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Violence breaks out at Egypt's Tahrir Square (BREAKING NEWS)

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posted on Nov, 21 2011 @ 04:22 AM
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Yeah... Egyptians should be arrested for being shot in their eyes with rubber bullets and having their corpses piled up in the garbage.

Mr. Pharaoh, there isn't anything those people can do to deserve this. This sh!t's gotta go.

English Speakers: in the first video a guy says:
- we got his eye! we got his eye! those bastards! (means the protesters)
- god job, sir! (the word subtitles in arabic)
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posted on Nov, 21 2011 @ 05:59 AM
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The problem is, this is making the islamists look good, they are the victims now and they are gaining the support and sympathy of the people. The islamists were the ones who called for the protests on friday in the first place.

www.torontosun.com...



The demonstration that began on Friday was initially led by Islamists, angry at a bid by the army-backed cabinet to lay down principles for a new constitution that would have kept the army out of the control of a future civilian government.


Now, they SHOULD have waited till the elections, and then if nothing happened, they would have had my 100% support, but this is just political parties battling for control and stirring up trouble at the expense of people's lives.

So, while the security forces are clearly the bad guys here, the islamists are not totally clean either, you'd think they would've known this would happen, they're not THAT stupid, really!


The theory about the NWO / radical middle east is becoming clearer day by day
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posted on Nov, 21 2011 @ 07:31 AM
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I suspect this is just the fruits of a globalist agenda trying to keep yet another middle eastern nation in a state of chaos, these protests are probably fueled by agent provocateurs, trying to derail the freedom process. I refuse to use the term democracy because that is simply a lie to fool the masses into believing they actually have a say when they dont. Democracy = 2 wolves and a sheep voting for whats for dinner. ie mob rule ie collectivism ie socialism.



posted on Nov, 21 2011 @ 07:51 AM
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I'm from Egypt myself. I honestly don't think it will end well this time. The people who are protesting now are not agents, thugs, nor even islamists, for the most part. These are mostly the normal youth who started the revolution, simply sick of The Supreme Council of the Armed Forces using violence against protests, delaying transition of power to the civilians, and lately issuing that law that would give them power they shouldn't have after they've done that... and just basically acting not much different from the very system we overthrew.

The reason I say that I don't think it will end well this time is because after the amount of violence the SCAF and the police used against the protestors for 2 days now, the protestors will now simply not go away till at least some of their demands are met; and, what I fear, that the SCAF steps down from power. As much as I'm opposed to the SCAF and their use of violence as any other Egyptian youth, I fear that in case that happens chaos may ensue more than ever, especially with the parliament elections very soon. There are solutions that are proposed in case that happens to keep order but I'm not exactly sure they'd really be enough in such a scenario.



posted on Nov, 21 2011 @ 07:58 AM
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Originally posted by Arsenalwa
I'm from Egypt myself. I honestly don't think it will end well this time. The people who are protesting now are not agents, thugs, nor even islamists, for the most part. These are mostly the normal youth who started the revolution, simply sick of The Supreme Council of the Armed Forces using violence against protests, delaying transition of power to the civilians, and lately issuing that law that would give them power they shouldn't have after they've done that... and just basically acting not much different from the very system we overthrew.

The reason I say that I don't think it will end well this time is because after the amount of violence the SCAF and the police used against the protestors for 2 days now, the protestors will now simply not go away till at least some of their demands are met; and, what I fear, that the SCAF steps down from power. As much as I'm opposed to the SCAF and their use of violence as any other Egyptian youth, I fear that in case that happens chaos may ensue more than ever, especially with the parliament elections very soon. There are solutions that are proposed in case that happens to keep order but I'm not exactly sure they'd really be enough in such a scenario.

My thoughts are with you and the egyptian people, I only hope that bloodshed is kept to a minimum, but yet I fear the worst. Revolutionary movements as history has taught us are often funded and instigated by the same banking cartel that is the enemy of us all, simply so that no matter the outcome, they will maintain their grip and control. I truly think we are in an engineered endtime scenario, created into being to mimic a bible prophesy written by man and brought into being by the rothschild zionists.



posted on Nov, 21 2011 @ 08:00 AM
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the military would be exempted from civilian oversight, as would its budget. .


Sounds familiar.

By any means necessary, ie., $32,000 for a toilet seat.






S&F&
for the thread.



posted on Nov, 21 2011 @ 08:05 AM
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This is EXTREMELY serious now.

From Cairo to Damascus.

The Security forces are very brutal, in this video they beat unconscious protesters.




posted on Nov, 21 2011 @ 08:15 AM
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Originally posted by muzzleflash
That is why I proposed they quit their jobs if it supports this self-defeating system.
Also, to spend their money more wisely and to stop paying taxes to fund the corrosion.


The corporate person, if allowed to live on, would simply obtain more human resources, and feast on more of the land.

Corporate persons, most of them, are psychotic persons. I can see calling them "people", but we must be honest, they are psychopathic, evil people.

Psychopathic corporate persons, are far far more damaging than say John Wayne Gacy, a psychopathic person. They kill far more victims, and have total immunity.

You suggest people just quit?

That's like disagreeing with the tank crew, and climbing out of the tank, in protest. They'll just crush you or gun you down. You have to gum up the workings of the tank itself.

If tanks, were persons, they'd be corporate persons. Do you agree? How to disable a tank? By voting? Haha, DERP.



posted on Nov, 21 2011 @ 08:21 AM
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Originally posted by thePharaoh
there is no logic behind these marches....lock em up i say


How utterly stupid.

In jail: Both men and women are raped, tortured. The vote is rigged, the military is subsidized by the West, who wants tinpot dictators in power. The people know the system will only get them more assheads in power.

I support the tents and all rights to camping folk. Camping harms no one. Tents harm no one. Homeless is not offensive, but to assheads who determine their value according to the size of their house. It's like being a house-snob, to hate tents. House snobs suck. Down with housnobbery, says I!

Just like the Irish, who support their own "traveling people" within their nation. The Irish would never extinguish the traveler within their midst, so why do some nations have so much hatred toward their own travelers? Why the hatred against tents??



posted on Nov, 21 2011 @ 08:24 AM
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I will seriously never understand "The Government" & "The Police" & "The Military" issuing orders to attack and hurt mass amounts of their own country Men & Women, Mothers and Fathers and Brothers and Sisters and Cousins and Friends. ESPECIALLY in a democratic society. Obviously Egypt is not democratic? But still even in Democratic society's such as America (which really isn't democratic anymore), you can see via the Occupy movement and police barbarism on some of the peaceful, unarmed protesters, that things just are not right.



posted on Nov, 21 2011 @ 08:47 AM
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This is idiotic beyond belief!

They will solve nothing like this, this is just mindless thuggery. They ,may not show these ''protesters'' doing anything but running around but its obvious there not as calm and to themselves as it looks, just as the police are not either.

People need to get a grip and learn more about the world around them, nothing is solved like this, only the intelligence to undermine the system from within.

Idiots, sorry but they are idiots.



posted on Nov, 21 2011 @ 08:52 AM
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Originally posted by DaRAGE
I will seriously never understand "The Government" & "The Police" & "The Military" issuing orders to attack and hurt mass amounts of their own country Men & Women, Mothers and Fathers and Brothers and Sisters and Cousins and Friends. ESPECIALLY in a democratic society. Obviously Egypt is not democratic? But still even in Democratic society's such as America (which really isn't democratic anymore), you can see via the Occupy movement and police barbarism on some of the peaceful, unarmed protesters, that things just are not right.





The fear of losing control is the controllers worst fear. Power corrupts to the point that once it has been tasted it becomes like an addiction. And the addict will do whatever they can to keep the "buzz". Even murder their fellow human beings.



posted on Nov, 21 2011 @ 09:13 AM
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Man oh man. The pawns are all being moved into place. The knights are in position protecting the castles while the bishops and queen maneuver to redirect the heat that is surely coming the kings way.

You cant change the game this late into it. All you can do is grab a seat and watch this mother burn all the way to the ground. The puppet masters pulling the strings are 3 moves ahead. The only way to stop the game is to knock ALL the pieces off the board. And i dont see that happening any time soon. As long as they control the military WE ARE ALL SCREWED!!!

My prediction:

This will flare out for a week maybe more, Gives the global audience a release of pressure that someone somewhere in the world is fighting TPTB so they dont have to and they will go back to moving those giant blocks of stone for the slave masters. Nothing will come of this especially in the west. The only real Revolution will come from 4rd world countries where they have nothing left to lose. The western population is like a toothless tiger. All bark no bite. It's sad but true. You have to look at the bigger picture.
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posted on Nov, 21 2011 @ 09:14 AM
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Originally posted by TheAlmo



Yeah... Egyptians should be arrested for being shot in their eyes with rubber bullets and having their corpses piled up in the garbage.

Mr. Pharaoh, there isn't anything those people can do to deserve this. This sh!t's gotta go.

English Speakers: in the first video a guy says:
- we got his eye! we got his eye! those bastards! (means the protesters)
- god job, sir! (the word subtitles in arabic)
edit on 21-11-2011 by TheAlmo because: (no reason given)


thats where your wrong
anything that happens post protests is on their own heads.

what are these people thinking they will achieve....they got rid of the president...ok...a round of applause.
but to fight the army lolol.

then.... these people are out of touch with the other 80 million egyptians
you can put any minority in tahrir sq. and they will look like the majority

most egyptians predicted trouble makers would do this pre elections to destabilise egypt.
these people are not egyptians doing it for egypt....bunch of trouble makers undermining the state.
as an egyptian...im with the army...fill the prisons up, and let them out after the election.
after we have a president, then we will address the army.

this way .....is sabotage

peace
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posted on Nov, 21 2011 @ 09:22 AM
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Originally posted by smallpeeps

Originally posted by thePharaoh
there is no logic behind these marches....lock em up i say


How utterly stupid.

In jail: Both men and women are raped, tortured. The vote is rigged, the military is subsidized by the West, who wants tinpot dictators in power. The people know the system will only get them more assheads in power.



?? really,,,,this is the 2nd time to vote.... ever!!

"the military being subisdised by the west"

so whats your answer to that....revolution agains the army??

thats stupid....get a new president..and then lean on him to change the "status quo"....with a smooth transition.

not by throwing rocks at tanks, then getting upset that it shoots back


the number one issue is security of the state...which the majority share with the army...anything that undermines that will get an iron fist...which will be enivitably agreeable to by the masses.

this time...these people are wrong...and they will lose.

its cute how they were predicted in destabilizing egypt pre elections,


peace



posted on Nov, 21 2011 @ 09:29 AM
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Originally posted by thePharaoh
?? really,,,,this is the 2nd time to vote.... ever!!

"the military being subisdised by the west"

so whats your answer to that....revolution agains the army??


Yes.

Is that too hard for you to grasp?

I am not saying they have to throw themselves under the tanks, but the first step is to recignize the impossibility of a true vote-based solution.

I have proposed my solutions in a couple spots on ye internetes. Shall I describe my solution here? Essentially, people should vote in stadiums, en masse, by doing the wave. Ask for details and I'll go on, it is the only real solution which is peer-to-peer. Where is the closest stadium to tahrir square?

Your idea above seems so cute, so hopeful that a ballot box will solve the problems. So cute in the idea that another parliament joing the globo-parliament-club, will somehow make a better world. But notice that parliaments, as such, are worthless? That is truth, Kings and parliaments both, are the enemies of the human race.

QUESTION: Has the ballot box ever worked? Has it ever made the life of the meek and the voiceless, a better life?

ANSWER: No.

The ballot box, is a completely owned tool, of the people who count the votes. They are knownin the US as "Diebold Inc" ...They also make our cash machines. I think the ballot box in Egypt is a bit more primitive, but just as controlled/useless.



posted on Nov, 21 2011 @ 09:33 AM
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This is what I'm talking about, these people have courage. True patriots of their country.
Maybe they saw my thread.

www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Nov, 21 2011 @ 09:40 AM
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TPTB wants Muslim Brotherhood to come to power, i.e. it will happen no matter what.



posted on Nov, 21 2011 @ 09:41 AM
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Originally posted by smallpeeps

Originally posted by thePharaoh
?? really,,,,this is the 2nd time to vote.... ever!!

"the military being subisdised by the west"

so whats your answer to that....revolution agains the army??


Yes.

Is that too hard for you to grasp?

I am not saying they have to throw themselves under the tanks, but the first step is to recignize the impossibility of a true vote-based solution.

QUESTION: Has the ballot box ever worked? Has it ever made the life of the meek and the voiceless, a better life?

ANSWER: No.



wont happen...you dont understand egypt
plus people remember the army standing with the people during the revolution. and inforcing their voice.

plus people are more passionate about keeping the army stable and a true fighting force....more so than their neighbours isreal.

people understand the importance of the army....revolution against them is not a reality
how ever people dying and retribution is.,,

people wanted democracy you got it...with its "faults".....
you cant blame ballot boxes...they wanted them.....egypt had a tradition of military personnel being in charge post king farouk....



posted on Nov, 21 2011 @ 09:54 AM
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First, there is some group called "soldiers". Second, there is some group called "police".

Now, when soldiers return, they sometimes become police. See the movie "Harsh Times" for one soldier's return to home-life, and his desire to seek employment as a policeman, but he is told that the only route for him, to be a soldier. Watch this film, then watch the Rambo films (especially part 1, "First Blood") and observe how the whole Rambo thing, is the same as the Harsh Times thing. It's a soldier, who wants to be a cop, or could be a cop, but is he really the kind of cop we WANT? The cop in "First Blood", is a feudal sheriff-of-nottingham-type asshead. The cop in "Harsh Times", is the soldier's high school chum, and yet is still a douche. Please watch these great education films, and also, please encourage your local school board to show these films to their students, in order to break the MK currently being applied to their children.

In fact, as these movies show, it is the plight of the returning soldier, which is the true cause.

Also, the plight of the dumbass cop, who grew up in his town and never went to war, never has seen anything but his home state, yet who oppresses the returning soldier (see First Blood, Rambo Part 1).

QUESTION: Does the Executive branch, empower the returning soldier, more than they empower, the local fiefdom podunk nottingham-modality sheriffs/cops/troopers? FURTHER QUESTION: Do the state troopers, since they police/ride Eisenhower's construct (the national highways), obtain more Federal backing? Further question, if the answer be yes, that these classes all have different power-gifts from the Federal governing body?

How shall we classify, the executive branch and corporate branches of government, in regards to supporting the following classes of agents?

1: current soldier
2: returning soldier
3: current cop ex-soldier
4: current cop no soldiery
5: current highway trooper ex-soldier
6: ex highway trooper no soldiery

... And so on?

The point I am making is this: You cannot know if there are any good men in these groups above, until they are faced with the shoot-dont-shoot scenario, within the context of their authority. That is to say (and soldiers will know what I mean) until the enemy draws his rifle bead on you and you must kill him, in order to live, well, until that moment where you must act one way or the other (as Rambo when he is escorted out of town by the local podunk cop), then you cannot know what sort of man, is inside the uniform. This truth carries forward across all regimes, and all nations. The uniform as such, removes the knowledge of the man, until the uniform itself, and its authority, is tested. To say it another way, the man who dons a uniform, hides himself, in a way, and he must transcend the uniform, in order to again be as real, as the non-uniformed.

Understanding the above, we can understand why in the First Blood movie, the stupid podunk officer takes offense to Rambo wearing the jacket whilst having long hair. He says "its a disgrace to that uniform." Do you see? The Rambo series is merely a display of groups of men fighting over the costumes/uniforms and the imbued power they carry. The cop thinks his uniform has more resonance with his townspeople. Rambo feels (as he is part Indian) that long hair and his GI issue jacket, is an American sentiment, and he feels that the cop is wrong about this idea that Rambo disgraces the uniform. That's what really hackles Rambo, imo. He feels that the local cop feels that cop-dom is more American, than soldier-dom.

Well anyway, the only way to refine these uniformed men, to boil them out as good or bad, is for the people to simply stop consenting. The meek way is the true way, to boil out the good men in the uniformed ranks. Yes, there will be more SS type thuggery than there will be Rambo-type heroes, but over time, the people will always win.

Anyway, in none of these movies, is voting mentioned. Basically, is total crap which only results in skull and bones running two Yale bonesmen for the Executive office (Bush v. Kerry). I bet they'll be laughing 100 years from now, at that one. I mean you really have to tip Satan's cap to them. Hmm, let's see, Bush was Air National Guard and Kerry was a boat captain. I think Rambo as an Army Ranger, still outranks them both.






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