret' finally after all this. Revealed that there is proof the pro-masons on this board two (minimum) interpretations of
masonry exist, thank you.
The Bible is a Christian creation" - is that why it is so Flawed? Honestly who can really say that Jesus’ God of Love & Compassion in the New
Testament is the same God of Wrath & Vengeance in the
Old Testament. It is Clearly NOT!!! Either that or somewhere down the road God smoked a doobie & decided to chill out!
wasn't Jesus an Essene? Lets stop using the word JEW from now on & use "Essene", "Sadducee", "Pharisee" & so on - That might Inject some
Reality into the Scenario seeing as there are many diff "Sects" within Judaism too!
For the Last Time - Lucifer is NOT Satan. Will you Brainwashed Mongrels PLEASE Open up your Eyes & READ what the Bible actually says. Please keep in
Mind the Translation back & forth between 4 Languages
(Latin, Hebrew, Greek & English).
Don't know about the doobie on the first statement but I have no difference with your 1st paragraph- my addition is that the Old Testament was not
written by Christians. Sure it was translated different times but they didn't provide the basic authorship.
All I know of Jesus' birth is that he was born in Judah. Whether he was an Essene or something else has been written and speculated about so often
and so widely I have decided the claim of what sect or group Jesus was is not a concern for my religion.
Should Jesus have been born a Hindu or Assyrian would matter less to me than what he taught.
I agree that Lucifer is not Satan- Satan is cited all too often in the New Testament while Lucifer is missing. As far as I know the word -Lucifer- is
a transcription creation. The “idea” of Lucifer as the Antichrist and/or chief servant of Satan is certainly not new.
Many Satanists have no problem making the distinction. They know Satan and Lucifer. One of their many
sites extoling the earthly virtues of both, and treats them as different entities entirely.
Every Culture has its Satan, Devil, Dagon, Beelzebul, Old Nick, Baphomet, bogey man, Abaddon, Lucifer, diabolos, Seth, Set, Azazel, watchers, The
Nephilim, Le Cornu, Leonard.
They may all not be the same but evil exsists big time
Agreed. Some (not by any means a large number in real life) masons, as we see on this board have a difficulty with this concept.
Knowing not if this is a true difficulty or a pretended one it surely exposes a basic flaw in masonry. Denial of something does not make that
something less so.
To deny evil exists by whatever name indicates a gross missing element from a grasp on reality. Either this or an intention to deceive.
As I have stated many times before, most masons are good folks (or words to this effect). Some of the pro-mason board-posters go to great lengths to
prove me wrong in this.
Not bad progress within the last few days-
a mason admits that masonry is different in different places
another admits that in his place there is no evil, (so therefore no supreme being?)
one admits Pike has a negative influence on masonry (sad thing is that he also admits to admire Pike- but this is the same one that denies evil- so is
I call this a definite win of late. I will re-state: “if I were a mason facing some charge as a mason I have yet to find a mason (on this board)
that I would choose to defend me”
If I were a dues paying mason reading the pro-masons I would want my money back!
The detractors are not harmful, it is the defenders-