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posted on Nov, 21 2011 @ 02:33 AM
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there is a theory that Scientology is an organization that not only blackmails celebrities but also helps the cover up secrets they have. Travolta for example abruptly became a scientologist after a gay porn star claimed to have had a long term relationship with the actor. After he joined the accuser dropped his claim and travolta married his wife who was another scientologist. the organization is so powerful in Hollywood that it can squash rumors and perceived damaging stories for their clients/members.




posted on Nov, 21 2011 @ 02:39 AM
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Fundementally, all religions are pretty much the same today.
Who cares what he believed, how can you say that god didnt tell him to write it? I do research the origins of religions and no religion has a believable origin.
Why are you talking about atheists and stalin?
If you are christian, please take time to properly investigate the origins of the bible.



posted on Nov, 21 2011 @ 02:40 AM
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Makes a lot of sense, but if scientology can find out the dirt how come other people cant?



posted on Nov, 21 2011 @ 02:44 AM
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Originally posted by drock905
there is a theory that Scientology is an organization that not only blackmails celebrities but also helps the cover up secrets they have. Travolta for example abruptly became a scientologist after a gay porn star claimed to have had a long term relationship with the actor. After he joined the accuser dropped his claim and travolta married his wife who was another scientologist. the organization is so powerful in Hollywood that it can squash rumors and perceived damaging stories for their clients/members.
So scientologists used the porn star as an undercover officer? Makes a lot of sense and when you think about it, would be the easiest way to do what they are said to do.
Did they get so powerfull in hollywood doing the same thing tho? Or is there something else behind their roots in the city.



posted on Nov, 21 2011 @ 02:49 AM
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......but if scientology can find out the dirt how come other people cant?


I don't know the answer. Good question to think it through, better.

Maybe it's about the implied threat of using the knowledge? ("dirt")??



posted on Nov, 21 2011 @ 02:50 AM
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I think there's something about the structure/beliefs of Scientology that appeals to celebrities and egomaniacs. The idea that you can buy your way to special knowledge and have 'special' status and power, seems to be something that would interest the wealthy who already have everything else.



posted on Nov, 21 2011 @ 02:52 AM
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Possibly zeroed in and "nail-on-the-head" there, snus!




posted on Nov, 21 2011 @ 03:04 AM
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Originally posted by snusfanatic
reply to post by WakeUpRiseUp
 


I think there's something about the structure/beliefs of Scientology that appeals to celebrities and egomaniacs. The idea that you can buy your way to special knowledge and have 'special' status and power, seems to be something that would interest the wealthy who already have everything else.
I agree that for a few of the celebs this would be the case; and you summed up their psychology perfectly. But I think that they don’t even breathe without someone saying they can do it first. They may look like they have the perfect life but in actual fact they are a product and image worth billions of dollars. People have too much interest in that product to let it ruin the image by supporting something condemned by society.



posted on Nov, 21 2011 @ 04:33 AM
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Don't blame the pope for someone else's problems.

And no, not every religion's goals are to make money Most religions get by perfectly fine without any great level of worth. Once again, don't mix apples and oranges. Islam and protestant Christianity are perhaps one of the least organized and least wealthy religions on Earth. Yet they are the largest.


Scientology is a gimmick to make money. That's all it is. Celebrities who were close to failure joined it, because desperate people seek faith in something.

There is no conspiracy. It's just a cult of the emperor religion.



posted on Nov, 21 2011 @ 04:37 AM
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Hello.

I see that you are trying to draw lines, and if were going really hardcore conspiracy, maybe there could have been something, but I do not think there is something to it.

This reminds me of the South Park episode that was posted earlier in this topic, and they actually describe this "cult" as good as it gets, even though it's meant to be humor, the whole thing is kind of funny after all.

If you want to know my theory why the celebrities join this "cult", is that this "cult" want to help others to get their knowledge about life, if people pay for it, and celebrities got loads of money, they see this "cult" as an easy way for a meaning in their life, their money give's them a shortcut and an advantage, they just keep on giving more money, and then get more knowledge about scientology.

Now they might not realize it themselves, but we on the outside do.

|.SLO7H.|



posted on Nov, 21 2011 @ 04:42 AM
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Interesting.....you get it right, with this:


They may look like they have the perfect life but in actual fact they are a product and image worth billions of dollars.


Of course, for any one performer (and his/her agent, ready to rake in the 15%) it is about what he/she can earn, on any future project. And what the 'agent' may be able to negotiate. Back-room and what is in the business called "back-end" deals aside......



People have too much interest in that product to let it ruin the image by supporting something condemned by society.


I believe you may be underestimating the power of the so-called "church of $cientology".

Delve into the "church" a bit more deeply (is that poor English? Who cares??).........

To paraphrase a movie line......"Follow The Money!"..



posted on Nov, 21 2011 @ 05:13 AM
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That is the part I do not understand. How so many "inteligent" people, just forget Ron's words about, if you want to make money, start a religion!



posted on Nov, 21 2011 @ 05:21 AM
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Originally posted by Gorman91
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Don't blame the pope for someone else's problems.

And no, not every religion's goals are to make money Most religions get by perfectly fine without any great level of worth. Once again, don't mix apples and oranges. Islam and protestant Christianity are perhaps one of the least organized and least wealthy religions on Earth. Yet they are the largest.


Scientology is a gimmick to make money. That's all it is. Celebrities who were close to failure joined it, because desperate people seek faith in something.

There is no conspiracy. It's just a cult of the emperor religion.
So should I not blame the CEO if his business goes down the drain? Same thing.
Yes, every religions goal is that. Why do you think the vatican sits on billions of dollars but still continues to ask for donations?
These religions are extremley wealthy, how else do you think they get away with all their crimes against humanity?
Please explain to me how scientology is different from any other religion?



posted on Nov, 21 2011 @ 05:28 AM
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Originally posted by SLO7H
Hello.

I see that you are trying to draw lines, and if were going really hardcore conspiracy, maybe there could have been something, but I do not think there is something to it.

This reminds me of the South Park episode that was posted earlier in this topic, and they actually describe this "cult" as good as it gets, even though it's meant to be humor, the whole thing is kind of funny after all.

If you want to know my theory why the celebrities join this "cult", is that this "cult" want to help others to get their knowledge about life, if people pay for it, and celebrities got loads of money, they see this "cult" as an easy way for a meaning in their life, their money give's them a shortcut and an advantage, they just keep on giving more money, and then get more knowledge about scientology.

Now they might not realize it themselves, but we on the outside do.

|.SLO7H.|
Well theres always something to it, just dont know what. I proposed a theory but didnt claim it as fact.
Yeah I guess its a bit like 'what present do you buy the person who already has something'. That would be right for some of them, but not all; so theres still other reasons. Anyway they have the masons for that.



posted on Nov, 21 2011 @ 05:31 AM
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Hmm, I've always thought that for a lot of the big celebs there is more then just an agent reaping profit; I look at them like puppets, but cant see the puppet master.
From what I can find out their power doesnt go much past blackmailing but I still think that groups like this are in tptb's intrest. So where theres smoke....
I always follow the money, but thats the thing; who knows whos making the big money in the church of scientology.



posted on Nov, 21 2011 @ 05:34 AM
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Originally posted by ProudBird
reply to post by WakeUpRiseUp[

The basic term that most likely applies, in regards to the wealthy $cientology spokespeople is summed up in one word:

BLACKMAIL.




I have to agree with this conclusion.
The one thing that leads me to this, is the situation with Nicole Kidman.
She always appeared to be a nice, caring person, a good mother, supportive wife etc.
The fact that she took such a HUGE step back from Isabelle & Conners (Their two adopted children) life,never sat right with me.
Along with the move back home to Australia, it was like she had been threatened (with what I can only speculate) & couldn't get far enough away from her former life.
Add to this her opinions on Scientology weren't complimentary.
Just doesn't add up..
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posted on Nov, 21 2011 @ 06:46 AM
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It is a simple fact that Scientology is not a religion, it is in fact a cult, money making enterprise. The Cult was introduced by its founder who used a book he wrote to found the Cult of Scientology. And there has been numerous deaths related to the Cult of Scientology and their practices.

Also with regards to their critics, one term they use, it is called fair game. If you criticize them for any reason they will hound you, send leaflets, false information to your neighbors, they tear apart families, if you have a wife and children who are involved also with the cult. And you decide to leave, but they decide to stay.

You are cut off from them. They are not allowed any communication, with you what so ever.

Also there are twelve levels supposingly. But before you get to that golden level, you better make sure you have a wack of money in the bank. You will see your money dwindle down each level you gain.

Also some ask how do they find out all the background information about an individual. They are conniving, they say what ever they ask you is not being recorded, and is confidential. Anything you tell them, even your darkest secrets. They record it and keep a hold of it. Until you decide to leave. then they use that against you,.

Anyone wonder the real reason behind why Nicole Kidman split up from Tom Cruise?



posted on Nov, 21 2011 @ 06:46 AM
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I'm glad people have already posted the South Park "Scientology" clips...
I think to get to the truth of how and why celebrity members join, all we need to do is watch another South Park episode entitled "Trapped in the Closet".
Both Tom Cruise and John Travolta are prominently featured as being closeted homosexuals. Although L. Ron Hubbard had wives, he also enjoyed mansex immensely. Coincidence?!?



posted on Nov, 21 2011 @ 06:49 AM
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And a coincidence Hubberts Son committed suicide.

Also the other related suicide death which has not been proven, but has mysterious links to scientology.

Also the allegations with regards to that David What ever his face is. And the way he treated the volunteers/staff at the Head Office Of scientology.

Also has anyone seen the way they react to critics and protestors who challenge them? If you have not let me know I will post some footage of the way they react.

Come on does anyone really think we all came from Xenu? And we were all flung into a volcano?


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posted on Nov, 21 2011 @ 06:52 AM
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

One only needs to look at the new religions of today, to realize how ignorant and silly the religions of yesterday are. It's kind of ironic to have people dicuss the church of scientology like it's some cult, yet turn around and go to church every Sunday, or believe in the Bible and Jesus etc.

It's no different than any other religion, it's a money making ponzie scheme that preys on the weak and the easily confused or convinced. Personal religion is fine, I have no issues with, but when you begin to "organize" that religion, you've really missed the point of spirituality in general.

Sorry folks, but you won't find me stating that Scientology is any weirder than any of the other religious cults that exist today. Those who are a part of these organizations, are being mighty big hypocrites.

~Keeper



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