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Comunism and Socialism: The FAILED Human Experiment!

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posted on Nov, 21 2011 @ 01:37 PM
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Communism is a prison for the ambitious, creative person and it is a wheelchair for the uninspired.

I have had 3 friends in my life who actually LIVED in the Soviet Union. One never knew the other two but their stories were identical: Get up everyday at 3am and go wait in line 9 to 12 hours for half a loaf of bread (sometimes moldy), a piece of cheese (usually moldy) and the occasional piece of sausage that was always rancid.

It was a big deal to get a another used paperback book to read. It was dangerous to go to a religious meeting and a Bible could cause you to simply disappear one day.

The fields often had wheat but nobody had working combines and picking by hand was hard work AND you didn't get anything extra if you DID go out to harvest by hand; additionally, if you were found to have kept any of the grain for yourself or you were seen eating any grain, you would be arrested. Who needed that hanging over their heads? If you think the media in the U.S. is government contolled...wow...you should have seen how bad it was there...

Communism only eliminates the middle-class even though it purports to grow it. It only grows the ranks of the poor to keep them dependent on the government while those at the top of the ladder only get fatter. It is a fallacy to believe that everybody becomes middle-class. That IS the BIG LIE of communism. Communism does not grow a middle-class population. It ELIMINATES the middle-class as neccesitated for the SURVIVAL of the system that is really fascism by another name.

It IS a failed experiment because there will always be men and women to exploit the system and maintain a caste system of the very rich and the very poor.

Communism does NOT benefit anyone but those who end up at the top with everyone else's money...




posted on Nov, 21 2011 @ 01:44 PM
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Why do you say socialism is proven failed?
Socialist countries:

People's Republic of Bangladesh[9] (since 16 December 1971, see Constitution of Bangladesh)

Cooperative Republic of Guyana[10] (see Constitution of Guyana)

Republic of India (since 15 August 1947, see Constitution of India)

Portuguese Republic (since 1974,[11] see Constitution of Portugal)

Democratic Socialist Republic of Sri Lanka (since 7 September 1978, see Constitution of Sri Lanka)

Syrian Arab Republic (9 March 1963,[12] see Constitution of Syria)

United Republic of Tanzania (since 26 April 1964[13])

en.wikipedia.org...

Sure Syria isn't doing so well right now, but the rest are, especially India.



posted on Nov, 21 2011 @ 01:48 PM
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You're right.

In theory, it sounds and works fine... but add humans to the equation and greed and egos get in the way.

Who your family, friends and overall networking ability was the only way to land a cushy job where you were somehow more equal than the rest.

Hey, wait a minute... that sounds just like what this so-called capitalism has become today!?!?

Oh, I guess that would explain all the people in the streets with banners and placards who are angry that fascism has become the working model in their countries as well.

Capitalism... in theory, it sounds and works fine... but add humans to the equation and greed and egos get in the way.

the Billmeister

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posted on Nov, 21 2011 @ 01:49 PM
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Hmm you did a great job exposing the perils of communism (like we didn't already know) but you made no mention of socialism at all.

Beyond that, I don't get the point of the thread. Well, I have my suspicions, but yeah, I don't really get the point.

communism is bad because it inevitably becomes corrupt

but........




It IS a failed experiment because there will always be men and women to exploit the system and maintain a caste system of the very rich and the very poor. Capitalism does NOT benefit anyone but those who end up at the top with everyone else's money...


sure, we aren't lining up for pieces of bread yet, but the prices are heading that way. And we soon will be lining up to buy water, because Capitalism has deemed water to be the next oil, and capitalists have gone about buying up nearly all the fresh water sources on earth.

Sure, you can get a college education (bank loan)
and you can buy a home (bank loan)
and you can buy a car (bank loan)
So you can get to your job (taxes, no benefits)

Hell, most states still tax you FOR DYING.

communism minus corruption would work
Capitalism minus corruption still fails for the many while providing the few with fancy new toys.
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posted on Nov, 21 2011 @ 01:50 PM
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All the 'isms' are failed experiments. Global capitalism was only fully unleashed some 8 years ago...and they're still trying to resurrect the system from it's very expensive ashes. (That's before most of us have even felt the heat).

Capitalism promised to create a growing middle class too....rather it gave us a whole new growing class....the underclass.

We could take the best of both worlds....nationalise core necessities and let the city slickers play with the rest.



posted on Nov, 21 2011 @ 01:57 PM
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With Communism man exploits man.
With Capitalism it's the exact opposite.

That why if your smart you want both
so you get bailed out by exploiting the system
And Paid out by the exploiting the other system

A Nation is the world of the weak minded Used by those who are not fixed to anyone's world
since they reside within and without it and not just some part of it.



posted on Nov, 21 2011 @ 01:59 PM
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And what has communism to do with socialism though?? I live myself in one of the most socialist countries in Europe, but yet it is nothing like you describe. My guess is that you have been brainwashed like most americans...



posted on Nov, 21 2011 @ 02:00 PM
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Originally posted by RealAmericanPatriot
Communism does NOT benefit anyone but those who end up at the top with everyone else's money...


Seem to be the same as capitalism to me. And no real equal communist state have ever existed on this planet. Ego and corruption is always involved and the pyramid of power have been kept. Thank god we only live here a certain time. The ultimate judgment from god would be to make you imortal on this planet so you would have to suffer the egostupidity for all time. Have fun in your duality world where you are ambitious and deserve more. Namaste
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posted on Nov, 21 2011 @ 02:05 PM
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I agree. Communism is a lovely thought, but human beings get in the way. On the other hand, pure capitalism is pure madness as well.



posted on Nov, 21 2011 @ 02:13 PM
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Your friends are right. Communism was a bad, bad idea. Some people like to point out that China is a very prosperous Communist country, but I'd like to remind them that China is very slowly moving away from Communism and approaching Capitalism. As the older Communist leaders slowly die out, they are replaced with the younger generation who see the benefits of Capitalism. I was also born in a Communist country, and that is the reason why I am now a U.S. citizen,... because my family escaped this oppressive regime before it finally fell to pieces in 1989. Certain types of food and products were scarce, the KGB were always around the corner, and everyone was equally poor....except of course our fearless leaders. The inequality and lack of opportunity for anyone to do and become whatever they wanted or worked toward was basically non-existent. Talking badly about your government landed you in jail without a fair trial for countless years. I could go on for pages about the evils of Communism (which were born from Socialist ideals), but I'll spare you. Now my family and I feel like something similar is coming to this country. Many Americans don't realize it because they have never experienced it before. They think it's a great idea, but it isn't. I hope I won't have to pack up again and learn yet another language somewhere across the world to get away from it.



posted on Nov, 21 2011 @ 02:20 PM
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Syria was doing quite well before the US started meddling. The Syrian people liked their country. Many of those rioting are foreign mercenaries.


Originally posted by Chamberf=6
Sure Syria isn't doing so well right now, but the rest are, especially India.



posted on Nov, 21 2011 @ 02:24 PM
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Originally posted by apushforenlightment

Originally posted by RealAmericanPatriot
Communism does NOT benefit anyone but those who end up at the top with everyone else's money...


Seem to be the same as capitalism to me. And no real equal communist state have ever existed on this planet. Ego and corruption is always involved and the pyramid of power have been kept. Thank god we only live here a certain time. The ultimate judgment from god would be to make you imortal on this planet so you would have to suffer the egostupidity for all time. Have fun in your duality world where you are ambitious and deserve more. Namaste
edit on 21-11-2011 by apushforenlightment because: spellchecking


The grass is always greener on the other side which is true
unless your the one whose the landlord renting or leasing the grass on both sides
then id would think your pocket are all the greener




“Nevertheless, the argument indicates this, if we would be happy, to be the path along which we should proceed. With a view to concealment we will establish secret brotherhoods and political clubs. And there are professors of rhetoric who teach the art of persuading courts and assemblies; and so, partly by persuasion and partly by force, I shall make unlawful gains and not be punished. Still I hear a voice saying that the gods cannot be deceived, neither can they be compelled. But what if there are no gods? or, suppose them to have no care of human things --why in either case should we mind about concealment? And even if there are gods, and they do care about us, yet we know of them only from tradition and the genealogies of the poets; and these are the very persons who say that they may be influenced and turned by ‘sacrifices and soothing entreaties and by offerings.’ Let us be consistent then, and believe both or neither. If the poets speak truly, why then we had better be unjust, and offer of the fruits of injustice; for if we are just, although we may escape the vengeance of heaven, we shall lose the gains of injustice; but, if we are unjust, we shall keep the gains, and by our sinning and praying, and praying and sinning, the gods will be propitiated, and we shall not be punished.” -Plato, The Republic, Book II




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posted on Nov, 21 2011 @ 02:24 PM
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I don't think I've ever met anyone who would like to have some kind of Soviet style dictatorship, most people just want a system that isn't morally bankrupt like the present one.



posted on Nov, 21 2011 @ 02:25 PM
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I'm curious what your example of a true communist nation is, OP. The majority of the so-called 'communist' regimes that we have seen in the last 100 or so years have not been communist-most have been fascist.



posted on Nov, 21 2011 @ 02:25 PM
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You are correct that China is only prosperous where it cast off communism in favor of capitalistic practice. There is really no way for communism to prosper. It runs contrary to human nature. But do not confuse the effect of the totalitarian political system with the economic system of communism although the two often run in parallel.

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posted on Nov, 21 2011 @ 02:28 PM
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True communism as envisioned by Marx has never been implemented. The example you use 'Russia' rapidly became a Cult of Personality under Stalin. China's form of communism was just an authoritarian police state. no country has ever managed real communism. The actual theory is very fair and utopian but its us that are the problem. Marx was probably hundreds of years ahead of his time, maybe some future generation can make his ideas a reality.



posted on Nov, 21 2011 @ 02:32 PM
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Originally posted by jcord
You are correct that China is only prosperous where it cast off communism in favor of capitalistic practice. There is really no way for communism to prosper. It runs contrary to human nature. But do not confuse the effect of the totalitarian political system with the economic system of communism although the two often run in parallel.

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Its not communist China is Authoritarian
giving it the ability to do whatever it feels it has to when it wants or has to
for better or worse
That is why their central bank is the only government owned and controlled central bank of any developed nation
They are large and in charge




posted on Nov, 21 2011 @ 03:08 PM
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Originally posted by captaintyinknots
I'm curious what your example of a true communist nation is, OP. The majority of the so-called 'communist' regimes that we have seen in the last 100 or so years have not been communist-most have been
fascist.


this is the usual cop out by people who seem to have some childhood crush on communism, call it "fascist" in reality.


There can never be "true" communism outside of a textbook, so the examples of communism in reality are real tangible examples of communism once it leaps from a textbook..........


*shakes head*



posted on Nov, 21 2011 @ 03:26 PM
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Originally posted by blueorder

Originally posted by captaintyinknots
I'm curious what your example of a true communist nation is, OP. The majority of the so-called 'communist' regimes that we have seen in the last 100 or so years have not been communist-most have been
fascist.


this is the usual cop out by people who seem to have some childhood crush on communism, call it "fascist" in reality.


There can never be "true" communism outside of a textbook, so the examples of communism in reality are real tangible examples of communism once it leaps from a textbook..........


*shakes head*




Childish crush on communism??? Thanks for that, got me to actually laugh out loud. Needed that today.

Explain to me where I 'copped out'....oh wait, you cant, because I didnt. I simply pointed out a FACT. I'm sorry if those pesky little things are too much for ya.....

In all, all you had to say was that you can't give an example of communism, as it hasnt existed. Coulda saved yourself a few keystrokes there.

The fact of the matter is that communism, socialism, and fascism are very different things. You should try learning about them a bit.
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posted on Nov, 21 2011 @ 03:54 PM
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Originally posted by captaintyinknots

Originally posted by blueorder

Originally posted by captaintyinknots
I'm curious what your example of a true communist nation is, OP. The majority of the so-called 'communist' regimes that we have seen in the last 100 or so years have not been communist-most have been
fascist.


this is the usual cop out by people who seem to have some childhood crush on communism, call it "fascist" in reality.


There can never be "true" communism outside of a textbook, so the examples of communism in reality are real tangible examples of communism once it leaps from a textbook..........


*shakes head*




Childish crush on communism??? Thanks for that, got me to actually laugh out loud. Needed that today.

Explain to me where I 'copped out'....oh wait, you cant, because I didnt. I simply pointed out a FACT. I'm sorry if those pesky little things are too much for ya.....

In all, all you had to say was that you can't give an example of communism, as it hasnt existed. Coulda saved yourself a few keystrokes there.

The fact of the matter is that communism, socialism, and fascism are very different things. You should try learning about them a bit.
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you are mistaken there fella, these ARE examples of communism outside of textbook, do try and keep up- there is no such thing as "TRUE" communism, this only exists in text books, so the examples of communism we have referenced are valid examples of communism in the hands of man, not just as words.

Yeah, sure you don't have a secret crush, methinks you doth protest too much! ;-)



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