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posted on Nov, 21 2011 @ 11:00 PM
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Originally posted by FallenWun

I agree with onfire. The only people that ever preach that Alex Jones is worth anything are people that started listening to him in the last couple of years. The people that claim he has uncovered stuff can never explain why he is still then trying to uncover it and what the hell he has uncovered so far. Then they usually say something about his fake bohemian grove tape and how he does his work for free even though he profits.
All Alex has is anger, lies, and people stupid enough to spend an average of 5 years supporting it.


Well I guess it would help if you read ALL of my posts on this thread because I've known Alex for more than 20 years.

I've listened to him for the past 10.

I don't buy everything he sells but he has been a leader in the conspiracy realm. Much of what he calls "news" is right and ahead of its time.

How about you stop making assumptions and look at the facts??




posted on Nov, 21 2011 @ 11:04 PM
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Theres a Word to Describe that .............." Hearsay " ............



posted on Nov, 21 2011 @ 11:09 PM
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That doesnt explain why their shouldnt be any standard imposed on these people. Jones gives you basically all hearsay or inferences but presents it as fact. So he (or any other media figure) should be excused because we should all assume what they are saying is false. I believe that you should verify what you hear but it doesnt mean that people who make these misrepresentations arent culpable.



posted on Nov, 21 2011 @ 11:09 PM
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Originally posted by onfire49
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Speaking of reading.... I believe I said like 5 mins ago that I just joined this site but this isnt the first time Ive ever looked into conspiracy theories.

What makes you so informed? Because your an AJ fanboy. Your right the guy who brings you a millions ways to twist stories to your agenda and scream to make your lies seem real is the best way to get informed. Come to think of it that would be a great title for an AJ book. Id read that.

As for being a newb and my post count.....your right racking up triple the amount of posts I have distinguishes us in someway. Those extra 200 some posts have made you very wise, especially considering 300 is nothing on this site. I like to think I was doing better things during that time you were racking up posts, like doing actual research, getting an education, interacting with others, seeing sun light....


You may continue to think that….but you may be wrong??

By the way, because you disagree with AJ doesn’t mean we should dismiss him.

How about you address why the OWS movement, that claims to represent everyone, has made a list of people they don’t want to hear from?

Explain that….rather than giving your opinion about AJ, because my OP didn’t ask what everyone’s opinion was about AJ.

Newb



posted on Nov, 21 2011 @ 11:21 PM
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I didn't care to respond to this thread or any of the comments, untill I read it twice....

For them to even include the word 'fascist', is disgusting and unwarranted... I goes to show the comprehension of those who are truly behind the OWS movement.

AHHHHH! I could go on for days about the loose usage of the word fascist or fascism, but it will just fall on deaf ears, for the definition of words has been all but been lost in todays language.

Here, do a favor to mankind, look up the word Fascism, en.wikipedia.org... , and then try to understand why this is the wrong word to use when describing people such as Alex Jones.

I personally don't care to go out of my way to listen to Alex Jones, for I believe there is a better approach to raising awareness, other than fear mongering and pandering to paranoia.

OWS will fall apart so fast, it will make your head spin if they continue using such language and tactics.

'Oh we're going to start banning people' type statements are disgusting. They are only going to limit their appeal, their message, and the truths about the situations in which face the 99%. They better figure it out real quick, before Violence is there only means of finding justice.

OWS = Ostracism Whilst Suppression(of dissent)

Ostracism
en.wikipedia.org...

Suppression of Dissent
en.wikipedia.org...

OMG it's soooo fitting, it's almost epic... almost.

Dear OWS,
Stop clowning around, and truly address the situation at hand. Simply put, you stink of wretchedness.

Nine Inch Nails The Wretched Lyrics
"And in the end
We still pretend
The time we spend
Not knowing when
You're finally free
And you could be

But it didn't turn out the way you wanted it to
It didn't turn out quite the way that you wanted it

Now you know
This is what it feels like
Now you know
This is what it feels like

You can try to stop it but it keeps on coming
You can try to stop it but",

"And now you're one of us
The wretched "

www.lyricsfreak.com...

You know the line from Dark Knight?
Something about, dying as a hero, before becoming the villian? Well OWS should dissolve for a whole host of reasons... before they become the villian..



posted on Nov, 21 2011 @ 11:22 PM
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Your a funny guy....really love the internet hierarchy of internet message boards. I remember the last time someone called me a newb I was 14 and on a paintball forum trying to fix my paintball gun. but anyways.....

I dont disagree with Jones premiss that there is alot of stuff going on behind the scenes and all is not as it seems...I dismiss him because he is a fear monger and generally he lies or stretches the truth. I also dismiss him because he is a generally unlikeable person from almost everything i have seen or heard him in....he has an ego that is unmatched by anyone.

And since you've chosen to single out my attacks on AJ I'll address OWS as well. They banded him for reasons that have nothing to do with his message...it has all to do with their rules (no politics and no conspiracy theories) as was posted by another member. OWS doesnt represent all of us by any stretch...no group could do that. I am not an OWS supporter as I have made evident in many other threads....but I'll side with them on this one..They have the right to set their own rules and AJ cant do anything about it



posted on Nov, 21 2011 @ 11:46 PM
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After seeing it first hand, I'm starting to believe that since the Occupy crowd is growing so large, that they have to start limiting viewpoints that would actually start addressing real issue. When Occupy initially started, livestream was the only forum to actively discuss with other 99/occupy members the movement. Like I've said in many other threads, they limited to discussion of politics to only include Leftist/ Socialist/ Communist thought. Obama support was okay. Socialist Democrats were okay, but anything else was banned.

It's why Ron Paul supporters aren't allowed within Occupy. It's why end the fed isn't allowed into discussion. It's why a Tea Party vs. OWS was fully embraced by it's supporters (on television, they literally had a Tea Party rep and a Occupy rep and they argued about nothing more then "I'm better then you, you're wrong."

They limit the views, because other viewpoints (like Jones) make members want to further question the "reality of things." If enough Occupy members learned what was going on, they would realize a) camping in a park in NYC was useless and b) move their occupy (in mass) to DC.

People claiming Jones is personally spamming OWS website are absurd. What's to say that Millions of people just carry the same ideology, and are just discussing on Jones in relation to OWS. You do know that Luke Rudkowski, a We are change Journalist that is highly involved with Infowars has been taking part in OWS. Is he spam?

When masses of people discuss something it isn't spam. It's just a bunch of people going against an agenda that a group has. Whether it be OWS banning Jones discussion on their website, or CBS removing Ron Paul from their Poll. It's all the same thing.

They claim spam, when it's really a majority of people voicing an opinion that goes against an agenda.

If the group was about solidarity they (select leaders) would not hold meetings in the Deutsche bank lobby. Why the hell is a bank allowing members of OWS to hold GA meetings in their lobby? Because... The movement has already been infiltrated.

Are OWS members really that naive?
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posted on Nov, 21 2011 @ 11:49 PM
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Originally posted by onfire49
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Your a funny guy....really love the internet hierarchy of internet message boards. I remember the last time someone called me a newb. I was 14 and on a paintball forum trying to fix my paintball gun. but anyways.....

I dont disagree with Jones premiss that there is alot of stuff going on behind the scenes and all is not as it seems...I dismiss him because he is a fear monger and generally he lies or stretches the truth. I also dismiss him because he is a generally unlikeable person from almost everything i have seen or heard him in....he has an ego that is unmatched by anyone.

And since you've chosen to single out my attacks on AJ I'll address OWS as well. They banded him for reasons that have nothing to do with his message...it has all to do with their rules (no politics and no conspiracy theories) as was posted by another member. OWS doesnt represent all of us by any stretch...no group could do that. I am not an OWS supporter as I have made evident in many other threads....but I'll side with them on this one..They have the right to set their own rules and AJ cant do anything about it


Hey genius…..I only called you a NEWB because you were so quick to jump on the bandwagon calling ME a NEWB (and weak minded)! Not that it’s a big deal…..but since you want take offense and have a short attention span….let me refresh your memory!

Original Post by Bixxi3


I notice that the people who still support AJ are the ones that are fairly new here. If you did a search on AJ here on ATS you will see the amount of BS that has come out of his mouth. It still confuses me that there are people who will stick up for him even after years of lies. No wonder OWS wants nothing to do with him.


Then you quickly agreed and said:


100% correct.....if you look at most people who support AJ its weak minded individuals and people just getting into conspiracies. I even admit I liked AJ....for about 3 months. Then I realized how little added up.


If you can’t take it then don’t dish it out.

As far as AJ, he’s a leader in talking about everything wrong within the country. OWS doesn’t denounce the NAZI PARTY but will denounce Alex Jones because he’s a conspiracy theorist? OWS will have to denounce ALL of its ATS supporters then because I think most of us here are conspiracy theorists!

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posted on Nov, 21 2011 @ 11:59 PM
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Well if you like to internalize general statements I make about people thats on you...but I was referring to the fact that you keep using the word Newb...you sound like a 16 year old boy...neither here nor there you can say whatever you want about me and Ill come back at you...its all a fun little game


As for OWS supporting Nazi's and not jones Id have to look at the rules again but they can be Nazi's all they want...that is freedom of speech in America....but if they start posting political candidates or conspiracy theories they will be banded too...thats how rules work.



posted on Nov, 22 2011 @ 12:20 AM
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Originally posted by onfire49
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As for OWS supporting Nazi's and not jones Id have to look at the rules again but they can be Nazi's all they want...that is freedom of speech in America....but if they start posting political candidates or conspiracy theories they will be banded too...thats how rules work.


OK….

Official OWS Rules have been stated!

Communists = Freedom of Speech….


Conspiracy Theorists = NOT Freedom of Speech....


Gotcha!

Thanks for clearing that up!


You guys really have your stuff together! Where do I sign up??



posted on Nov, 22 2011 @ 12:45 AM
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Well as ive stated before I am not a supporter of OWS so I cant help you with your membership package haha....I am not giving you OWS rules I am just explaining their message board rules as has been posted by another person

But it doesnt matter what they chose to do on their website. Its a private website. You dont have a right to freedom of speech on a private website. Just as if you are on my property you have no right to peaceably assemble or I can tell you that you have no right to bear arms inside my work place. Unfortunately, the Supreme Court has confused the distinction between private and public rights in a lot of ways. Not saying that its good they ended segregation in public institutions but their ability to force people to do things in private settings is questionable (although then you go into the issue of opening your property to the public).....But the bottom line is that you, I, and Alex Jones have no freedom of speech in private settings
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posted on Nov, 22 2011 @ 12:57 AM
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OWS is a PUBLIC PROTEST….not a PRIVATE SETTING!


They speak of being all inclusive. Their supporters here on ATS will have us believe that we should not judge OWS just because they have communists, Marxists, socialists, anarchists, criminals, bums, etc as part of their movement. They want everyone to ignore those affiliations….yet they’ll draw a line with CONSPIRACY THEORISTS like AJ?


Do you see the hypocracy?


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posted on Nov, 22 2011 @ 01:00 AM
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Yeah.. Alex Jones is a complete liar. I consider articles from him to be no more newsworthy than an article from Weekly World News. I'm glad they are banning it. It justifies peoples belief that the protesters are crazy when they hear that garbage.



posted on Nov, 22 2011 @ 01:02 AM
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Yes he was wrong, because people that lie like him do nothing for movements but hurt them. He probably set end the fed back rather than further them.

Just because he said one thing you agree with you support him and his lies?



posted on Nov, 22 2011 @ 01:05 AM
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That is a lie. He hasn't presented proof of that.
I have seen more Ron Paul supporters at the protests than any other kind.
I have actually seen people arguing against Obama at Occupy.
These lies have got to end.



posted on Nov, 22 2011 @ 01:08 AM
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That is not good. I don't want Alex Jones to utter Paul's name again, he only hurts him. If Alex Jones is smart, he knows this.



posted on Nov, 22 2011 @ 01:09 AM
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I wonder if they have the same policy towards any kind of "spam" on the website. It may not be a Alex Jones or David Icke only policy. Maybe it is a policy against any kind of "spamming". Which most forums have.

ATS has it's own "spamming" policies as well.

Yep, I just checked. Here is anti-spamming policy listed right on the website

OccupyWallSt.org moderating policies

Posting guidelines:

Before posting, please ask yourself if you're actually making a contribution to on-topic discussion.
Upvote comments you feel follow the first guideline.
Downvote comments you feel do not follow the first guideline.
Don't respond to threads that suck.
If things go towards flame wars, please consider stepping back.
The following will not be tolerated:

Safer Space. Sexist, racist, homophobic, transphobic, ableist, etc. content is subject to moderation. We understand that many such behaviors are unfortunately common in society (like calling things "gay" or "retarded") so bans will be reserved for the worst/repeat offenders.
No Platform. Conspiracy theories, will be removed immediately and the spammer will receive a swift global network ban. Fascist propaganda, will be treated with the similar actions. In that we are very specific about what fascism is: the word has a meaning.
Stay On target. Off topic posts, low content posts, worthless posts, bumping, etc, will be moderated and removed. Repeat posting of the same off topic posts and spamming of links that have nothing to do with the subject at hand (case in point the Dylan bull#) will be banned outright. Similarly posters who constantly post off-topic nonsense are straddling the line very close to a ban.
We do not support an election campaign for 2012. At all. We have removed election material for Obama, Paul, Warren, Paul, Cain, Paul, Perry, Paul, the green party, Paul, Nader, Paul, and did I mention Paul? The spamming by the Ron Lawl 2012 fan club was getting out of hand. We will continue to remove such material and any call for the Paul 2012 campaign will, at this point, be considered spamming. End of. We're tired of hearing about it. Main street debates are also largely off topic.
Red baiting will be moderated, as this is not 1952 and we are able to debate ideas without insulting anyone even slightly to the left as though they were Stalin reborn. Similarly, people on the right are not necessarily nazis.
Trolling will be squashed whenever possible/reported/found out.
Posting people's personal information on the website is prohibited.
The continuous spamming of lies from various sources (like the non story about turning away the homeless, which was, as mentioned, a lie, or the mythical 500,000$, which a) doesn't exist, as our donate page can attest, and b) the 300,000$ account is being used constantly to pay for food, equipment, etc. (already on top of helping other occupations with more difficulty fundraising) will fall under spamming.
Any abuse should be emailed to abuse@occupywallst.org

EDIT - If you want to question a ban, also email abuse, we're open to discussion and at least one ban did get reverted; what you don't do is make a slew of sockpuppets. That's the best way for future bans to be immediate and without second thoughts.

FURTHER EDIT - We finally implemented collapsible threads. Upvote/Downvote will actually do things now.

AGAIN AN EDIT - There is lag between posting and viewing comments. Don't assume that because you don't see your comments immediately they're being removed. For one it makes you look like a complete ass when the comment finally shows up, especially if you posted 3-4 copies of it.

EDIT IV - The points you see and the upvote/downvote thing is tied to the like/dislike buttons. If you hit like on someone's comments, it's +1, if you hit dislike, it's -1. Also rules apply to news comments..


So, Prison Planet isn't exactly telling the entire story accurately. It's a general spamming issue not an Alex Jones or David Icke issue. In fact they don't mention their names on the website posting policy at all.

EDIT:

It appears as though they have a very strict policy for all posting content. Probably it needs to have this. We have all seen the way some people talk and post in public forums that are not moderated well.

I think might be a bit of propaganda on the part of who ever wrote the article on PrisonPlanet and I would hope that Alex Jones is not behind this smear job of the OWS website

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posted on Nov, 22 2011 @ 01:12 AM
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Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
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That is a lie. He hasn't presented proof of that.
I have seen more Ron Paul supporters at the protests than any other kind.
I have actually seen people arguing against Obama at Occupy.
These lies have got to end.


Ive seen people at Occupy actively state they are voting for Obama again....

Does that make YOU a liar? Of course not.

Ive heard OWS wants to End the Fed.

Ive heard Alex Jones say it also.

Does that make by proxy,OWS a bunch of liars also? Of course not.

Calling him out as a liar,is Irony at best, VIC.

You would be surprised on how many similar grievances OWS and Alex Jones have in common.

I dont listen to Jones,BTW.

Its funny though, OWS is screaming about individual rights,just like Alex does,but they silence him.

How can OWS be taken seriously,when even communists get a voice?


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posted on Nov, 22 2011 @ 01:14 AM
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They rip on Ron Paul there because his supporters reach out the most. I am commenting because I know people will point this out. In face Paul has the most support at these protests despite that. They only say his name several times because he is discussed most. Which is good. Also his name being repeated will help him with anti-ows voters. Again, in reality, he has the most support at Occupy. If any of the protests have been hijacked, its the New York one. Occupy Wall Street doesn't seem to really represent the movement anymore. It doesn't look anything like the other Occupy protests.



posted on Nov, 22 2011 @ 01:14 AM
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Jeez you are thick headed......Public doesnt mean something that happens in public. A marathon happens in public but it may very well be a private event. A public event is one put on by the govt....the govt cant limit your freedom of speech but a private person sure can. If I hold a rally I can ask you to leave. But we are talking about a private WEBSITE not a rally. They can limit whatever they want. They are not a govt entity (and even govt can limit some speech). You have no right to publish anything at all on a private website.....it is a privilege

I am not supporting OWS I think its a dumb movement. However, I am pointing out that you have nothing to gripe about. Jones has no right to be heard on the forum if they dont want him on there. Its just one of those things....you can be mad about them supporting communists but it doesnt matter they have that right.....And as a Jones fan you should be against people being forced to list opinions they dont want to
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