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Originally posted by lambros56
[I actually love America.
I`m from the UK and i hate what our Government, the US and NATO have done to the world.
Wars cannot be initiated with reasons. The US/Israeli side had provided their evidences and reasons, even up to UN.
Nukes, terrorism, potential assasination of diplomatic figures are NO small matters to mankind, and have to be reassured, honestly, and not by simple mere words,rhetoric, blusters, threats but by hard evidences.
Rest assured, if it had nothing to hide, then there will be no conflicts nor support for conflicts. Should there be other culprits than the gov is involved, then they must be apprehended and be brought to justice, and not covered up.
But if the Iranian regime continues to bluster and issue more insane threats, guess what will happen?
Enough with your irrational rant?
Care to grow up now and stick to the topic?
Originally posted by PuterMan
I think you possibly meant 'without' reasons or maybe not. I would contest that the US/Israeli government has presented any real evidence. Certainly they have presented their reasons, mostly by inference, and the US and the UN are synonymous so nothing surprising there then.
I believe you are an agent of the regime.
I have nothing to discuss with you.
Originally posted by hmdphantom
reply to post by mobiusmale
The only thing that is going to prevent this, likely, is for the current regime to stand down....allow free elections...thus stopping the threats to Isreal. It probably wouldn't hurt too...if Iran stopped holding its annual Death to America day.
Are these reasons enough to let Iran be invaded ? or there will be blood.
I know why there will be blood in Iran , but there will be no blood in African countries. Although they are having less democracy and freedom than Iranian have.
It is because Iran's Oil and Gas resources.
UK and US are not democracy providers , they just seek the ways to feed their hungry multinational corporations.
Thank you for replying.
I think that Iranian should stand for their elections and democracy.
Originally posted by mobiusmale
Originally posted by hmdphantom
reply to post by mobiusmale
The only thing that is going to prevent this, likely, is for the current regime to stand down....allow free elections...thus stopping the threats to Isreal. It probably wouldn't hurt too...if Iran stopped holding its annual Death to America day.
Are these reasons enough to let Iran be invaded ? or there will be blood.
I know why there will be blood in Iran , but there will be no blood in African countries. Although they are having less democracy and freedom than Iranian have.
It is because Iran's Oil and Gas resources.
UK and US are not democracy providers , they just seek the ways to feed their hungry multinational corporations.
Thank you for replying.
I think that Iranian should stand for their elections and democracy.
I think you are missing the point. It is part of the plan...that Iran will become part of the Western-controlled/influenced sphere. It will be turned from a belligerent into an ally. Just like the experience with Germany, Japan, Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya.
Syria is coming up to bat. Iran is after that.
Iran is faced with a choice. Stand down, fall in line and become a friendly nation...or be taken down, and converted into one - against the will of its current rulers.
Whether or not this is "fair", it is reality.
I hope that Iran will change its course, and will take the peaceful route...and stop putting itself in harm's way by its own actions. But I do not believe that will happen.
So, when it begins to go down, I do hope you and your family are in a safe place.
I do doubt, by the way, that there will be a physical invasion of Iran at this time. Iran will get a hard spanking (like Saddam did the first time around), and it will have the opportunity to change from its stance of confronting America, Israel and the rest of the West.
If it does not...then a pretext will be found to force a Regime change.
As mentioned, this is no small issue, more so in the wake of IAEA's revelations of Iranian nuke armament build up which is a possibility
If Iran has nothing to hide, it should not fear this step. It's not like asking Iran to physically bow to anyone or lost their economic or political status, but instead it will reaussure the world and enhance its own standing.
Originally posted by Redevilfan09
reply to post by jondave
Respond to what? A country invading them?
Thats just called self defence. What do you call it, a threat to humanity?
Originally posted by PuterMan
reply to post by SeekerofTruth101
So, the question is who fed the information to the IAEA? Note also that it says a possibility, not a fact. Now as I understand and I will be honest I don't have a source right now, the information came from Israel. Should that be the case then I hardly consider that to be reliable.
ETA: Meant to rspond to this:
If Iran has nothing to hide, it should not fear this step. It's not like asking Iran to physically bow to anyone or lost their economic or political status, but instead it will reaussure the world and enhance its own standing.
I don't believe that Iran does fear inspections. Unfortunately they are taking the stance that if no one believes them why should they comply. Now I agree that this is not helpful, but when you consider all the car-rap that has been thrown at them and the sanctions etc would you not feel like this?
edit on 19/11/2011 by PuterMan because: (no reason given)
On the 1st issue over the possibility of nuke enrichment, you too have your doubts. If there is even one bit of a doubt, then would it better to put it down to rest once and for all by allowing IAEA inspections, for the sake of all whom seek for peace?
On your second issue, regardless of angers or frustrations, as I mentioned, nukes are no small matter, IAEA inspections are the only solutions now to end any conflicts. Should there be nothing to hide, the Iranian would reap far more benefits from it than being belligerant, even if they feel they are entitled to such. It will end the call for sanctions with many other more rational states, and would be a great help to our fellow human brothers and sisters in Iran.
It is to this end that we all mankind must work towards, so that there will be no wars or threats of it in our already troubled world.
2005 "World Without Zionism" speechOn October 26, 2005, IRIB News, an English-language subsidiary of the state-controlled Islamic Republic of Iran Broadcasting (IRIB), filed a story on Ahmadinejad's speech to the "World Without Zionism" conference in Asia, entitled: Ahmadinejad: Israel must be wiped off the map
Two points should be clarified in advance. The first point is that our demand is the liberation of Palestine, not the liberation of a part of Palestine. Any plan to divide Palestine is completely unacceptable. The two-state idea which has been presented in the self-righteous clothing of "recognizing the Palestinian government as a member of the United Nations" is nothing but giving in to the demands of the Zionists - namely, "recognizing the Zionist government in Palestinian lands". This would mean trampling on the rights of the Palestinian nation, ignoring the historical right of the displaced Palestinians and even jeopardizing the right of the Palestinians settled in "1948 lands". It would mean leaving the cancerous tumor intact and exposing the Islamic Ummah - especially the regional nations - to constant danger. It would mean bringing back decades-long sufferings and trampling upon the blood of the martyrs.
Any operational solution must be based on the principle of "all of Palestine for all Palestinian people". Palestine is the land that extends "from the river to the sea", not one inch less than that. Of course it should be noted that through its elected government, the Palestinian people will run the affairs of the any part of the Palestinian soil they manage to liberate, just as they did in the case of Gaza, but they will never forget the ultimate goal.
The second point is that in order to reach this lofty goal, what is necessary is action, not words. It is necessary to be serious, not to make ceremonial gestures. It is necessary to have patience and wisdom, not engage in a variety of impatient actions. It is necessary to consider horizons that lie far ahead and to move forward step by step with determination, reliance on God and hope. Muslim governments and nations and the resistance groups in Palestine, Lebanon and other countries can each identify their share of work in this general struggle and solve the puzzle of resistance with Allah's permission.