4 DEAD in O-hi-O

Why don't they just clear the F*** out like they're supposed to? I think they want the cops to get violent so they can feel like martyrs. They're shytting in the streets and spreading disease and blocking the flow of day to day life and people are SICK OF IT. Go home already!!!! These idiots don't even know what they're there for.

It's not like the 60's AT ALL. They were protesting a horrible war that was killing tens of thousands of American soldiers and Viet Namese civilians for seemingly no good reason. At least they had a reason for what they were doing. These idiots are just hanging out because they have nothing to do. GO HOME!!

Originally posted by Athin
reply to post by WeRpeons

 

The majority of the OWS movement are bums. They CAN get jobs but they don't want them. They think it's unfair that McDonalds doesn't pay 300k+ salaries.

The main point of the protests are "not having jobs" after college. It MUST be rich peoples fault, right? It has nothing to do with hard work. I'm sure most millionaires didn't have to bust their ass to get it because it was a different time back then.

Lets take a look at the 20's depression.

Before the Great Depression, people refused to go on government welfare except as a last resort. The newspapers published the names of all those who received welfare payments, and people thought of welfare as a disgrace. However, in the face of starving families at home, some men signed up for welfare payments. For most it was a very painful experience.

Pride is gone in the Welfare State. Welfare is the norm.......

The government created programs to put Americans to work. The Works Progress Administration (WPA) hired many men to work on parks, roads, bridges, swimming pools, public buildings and other projects. Teen age boys were hired by the Civilian Conservation Corps (CCC). They lived in barracks, were given clothing, and provided with free meals. The small salary that they earned was sent back to help their families. The CCC boys planted trees, helped create parks, and did other projects to beautify and preserve natural areas.

Where are those jobs,the current President promised?

Still waiting.........

Link

Originally posted by Hillarie
Why don't they just clear the F*** out like they're supposed to? I think they want the cops to get violent so they can feel like martyrs. They're shytting in the streets and spreading disease and blocking the flow of day to day life and people are SICK OF IT. Go home already!!!! These idiots don't even know what they're there for.

It's not like the 60's AT ALL. They were protesting a horrible war that was killing tens of thousands of American soldiers and Viet Namese civilians for seemingly no good reason. At least they had a reason for what they were doing. These idiots are just hanging out because they have nothing to do. GO HOME!!

They do know what they're there for

They want to tax the rich even more when half the country doesn't even pay income tax.
They want their tuition paid for by the wealthy.
They want jobs to be handed to them.
They want to end capitalism while at the same time using their iphones, ipads and sony handycams
They want there fair share without having to work hard to get it.

Shame on you for thinking there is no reason to protest

reply to post by sonnny1


I'm talking about the current protestors not the ones at Kent.

The President didn't promise anything. All he did was say "change" over and over and people thought that meant he was qualified to be president.

It's hilarious when you talk to an Obama supporter. Obama is the savior. Everything is Bushs fault. Democrats will fix everything.

I'm guessing he just hasn't had enough time though. Let's give him another 4 years just to make sure.

What I think is sad is that we are using the exact same techniques for resisting as we have for nearly a century. The people in power have evolved and moved on long ago - protesters are stuck in their same old ineffectual game. There are police and military manuals teaching the "civil forces" how to control and contain protests - it's no secret. Protesting in this way is completely sterile.

A great illustration of this is when the police started letting protesters back into Zuccotti park - in a single file, patted down, sleeping apparatuses taken from them... Pitiful. "Here's your box for expressing yourself, leave it and be pepper sprayed. Enjoy your freedom quietly, please." The worst part is that protesters STILL find this to be an appealing and effective way of resisting. If that's the "freedom" you're aiming for, you need to aim a little higher.

What's the point of this circus? Protests are so predictable - angry groups allowed to yell for a while, then they're beaten down and arrested. Yawn.

What the "99%" needs is a revolution in the ways we revolt. Protesting the banks? The banks speak in dollar terms. Organize bank runs. Join a local credit union. Have a credit card burning party - pay for things only in cash or cheques (hell, go all out and start implementing a skills bartering system and grow your own food if you're really enthusiastic). Create and support local businesses. Stop giving banks and "TPTB" authority - I'm sick of all this childish BS where we seek affirmation from oppressors. Cut them out of your life as much as you possibly can, and build creative alternatives as a community.

Live the change, own the change - because you're asking the wrong people for it, and it's not going to work.

Originally posted by pforkp


What the "99%" needs is a revolution in the ways we revolt. Protesting the banks? The banks speak in dollar terms. Organize bank runs. Join a local credit union. Have a credit card burning party - pay for things only in cash or cheques (hell, go all out and start implementing a skills bartering system and grow your own food if you're really enthusiastic). Create and support local businesses. Stop giving banks and "TPTB" authority - I'm sick of all this childish BS where we seek affirmation from oppressors. Cut them out of your life as much as you possibly can, and build creative alternatives as a community.

Live the change, own the change - because you're asking the wrong people for it, and it's not going to work.

edit on 20-11-2011 by pforkp because: (no reason given)

you are correct in your whole post...

I would just like to say to this quoted paragraph I have done or am in the process of doing everything you mentioned...
not just growing food for myself but my community.

reply to post by -W1LL


I concur, that is a sage piece of advice.

Now how can it be implemented in the face of your aunts shiny new hummer?

She certainly won't agree.

Originally posted by RSF77
reply to post by -W1LL

 

I concur, that is a sage piece of advice.

Now how can it be implemented in the face of your aunts shiny new hummer?

She certainly won't agree.

edit on 21-11-2011 by RSF77 because: (no reason given)

I dont know about a new hummer, what i do know is my family likes to eat and have shelter and I intend to provide that, through my own hard work. but I nor anyone will be able to do that unless we take control of our country.

Ugh. Watching these videos makes it hard to have hope that things will ever change in this country, or the world for that matter.

reply to post by pforkp

What the "99%" needs is a revolution in the ways we revolt. Protesting the banks? The banks speak in dollar terms. Organize bank runs. Join a local credit union. Have a credit card burning party - pay for things only in cash or cheques (hell, go all out and start implementing a skills bartering system and grow your own food if you're really enthusiastic).

And then you're magically transformed into an anarchist or dirty hippie. The police will later knock on your door, spray molten hot pepper juices in your eyes and mouth, then arrest you for [insert charge here].

Originally posted by -W1LL
....

you ask where are all the hippies from the 60's well they probly got tired of being beat down and ostracized for their beliefs that we can live in peace without control of dirty corporations and politician war mongers profiting from our blood.

The hippies from the 60s?... They are in power and work in governments all around the world... In the U.S. they are Hilary Clinton, Bill Clinton, Rham Emmanuel, Pelosi, Janet Napolitano, etc, etc, etc...

Originally posted by -W1LL
its time for change and world wide the 99% (thats all of us even those who think these are just dirty hippies with no jobs or life the scum of the earth so to speak). we are all the 99% (anyone who pays thier taxes honestly) and we want our freedom our founding fathers fought and died for.

You know what I find extremely hilarious, and very telling?... People like you are the same ones bashing and blaming the U.S. for having bases all over the world, yet you, and a FEW others want to FORCE your point of view on the rest of us, and want "change around the world the way YOU want it"...

When I was younger, and I am still young, I was also an idealist and thought that it was possible to have world peace. That was until i started travelling around the world, and read a lot about the history of the world and only then I realised that it is not possible to have world peace unless there is a world dictatorship.

You know why there can be no possibility for world peace?... Because despite what people like you think the world is a very diverse place, with diverse people, ALL who have DIFFERENT ideas on peace, and freedom, and what their idea for peace and freedom is doesn't have to be the same as your idea of freedom and peace...

There are people who want to be free to spread hatred, to kill, and to plunder at will, how exactly willd you deal with these people?...

Or how would you deal with the people who are moderates yet they don't want exactly what YOU want?...

How are you going to FORCE those people to do YOUR will?...

The world elites realised this a long time ago, although their main goal is purely just getting more power, but what the elites want is to install is a One World Government, which will be a One World Socialist Dictatorship, which is the only way you can control people... But even then there will be resistance groups all over the world.

You want to know why there will ALWAYS be resistance groups around the world?... Because people are not robots, and we all have different ideas on what freedom, and peace should be...

Get it? got it? good...

BTW, where the 4 people dead in the 60s? You didn't post any evidence of 4 people dying in the recent protests, which if it is not true would make your thread title a lie if it didn't occur.

While we are remembering protests quelled violently, let me remind, or inform the people of the "Utuado/Ponce/Rio Piedras(Puerto Rico) Massacres" of the30's, 40's and '50's.....

Some 80+ years ago now, an undercurrent of independence was building across the Lovely Island of Puerto Rico. a Nationalist party was formed, with senior leaders elected. The President of the party, wanting rapid changes to the economic/ social welfare systems on the island, The vice president, Independence from the US, even if an armed stance was necessary. Eventually, disagreements on how the party was to be run, led to the president leaving the party and the Vice president moving to the head spot.

A Mainland US citizen from Georgia, named Blanton Winship(Maj. Gen), was named by then US President Roosevelt, as Military Governor of Puerto Rico, and upon gaining the position did a few things:

1) Had the leaders of the PR Nationalist Party arrested, then extradited to the Federal prison in Atlanta, Georgia.

2) Fought to PREVENT the then new minimum wage laws from applying to Puerto Rican Workers of the island. which would've DOUBLED, in some cases, the wages of those on the island...and in particular, those on the sugar plantations. luckily, the law passed, though some plantations closed, due to not being able to afford the new $0.25 hrly wage, an increase of 12.5 cents, which was standard for plantation workers at the time.

3) Ordered state police to FIRE upon assemblers of the Nationalist party parade, when attendees showed up anyway, after the Governor Cancelled the parade an hour before it's start time. (Ponce Massacre 3-21-37)

4) cities across Puerto Rico were Air raided and/or Hit by artillery during this time, to quell the independence movement. (And here i thought,Tulsa Oklahoma was the only Us city to be air raided by us forces)

Sources:
Blanton Winship

Utuado Massacre

Ponce' Massacre


Anyway, i'll let you all read up on it, as I honestly didnt know of the massacres at all, until shortly after I left the island after my honeymoon, late last year. I didnt recall seeing any plaques, or anything like it around, though i spent 4 days in Utuado and 3 days in San Juan, respectively. Then certain things that i'd seen on the island made sense.

One day I wore an all red shirt, with the 'stars-n-stripes' ghosted onto the front in black, and I was talking to an older gentlemen of about 70-75, in Utuado who, While friendly with me Personally, couldn't hide well, what looked like a disdain for the shirt itself. While we talked, he'd go from my face to my shirt, and i noticed his demeanor'd lightly fluctuate each time. from what i gathered during our convo was that he was a long time resident of the town, when i asked him of its history( the town, which i do whenever i travel to other places, i'm a history buff) He spoke of the town, but i knew there were things he didnt say, by his trailing off, and eventually i ended the conversation and resumed exploring the city alone(wifey was at a resort yoga class )

reply to post by ahmonrarh


So, another PROGRESSIVE DEMOCRAT as President, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, gave the go ahead for the incarceration of who was to be the President of PR?...

So, what's new? It was also ANOTHER PROGRESSIVE DEMOCRAT, Woodrow Wilson, who wrote into law the Federal Reserve Act, the Feds, and funded the IRS as it exists today...

BTW, did you know that in 1934 a mayority DEMOCRAT Congress put in place the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission to REGULATE Wall Street? Of course, it STILL exists to this day, yet what good has it done?...

The U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission (frequently abbreviated SEC) is a federal agency[2] which holds primary responsibility for enforcing the federal securities laws and regulating the securities industry, the nation's stock and options exchanges, and other electronic securities markets in the United States. In addition to the 1934 Act that created it, the SEC enforces the Securities Act of 1933, the Trust Indenture Act of 1939, the Investment Company Act of 1940, the Investment Advisers Act of 1940, the Sarbanes-Oxley Act of 2002 and other statutes. The SEC was created by section 4 of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934 (now codified as 15 U.S.C. § 78d and commonly referred to as the 1934 Act).

en.wikipedia.org...

There were actually other provisions written into law by DEMOCRATS to regulate ALL BUSINESSES back then which eventually led to a recession in the U.S....

Humm, all of the above kind of sounds familiar doesn't it?...

we want our freedom our founding fathers fought and died for.

key point....

so far, thanks for the links.. it's too hard educating the young and restless. good luck with that.

baka.

Originally posted by Athin

Originally posted by Hillarie
Why don't they just clear the F*** out like they're supposed to? I think they want the cops to get violent so they can feel like martyrs. They're shytting in the streets and spreading disease and blocking the flow of day to day life and people are SICK OF IT. Go home already!!!! These idiots don't even know what they're there for.

It's not like the 60's AT ALL. They were protesting a horrible war that was killing tens of thousands of American soldiers and Viet Namese civilians for seemingly no good reason. At least they had a reason for what they were doing. These idiots are just hanging out because they have nothing to do. GO HOME!!

They do know what they're there for

They want to tax the rich even more when half the country doesn't even pay income tax.
They want their tuition paid for by the wealthy.
They want jobs to be handed to them.
They want to end capitalism while at the same time using their iphones, ipads and sony handycams
They want there fair share without having to work hard to get it.

Shame on you for thinking there is no reason to protest

wow, my 9 year old nephew knows more about the occupy movement than you do

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
reply to post by ahmonrarh

 

So, another PROGRESSIVE DEMOCRAT as President, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, gave the go ahead for the incarceration of who was to be the President of PR?...

So, what's new? It was also ANOTHER PROGRESSIVE DEMOCRAT, Woodrow Wilson, who wrote into law the Federal Reserve Act, the Feds, and funded the IRS as it exists today...

BTW, did you know that in 1934 a mayority DEMOCRAT Congress put in place the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission to REGULATE Wall Street? Of course, it STILL exists to this day, yet what good has it done?...

The U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission (frequently abbreviated SEC) is a federal agency[2] which holds primary responsibility for enforcing the federal securities laws and regulating the securities industry, the nation's stock and options exchanges, and other electronic securities markets in the United States. In addition to the 1934 Act that created it, the SEC enforces the Securities Act of 1933, the Trust Indenture Act of 1939, the Investment Company Act of 1940, the Investment Advisers Act of 1940, the Sarbanes-Oxley Act of 2002 and other statutes. The SEC was created by section 4 of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934 (now codified as 15 U.S.C. § 78d and commonly referred to as the 1934 Act).

en.wikipedia.org...

There were actually other provisions written into law by DEMOCRATS to regulate ALL BUSINESSES back then which eventually led to a recession in the U.S....

Humm, all of the above kind of sounds familiar doesn't it?...

edit on 21-11-2011 by ElectricUniverse because: (no reason given)

oops ruined my post..... lost my train of thought.
yep you're absolutely right.

both Dems and R'pubs have blood on their hands, when it comes to politics. The Great Roosevelt was involved in smashing an independence movement for an island that's closer to Venezuela, than Miami.

Originally posted by WeRpeons
I remember watching this protest on TV. Nixon calling these protestors "bums," has a similar ring to the OWS movement don't you think? During the Vietnam protests, you had college students, and your "peace loving hippies" protesting against a war that killed over 50,000 of our young men. You can ridicule people about the way they dress, but you can't ignore their courage and strong belief in standing up for what they believe in. Who knows how many more young men would have lost their lives if these so called "bums" didn't put pressure upon our government to end that war.

I know you don't mean to be offensive with your post, but how about including the 250,000 dead Vietnamese soldiers that fought on the 'american side' and the dead 5 million odd asians (mostly women and children?) that were slaughtered mostly by US forces. Now, doesn't that sound a bit more dramatic!

My guess would be at least some of the hippies protesting cared just as much for their asian brothers and sisters as their fellow americans?!

reply to post by satron


That's a picture worth a thousand words right there, thanks for posting it.

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse


BTW, where the 4 people dead in the 60s? You didn't post any evidence of 4 people dying in the recent protests, which if it is not true would make your thread title a lie if it didn't occur.

Yep.

Thats comparison. Ive searched,and couldnt find it anywhere.

Now you DO have those comparing OWS to Arab Spring,but again...............

Just take a look and REALLY compare.

OWS is trying too hard at compare themselves to every protest that has gone on in the last 50 years.

You cant do it.

Volume of people in the streets? Minimal.

reply to post by -W1LL


There is a common denominator that you fail to mention between Kent State and other Demonstrations(Northwestern University) leading up to it and what has occurred at some of the current Occupy Protests. The infiltration of agitators not directly attached to the specific protests at hand.

Agitators traveled to Kent State (Weather Underground suspected) and successfully caused havoc in the city streets, burned the ROTC building and prevented the fire dept. from putting out the blaze by pushing them back and cutting their fire hoses. Furthermore, the famous picture of the girl kneeling and screaming over a dead body is also important to note. She was a 14 year old runaway from Florida who was traveling with a group of protesters from march to march. Not sure who exactly she was with.

Occupy Oakland was rapidly infused with black masked anarchists who launched attacks on Whole Foods of all places. In that video you can see Occupy protesters attempting to stop them. Many of the sincere and nonviolent members of the Occupy movement have wisely gone home. Now left in the vacuum in Cities like Oakland, Portland and Seattle are the agitators most of which could care less about any movement but their own. They merely attach themselves like leeches to a host body until its drained.

It's time to look back at Kent State and learn from history. The Kent protest started peacefully and ended in DEATH and everlasting INJURY.

Inquire, Learn, Reflect. Are the potent words carved into the granite of the May 4 Memorial.

The committee emphasized that the site should present visitors with the opportunity to inquire into the many reasons and purposes of the events that led to the killing and wounding of students on May 4, 1970, and to encourage a learning process to broaden the perspective of these events. The site should encourage visitors to ask what differences were confronting this community and this nation at that time and to reflect on how those differences may have been resolved peacefully.

dept.kent.edu...