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posted on Nov, 21 2011 @ 10:40 AM
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Originally posted by Acidtastic

Originally posted by macman

Originally posted by Acidtastic

Originally posted by Athin

Originally posted by Hillarie
Why don't they just clear the F*** out like they're supposed to? I think they want the cops to get violent so they can feel like martyrs. They're shytting in the streets and spreading disease and blocking the flow of day to day life and people are SICK OF IT. Go home already!!!! These idiots don't even know what they're there for.

It's not like the 60's AT ALL. They were protesting a horrible war that was killing tens of thousands of American soldiers and Viet Namese civilians for seemingly no good reason. At least they had a reason for what they were doing. These idiots are just hanging out because they have nothing to do. GO HOME!!


They do know what they're there for

They want to tax the rich even more when half the country doesn't even pay income tax.
They want their tuition paid for by the wealthy.
They want jobs to be handed to them.
They want to end capitalism while at the same time using their iphones, ipads and sony handycams
They want there fair share without having to work hard to get it.

Shame on you for thinking there is no reason to protest
wow, my 9 year old nephew knows more about the occupy movement than you do


And your proud of that?

There is the issue.
Lose of priorities.
Actually yes i am. he asked why I had "occupy everything" written down the plaster cast on my leg, and I told him. He's a bright lad and when I said about companies and their power in goverments, swaying decisions to go to war killing people for money ect, he knew that it is a bad thing. and seemed pleased that people were trying to stop it. I will be proud if he grows up with these kinds of priorities, as i know his mum will.


So a foreigner weighing in on US issues.


I am sad to say, but I think he is being educated for failure.
But, that is your issue and an issue for those in your country, so do as you like.



posted on Nov, 21 2011 @ 10:42 AM
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News flash, the United States of America is not the only country having occupy protests. 82 countries and over 1000 cities, is not just a US movement. Your "argument" fails.



posted on Nov, 21 2011 @ 10:44 AM
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President Obama had to take out a +Billion loan and use the 2014 Food Stamp Funds as collateral......to give the money to States to pay their police/teachers. That was 2010.


If there is no more money Congress can use the Constitution where it says money/debt used to put down an insurrection ....can't be challenged....denied.

Ole Soros creates Insurrection with Communist Party members and Unions.....whoo hooo...swimming in free money. Police get paid.

Haven't you figured out the racket yet?



posted on Nov, 21 2011 @ 10:48 AM
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DOH
edit on 11/21/2011 by -W1LL because: misread



posted on Nov, 21 2011 @ 10:49 AM
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also DOH

edit on 21/11/2011 by Acidtastic because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 21 2011 @ 10:51 AM
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Originally posted by Acidtastic
News flash, the United States of America is not the only country having occupy protests. 82 countries and over 1000 cities, is not just a US movement. Your "argument" fails.


Don't really care what other people do in other countries.
Not my problem.



posted on Nov, 21 2011 @ 10:52 AM
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so why post or even read ...
BTW your military is in other countries right now do you not care what is happening ?



posted on Nov, 21 2011 @ 10:54 AM
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Originally posted by macman

Originally posted by Acidtastic
News flash, the United States of America is not the only country having occupy protests. 82 countries and over 1000 cities, is not just a US movement. Your "argument" fails.


Don't really care what other people do in other countries.
Not my problem.
Yeah and? You think that the Occupy thing is a US movement, you've just shown up your total ignorance on the matter. You accuse me of being a forgiener weighing in on US issues, you're so very wrong I facepalmed myself into next week.



posted on Nov, 21 2011 @ 10:56 AM
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I care, thats why I think these protests are stupid...

Obstruction of justice is still obstruction.



posted on Nov, 21 2011 @ 10:57 AM
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Originally posted by -W1LL

I would hope that you would not be so dense to see that UNARMED CITIZENS are being bloodied by our very own people that we pay to protect us. we are not in control never have been.


"Unarmed" my ass. A mob is a weapon itself. YOU stand in front of an unimpeded stampede and see how long it takes to get trampled. You're right, though WE pay them to protect us.

Not OWS.



protesting is not Illegal it is our right im sorry if you're mad about traffic of litter on the street get out there and stop it address you grievance to OWS maybe youll get heard. but if you're not out there nothing will change.


No, "protesting" is not illegal, and "protesting" is not what they are being arrested for. Taking it beyond boundaries is. I don't much give a rats ass about the litter, and I'm not cleaning it up - I didn't put it there to begin with, and there's no point in going and cleaning up behind children until you teach them how to clean up after themselves.

I was NOT heard at the local OWS gathering. Evidently they didn't want to hear what I had to say, so that's fine. After all, it's THEIR mob, not mine. "99%" my ass. Maybe I'm just too old or something?

Plenty will change, whether I'm "out there" or not. Change is inevitable - happens all the time. It's not going to be positive change coming from OWS until and unless they get their act together.



OWS does not have any one goal there are many and they are always changing.


And right there is part of the problem. It's an exercise in short attention span theater with too many targets for effectively bringing pressure to bear on any single one. It's too "scattered" to take effect.




... edited for brevity ...


as it says the goals are ever changing so why not add you're grievance you are the 99%


1) I am NOT "the 99%", nor am I "the 1%". I see no particular reason to allow myself to be herded and co-opted into the polarities that OWS is attempting to define and impose. I am neither a tool of the "elite" nor a tool of the "proletariat". The rest of the Tools in the shed can decide for themselves who they want controlling them.

2) If I can't get heard in my grievances concerning the non-functionality of OWS itself, WHY would I try to inject the rest of my grievances into a non-functioning (or worse yet, malfunctioning) machine?




edit on 2011/11/21 by nenothtu because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 21 2011 @ 11:01 AM
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Originally posted by -W1LL
reply to post by macman
 


so why post or even read ...
BTW your military is in other countries right now do you not care what is happening ?


I want my military brothers and sisters home and not fighting for other peoples rights or problems.

Let the ME and other countries burn for all I care.



posted on Nov, 21 2011 @ 11:01 AM
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Originally posted by -W1LL
I would like for you to watch some protests from the 60's vietnam era in history and just observe.






This thread is simply trying to play on peoples emotions. There is no real comparison between the Vietnam War era Protesters and OWS! As has already been pointed out earlier. The 60s generation who protested the wars did so to stop the killing not for Government supplied freebies.

Not only that but, They are now older and are the ones who are in authority positions within the Government and Corporations.


This thread is a Travesty and an Insult to those who died at Kent state who died for what they believed in. [Ending the Wars and Less Government in their lives] I still haven't seen too many OWS protesters carrying signs opposing the Wars. But I see plenty making demands for more socialist handouts which will create Bigger Government.

Apples and Oranges IMO.
Sorry OP, you do not get a pass...



posted on Nov, 21 2011 @ 11:01 AM
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Soooo.... Not all protestors are rioters, yet all cops use excessive force and routinely beat people.

Respectfully, that is what I got from your post.

Try this -
Pretend you are a police officer standing in line with 50 other officers to your left and right. You look forward into a sea of thousands of people yelling, moving about etc. That behavior is fine, its protesting.

Now, you see the crowd coming close, and you start to get pelted with beer bottles, rocks, paint, paint cans, urine, etc etc etc.

There are 2 choices - move forward and attempt to locate and engage the people who are throwing those items / performing those actions keeping in mind the moment you advance you have just escalated the situation to a potential deadly force encounter due to the sheer number of people that now surround you.

The other choice is to employ pepper spray, pepperball guns (modified paintball guns) tear gas and flash bangs in order to get the group to back off.

The ability of an officer to employ deadly force while standing in a line is very low. That ability and justification to use deadly force rises significantly if the officer moves forward and is surrounded by the crowd.

Remeber, the use of force by the police is reviewed in the realm of what did the officer perceive the exact moment for was used. Hindsight 20/20 cannot be used as a factor for judging those actions (Supreme Court Ruling).



posted on Nov, 21 2011 @ 11:02 AM
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I want that pic!!!!!

Post of the week.



posted on Nov, 21 2011 @ 11:04 AM
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Originally posted by macman

Originally posted by -W1LL
reply to post by macman
 


so why post or even read ...
BTW your military is in other countries right now do you not care what is happening ?


I want my military brothers and sisters home and not fighting for other peoples rights or problems.


Oi you, stop saying things I agree with




posted on Nov, 21 2011 @ 11:09 AM
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Originally posted by macman

What was the Govt offices held locally?
The Pres has nothing to do with deployment of the national guard.
The Gov does.
But, who was in charge locally that allowed the crap to grow to what it became?


By "locally" do you mean the Mayor of Kent?

At state level, the Governor was James Rhodes, a Republican. He's the one who ordered the Guard in.

I lived near there at the time (in Boston Heights, northern edge of Summit County), and had reason to be visiting the University campus, but not that day. I had been to Kent the weekend before this incident, while one side was desperately trying to burn everything down, and the other was desperately trying to lock down Kent to prevent the destruction. My folks cancelled all reasons that would take us into Kent for the next couple of weeks - it just wasn't a safe place to be.

History hasn't always played out the way the heroic history accounts say it did.

So by "locally", are you asking who the Mayor or Town Council was?



posted on Nov, 21 2011 @ 11:11 AM
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Yes, Mayor, City Council and governing body of the campus.



posted on Nov, 21 2011 @ 11:11 AM
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Originally posted by -W1LL

can we please stay on topic?

NO one is claiming anything I asked in my OP for you to observe...


By virtue of the very fact that you attempted to inextricably link the two events you opened the door for that comparison and contrast yourself, right in the OP.



posted on Nov, 21 2011 @ 11:26 AM
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Originally posted by macman
reply to post by nenothtu
 


Yes, Mayor, City Council and governing body of the campus.



I'd have to dig for that - but it can be done. Not being a resident of Kent, but Boston Heights instead, I didn't really care who ran Kent. Likewise, I didn't care who ran the campus of Kent State - my business there wasn't with them, it was with some folks in Speech Pathology.

Got our attention when they allowed the burning of the ROTC building, though.

It was a "peaceful" burning down, of course...



posted on Nov, 21 2011 @ 11:32 AM
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Originally posted by SLAYER69

Originally posted by -W1LL
I would like for you to watch some protests from the 60's vietnam era in history and just observe.






This thread is simply trying to play on peoples emotions. There is no real comparison between the Vietnam War era Protesters and OWS! As has already been pointed out earlier. The 60s generation who protested the wars did so to stop the killing not for Government supplied freebies.

Not only that but, They are now older and are the ones who are in authority positions within the Government and Corporations.


This thread is a Travesty and an Insult to those who died at Kent state who died for what they believed in. [Ending the Wars and Less Government in their lives] I still haven't seen too many OWS protesters carrying signs opposing the Wars. But I see plenty making demands for more socialist handouts which will create Bigger Government.

Apples and Oranges IMO.
Sorry OP, you do not get a pass...



nor do i need a pass mr hall monitor.

as i have stated before you must have missed the middle of the thread.
oh nvmind you see what you like thats your OPINION... nice fail tag.




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