A message for OWS! - DO NOT GET VIOLENT

Originally posted by Snoopy1978
I wonder how long can people sit peacefully and allow pigs to mace them in the face execution-style. How long can men watch peaceful women dragged by the hair and beaten in the stomach with clubs? How long can people peaceably watch as one of their own is maliciously and unexpectedly pushed off a 4ft ledge as it happened at the Dallas Occupy? When will people lose their temper as a vet is shot point blank in the head causing brain damage? Will people be less pacified as cops throw more tear gas canisters at children, elderly, and the handicapped? How long will people control their rage as police throw concussion granades into crowds trying to help the injured?

These will be regarded as saints in the annals of history.

Originally posted by Snoopy1978
Let us not forget that Gandhi worked wonders for the English as he pacified India's militants and let the occupiers introduce a puppet ruler. I seriously wonder if the founding fathers would have agreed with Gandhi's strategy and how we are handling the current police state. Did the 60's protests with its Gandhi-style, nonviolent, "peace and love" mantra achieve anything of measure or did things actually get worse as a whole for the US?

Gandhi's mission was but one step in Man's continual march to freedom. Ask a man of color who lived during the 60's how much was gained. The US enjoys a life of luxury unparalleled in many parts of the world.

Originally posted by Snoopy1978
For the anti-ows, I do not speak for ows or propose violence just things to ponder about.

A violent regime which overthrows a violent regime is STILL a violent regime.

Just something to ponder.

And yes, the founders of this country were a violent regime. Ask a slave.

With Love,

Your Brother

reply to post by IAMIAM


A life of luxury, sure compared to slums anywhere else. This kind of exceptionalism is killing us. The majority of countries in the world enjoy the same luxuries the US has and even more. Of course, virtually all countries have slums, dangerous areas and homelessness just as the US has them too. Take a trip to inner Harlem at night or your local ghetto then do some chest pounding about luxuries. Have you ever travelled outside of the US?

Agree completely with your two other points btw.

Originally posted by Snoopy1978
reply to post by IAMIAM

 

A life of luxury, sure compared to slums anywhere else. This kind of exceptionalism is killing us. The majority of countries in the world enjoy the same luxuries the US has and even more. Of course, virtually all countries have slums, dangerous areas and homelessness just as the US has them too. Take a trip to inner Harlem at night or your local ghetto then do some chest pounding about luxuries. Have you ever travelled outside of the US?

I was born and raised in the slums of Baltimore Maryland my friend. I have walked through the projects, seen the ghettos, and know of our own destitution. However, I have also toured the world and seen the true definition of poverty and know that it is the militaristic Empire of my own country that empowers puppet dictators who keep their people down that their resources can be exploited and the few made wealthy.

I am not American. That is a shameful title to me. I am Man and the world is my Brotherhood. Together, I know we can do so much better. We have the talent, we have the technology, and by God it is our birth right.

We are Man. It is our duty to each other, as a species, to help one another live in prosperity.

To do less is to live in a continual state of war as the have not's fight to gain a little slice of what the have's have.

With Love,

Your Brother

reply to post by IAMIAM

A violent regime which overthrows a violent regime is STILL a violent regime.

What exactly are you calling the Founding Fathers along with Americans who fought for Independence? Since you're painting in broad strokes... Get after some general labeling!

Originally posted by Americanist
reply to post by IAMIAM

 

A violent regime which overthrows a violent regime is STILL a violent regime.

What exactly are you calling the Founding Fathers along with Americans who fought for Independence? Since you're painting in broad strokes... Get after some general labeling!

I am calling them a violent regime. I didn't think I left room for confusion in that.

Are we not STILL a violent regime?

With Love,

Your Brother

reply to post by sir_slide


You appear to be in denial?

From the beginning I've made it clear I support peaceful, lawful protest first of all. Most people do in fact. You started at something like 78% support and dropped under 20% last week.

Problem is your not being honest about who is involved and where the support is coming from. No sense in posting the list yet again, it's no secret that the classic Socialist, Marxist, Leninist and Communist groups are not only taking over, you're taking their money. The source of that money is often directly from the so called 1% and clearly identifies you as simply being the Far Left in the Democratic Party. A large number of the wealthiest 1% pay the way for all those groups and the wealthiest Party per-capita has been the Democrats for over a decade now. Hardly a secret.

Add to that you seem to do nothing about the anarchists who show up at anything involving the Far Left Radical Agenda to play.

Camping out is not protest it's a party. Why pretend otherwise. Protestors go home and come back the next day, they don't take over public places, deny others their equal right to use them and there is no plus to blocking roads or bridges. Your Rights only extend to the point they interfere with others Rights and I think you know that, but pretend not too.

There has most certainly been bad behavior on the authorities side. How do you expect them to act when you allow the anarchists to run wild in your protests, while committing crimes and having a big party. We know that when protests are organized that the authorities help them, but this has been a total mess ran by idiots.

There have been plenty of effective protests involving far larger numbers than this one who had no problems at all. But then those were conducted by rational people. They not only had zero issues with the Police, the Police helped them willingly.

All you can do now that the thugs are running the show is pack it in and try another way. It would also be a good idea if you did not get involved with people who are in bed with the people you claim to be against. Everyone thinks your all illiterate and a bit off your rockers.

That loser Michael Moore is not helpful either. Two fabulous homes and tens of millions in the bank from the entertainment industry. There simply is no purer form of Capitalists than celebrities. We've been laughing at them for the obvious nonsense for years. I've been waiting for somebody to ask him if everyone working on his films were paid equally and he shared all profits equally. If he did not, he's a double phony.

It's all about power. Those groups who own your movement now are in it for money and power, period end of subject. Disorganized messes are easy to take over. That's why they are there to begin with. They don't give a damn about any movement, they just use that to trick kids into doing things for them.

reply to post by sir_slide


"Those who make a peaceful revolution impossible make a violent revolution inevitable." J.F.K.

Originally posted by IAMIAM

Originally posted by Americanist
reply to post by IAMIAM

 

A violent regime which overthrows a violent regime is STILL a violent regime.

What exactly are you calling the Founding Fathers along with Americans who fought for Independence? Since you're painting in broad strokes... Get after some general labeling!

I am calling them a violent regime. I didn't think I left room for confusion in that.

Are we not STILL a violent regime?

With Love,

Your Brother

A popular stance these days given our defense department plus intelligent agencies have been hijacked by corporate interests. Far from actual truth though. We've been home to dissenters and refugees escaping death and dismemberment in almost every part of the World. From El Salvador to China... North Korea and Iraq. That's recent history. If you go back even further, you'll realize our foundation is part principle - part sacrifice. You might call the fight in a man violent, but when that fight measures over centuries for the purpose of establishing freedom for generations to come... I call that divinely inspired.

Originally posted by TheRedP1LL
reply to post by sir_slide

 

"Those who make a peaceful revolution impossible make a violent revolution inevitable." J.F.K.

Along with...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by TheRedP1LL
reply to post by sir_slide

 

"Those who make a peaceful revolution impossible make a violent revolution inevitable." J.F.K.

Problem is that peaceful revolution is possible. You don't want it.

Over and over again its been proven that peaceful protest is the most effective. Why keep lying to yourself? Nobody else is buying it.

First you have to have a defined cause beyond give me some, I want it.

The movement destroyed itself. Kids demanding handouts is just kids demanding handouts. That's not a movement, it's a temper tantrum and convenient cover for violent thugs.

Originally posted by Blaine91555

Originally posted by TheRedP1LL
reply to post by sir_slide

 

"Those who make a peaceful revolution impossible make a violent revolution inevitable." J.F.K.

Problem is that peaceful revolution is possible. You don't want it.

Over and over again its been proven that peaceful protest is the most effective. Why keep lying to yourself? Nobody else is buying it.

First you have to have a defined cause beyond give me some, I want it.

The movement destroyed itself. Kids demanding handouts is just kids demanding handouts. That's not a movement, it's a temper tantrum and convenient cover for violent thugs.

Tell that to the Roman Catholic Church, or Henry the VIII, or the Sudanese, the Egyptians, Syrians, North Koreans, Chinese, the guerrillas in Dafur, or heck... Tell that to your Dad who I'm sure had to smack some sense into you. Too bad it all went up in smoke.

Originally posted by Americanist
A popular stance these days given our defense department plus intelligent agencies have been hijacked by corporate interests. Far from actual truth though. We've been home to dissenters and refugees escaping death and dismemberment in almost every part of the World. From El Salvador to China... North Korea and Iraq. That's recent history. If you go back even further, you'll realize our foundation is part principle - part sacrifice. You might call the fight in a man violent, but when that fight measures over centuries for the purpose of establishing freedom for generations to come... I call that divinely inspired.

America was founded on corporate interests. America IS a corporation and it has always sacrificed it's citizenry for the corporation.

As far as establishing freedom, I do not think the indigenous tribes felt the welcoming hand of freedom from their new arrivals.

History has been written to paint a pretty picture my friend, but the blood in the soil paints a very different tale.

Regardless, it is all behind us. What we have NOW is what we are dealing with.

If you really feel violence is the way, then walk it. I rule no one. I am only sharing advice. If it is worthless, then leave it.

With Love,

Your Brother

Originally posted by Americanist

Originally posted by Blaine91555

Originally posted by TheRedP1LL
reply to post by sir_slide

 

"Those who make a peaceful revolution impossible make a violent revolution inevitable." J.F.K.

Problem is that peaceful revolution is possible. You don't want it.

Over and over again its been proven that peaceful protest is the most effective. Why keep lying to yourself? Nobody else is buying it.

First you have to have a defined cause beyond give me some, I want it.

The movement destroyed itself. Kids demanding handouts is just kids demanding handouts. That's not a movement, it's a temper tantrum and convenient cover for violent thugs.

Tell that to the Roman Catholic Church, or Henry the VIII, or the Sudanese, the Egyptians, Syrians, North Koreans, Chinese, the guerrillas in Dafur, or heck... Tell that to your Dad who I'm sure had to smack some sense into you. Too bad it all went up in smoke.

Thank you for proving my point so well. Your not fooling anyone. That you would equate this to those things is pretty telling.

Let me guess, Marx, Lenin,Stalin and Mao, right? How did that work out for the people? Can't feed them just slaughter them right? They don't agree with you kill them? They want to be free, slaughter them?

Met to many of you when your hero's tried to take over the Vietnam War protests. Phonies all. Power mad nuts who had no trouble hurting innocent people who get in their way. Only your Rights matter and only what you want matters. That and being the center of attention. Not enough of you to do anything on your own.

Luckily you are so small in number, you simply don't matter. Most of you end up in prison by 30 anyway.

On Topic-
To the real protestors who meant well, my sympathies are with you, but you let them take over. Remember that.

Originally posted by IAMIAM

Originally posted by Americanist
A popular stance these days given our defense department plus intelligent agencies have been hijacked by corporate interests. Far from actual truth though. We've been home to dissenters and refugees escaping death and dismemberment in almost every part of the World. From El Salvador to China... North Korea and Iraq. That's recent history. If you go back even further, you'll realize our foundation is part principle - part sacrifice. You might call the fight in a man violent, but when that fight measures over centuries for the purpose of establishing freedom for generations to come... I call that divinely inspired.

America was founded on corporate interests. America IS a corporation and it has always sacrificed it's citizenry for the corporation.

As far as establishing freedom, I do not think the indigenous tribes felt the welcoming hand of freedom from their new arrivals.

History has been written to paint a pretty picture my friend, but the blood in the soil paints a very different tale.

Regardless, it is all behind us. What we have NOW is what we are dealing with.

If you really feel violence is the way, then walk it. I rule no one. I am only sharing advice. If it is worthless, then leave it.

With Love,

Your Brother

Since you brought it up... Monarchies as well as feudal societies run rampant throughout history. Yes, even the Dalai Lama in Tibetan history. This Nation faced its own condensed versions. The United States didn't "incorporate" until the late 1800's. As far as banking goes... Another story. The genocide of Native Americans coincided with land grabs. It doesn't take much effort to distinguish between the puppets and the puppeteers of this World.

If you wish to delve further into conversation, I'm able to blend militaristic training with extended drug use and addict tendencies. I recall the latter you indulged in for prolonged periods of time. It shows... I can assure you.

Originally posted by Blaine91555

Originally posted by Americanist

Originally posted by Blaine91555

Originally posted by TheRedP1LL
reply to post by sir_slide

 

"Those who make a peaceful revolution impossible make a violent revolution inevitable." J.F.K.

Problem is that peaceful revolution is possible. You don't want it.

Over and over again its been proven that peaceful protest is the most effective. Why keep lying to yourself? Nobody else is buying it.

First you have to have a defined cause beyond give me some, I want it.

The movement destroyed itself. Kids demanding handouts is just kids demanding handouts. That's not a movement, it's a temper tantrum and convenient cover for violent thugs.

Tell that to the Roman Catholic Church, or Henry the VIII, or the Sudanese, the Egyptians, Syrians, North Koreans, Chinese, the guerrillas in Dafur, or heck... Tell that to your Dad who I'm sure had to smack some sense into you. Too bad it all went up in smoke.

Thank you for proving my point so well. Your not fooling anyone. That you would equate this to those things is pretty telling.

Let me guess, Marx, Lenin,Stalin and Mao, right? How did that work out for the people? Can't feed them just slaughter them right? They don't agree with you kill them? They want to be free, slaughter them?

Met to many of you when your hero's tried to take over the Vietnam War protests. Phonies all. Power mad nuts who had no trouble hurting innocent people who get in their way. Only your Rights matter and only what you want matters. That and being the center of attention. Not enough of you to do anything on your own.

Luckily you are so small in number, you simply don't matter. Most of you end up in prison by 30 anyway.

On Topic-
To the real protestors who meant well, my sympathies are with you, but you let them take over. Remember that.

edit on 11/21/2011 by Blaine91555 because: (no reason given)

Equate really? The movements in Tiananmen Square and Tahrir Square began just as peaceful. Oh, you mean how different societies are? Ok, we don't have the same leaders, but military/ police training is roughly the same everywhere you go. You can rest assured the same banking cartels are in control. Don't fool yourself. If you're trying to make a point I missed... God bless us both. Your writing loosely resembled a rant and not much else.


You should realize Vietnam was deceptiveness from its inception which led to the deaths of 60k + US soldiers and countless victims on the other side.

Originally posted by Americanist
If you wish to delve further into conversation, I'm able to blend militaristic training with extended drug use and addict tendencies. I recall the latter you indulged in for prolonged periods of time. It shows... I can assure you.

I say no to drugs. My preference is for those things God gave us. You know, herbs and plants. I have quite a bit of military training as well, but we stray oh so far off topic.

I have said my peace, and the conversation is straying far from reason.

I am not your enemy. Don't make me out to be.

With Love,

Your Brother

reply to post by Expat888


I agree with you totally Expat888, that everyone has choice in the surface... But as we know sometimes people have no choice.... and whatever changing right now I really do hope for a better... We all know large crowd have large amount of energy and if those energy are redirected into negativity, even small fluctuation can become big... is just like saying small fire are showered by gasoline.... So I hope anyone pay attention to those who are shouting very loud and confidence, it may sounds as an encouragement for something good but do pay attention on his/her motivation also the repercussion.... remember everything can be a double edge sword... So cheers

Originally posted by Americanist
Have you ever heard of an outhouse?I'd invite you to think before you speak, but... Too late.[

Originally posted by Americanist
Tell that to your Dad who I'm sure had to smack some sense into you. Too bad it all went up in smoke.

I'm seeing a pattern. People post facts and solid information and then you come back with nothing but off topic personal insults (against T&C) . I'll say it again ... that's the pattern of someone who has nothing to offer a conversation and it's a sign of desperation.

Interesting how some on the liberal far left can't handle facts and can't handle freedom of speech for others when those facts don't line up with their own far-left thought process.

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by Americanist
Have you ever heard of an outhouse?I'd invite you to think before you speak, but... Too late.[

Originally posted by Americanist
Tell that to your Dad who I'm sure had to smack some sense into you. Too bad it all went up in smoke.

I'm seeing a pattern. People post facts and solid information and then you come back with nothing but off topic personal insults (against T&C) . I'll say it again ... that's the pattern of someone who has nothing to offer a conversation and it's a sign of desperation.

Interesting how some on the liberal far left can't handle facts and can't handle freedom of speech for others when those facts don't line up with their own far-left thought process.

Where's Seth Meyers when you need him. Really? You slam the homeless for crapping on cars when OWS themselves aren't even allowed generators for heating. I mention outhouses because those are still around. They just don't seem to be authorized either. You know, the 99% are also the drifters and bums who piss on news stands to get their point across with mainstream media. Perhaps they should all quit as governor, start a reality show, have someone write a book on their behalf, and resort to playground politics behind a podium. The pattern I'm seeing is perpetual debt laced with foreclosures, squatting (not #2), and serfdom.