A woman from Iran warns of Iran's Crushing Response to Slightest Hostile Move

Originally posted by hmdphantom
reply to post by Battleline

 

You people need some new material.

Maybe we should call the materialists to provide us with the material ?

I don't want to see a war with Iran but i feel it is going to happen.

How is that ? You don't want it , but it is going to happen. What kind of democracy do you enjoy?

,what is stopping you from destorying Israel?

I don't like Copy , Pasting. But it is inevitable:


Supreme Leader’s Speech at International Conference on Palestinian Intifada

Two points should be clarified in advance. The first point is that our demand is the liberation of Palestine, not the liberation of a part of Palestine. Any plan to divide Palestine is completely unacceptable. The two-state idea which has been presented in the self-righteous clothing of "recognizing the Palestinian government as a member of the United Nations" is nothing but giving in to the demands of the Zionists - namely, "recognizing the Zionist government in Palestinian lands". This would mean trampling on the rights of the Palestinian nation, ignoring the historical right of the displaced Palestinians and even jeopardizing the right of the Palestinians settled in "1948 lands". It would mean leaving the cancerous tumor intact and exposing the Islamic Ummah - especially the regional nations - to constant danger. It would mean bringing back decades-long sufferings and trampling upon the blood of the martyrs.

Any operational solution must be based on the principle of "all of Palestine for all Palestinian people". Palestine is the land that extends "from the river to the sea", not one inch less than that. Of course it should be noted that through its elected government, the Palestinian people will run the affairs of the any part of the Palestinian soil they manage to liberate, just as they did in the case of Gaza, but they will never forget the ultimate goal.

The second point is that in order to reach this lofty goal, what is necessary is action, not words. It is necessary to be serious, not to make ceremonial gestures. It is necessary to have patience and wisdom, not engage in a variety of impatient actions. It is necessary to consider horizons that lie far ahead and to move forward step by step with determination, reliance on God and hope. Muslim governments and nations and the resistance groups in Palestine, Lebanon and other countries can each identify their share of work in this general struggle and solve the puzzle of resistance with Allah's permission.

Iran has been threatening this for years now

Where are your documents ?

Sarcasm,so you have a sense of humor............,odd.

No "democracy" here,we are a republic by constitutional means.We have to trust our elected officials to do the right thing...............I'll admit that doesen't seem to be working out very well, now or in the past.

Nice paste.......or is it "bait and switch"

For you to ask me for "documents" on how long Ahmadinejad has been threatening to "wipe Israel of the face of the earth" just show's me what a propagandist you are,or maybe in self deniale about what your country is really about, but then thats what propaganda is all about ...........right.

Say, how's that cubical working out for you??

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Hi mate..I'm from India and I personally support Iran's approach to nuclear technology. My country has tried to support Iran as well but since Iran is signatory to NPT it can't do much with the pressure from US and other western countries since sanctions (when we conducted nuclear tests) from India are being removed slowly for co-operation with west. I don't like it but don't have much say in it.

I feel iran should withdraw from NPT and build nuclear weapons for its survival. In the past US supported and even funded Pakistani govt. with money and weaponry even when India complained that Pakistan is sending terrorists in India. Similarly, what is happening in Iran now with assassination of its nuclear scientists and terrorist groups like Jundullah. Only after India developed nuclear weapons for its protection is when we as a country really felt secure coz now we re sure we will not be invaded ever by any foreign country and share the same fate as Iraq, Libya etc. or pushed around or threatened by China or Pakistan militarily which are our closest neighbors. Similarly, Iran has nuclear powered Israel, Saudi Arabia and US army bases all around it and is in a critical situation..hence, nuclear weapons are essential for the survival of Iran.

If Iran is not building nuclear weapons I hope Iran has sufficient defense to thwart any attacks which definitely will come in the coming few years which I hope don't come true.

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Originally posted by PuterMan
reply to post by AllUrChips

 

So tell me why, when you were quoting Wikiperdia, you did not continue with the passage which immediately after the part you quoted says:

The translation presented by the official Islamic Republic News Agency has been challenged by Arash Norouzi, who says the statement "wiped off the map" was never made and that Ahmadinejad did not refer to the nation or land mass of Israel, but to the "regime occupying Jerusalem". Norouzi translated the original Persian to English, with the result, "the Imam said this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time.

en.wikipedia.org...

Here is from the 4th page.

Just calm down before calling other people you don't know by the words you don't know what they mean.

Here is the link.

post by PuterMan

I just admit it : you are the only smart guy through the 16 pages of this thread.

Here is you award

Originally posted by hmdphantom
About Israel there are some wise statements made by Iranian Leader. It is not saying we should kill the people as some people try to interpret it.


Supreme Leader’s Speech at International Conference on Palestinian Intifada

Two points should be clarified in advance. The first point is that our demand is the liberation of Palestine, not the liberation of a part of Palestine. Any plan to divide Palestine is completely unacceptable
Any operational solution must be based on the principle of "all of Palestine for all Palestinian people". Palestine is the land that extends "from the river to the sea", not one inch less than that.

The second point is that in order to reach this lofty goal, what is necessary is action, not words. It is necessary to be serious, not to make ceremonial gestures. It is necessary to have patience and wisdom, not engage in a variety of impatient actions. It is necessary to consider horizons that lie far ahead and to move forward step by step with determination, reliance on God and hope. Muslim governments and nations and the resistance groups in Palestine, Lebanon and other countries can each identify their share of work in this general struggle and solve the puzzle of resistance with Allah's permission.

Dear OP,

There are all kinds of people on the net, and not many are who they claim to be. But I will take you on face value as you claim, if that is what you wish to be perceived as here on ATS.

Your rather professional continued pasting of the Iranian Leader's whom you deemed as 'wise' is rather disconcerting, despite some others refuting his seemingly 'insanity' with regards to the Israel/Palestinian issue. More wily with his use of words than wise. Cunning would be the appropriate word, and absolutely UNWORTHY to be a conscionable leader of a group of our fellow humans that is a nation.

His point 1 is NOTHING less than the FULL eviction of the State of Israel, a country that won statehood through the majority of nations in UN, totally out of Middle East, to be ruled by the State of Palestine alone.

Point no 2 IS NO LESS THAN A FULL CALL TO THE EXTERMINATION OF JEWS, whom had been granted statehood by majority of nations in our world, through terrorism in the guise of 'resistance' by ALL MUSLIMS !!!!

If you truly seek for peace, do re-read what he says, unless you have another agenda on mind. Negotiations are about COMPROMISES - the give and take over differences for an equitable agreement by both sides, to live in peace and progress after years of misunderstanding, used as tools by others and killing one another. The hatchet must be buried so that the innocent next generation may know and live in peace and freedom.

Personally, I am for full negotiation on the status for the statehood of Palestine, and would actively support statehood for my FELOW HUMAN BROTHERS AND SISTERS OF THE PALESTINIAN ETHNIC GROUP, BUT NO WAY WILL I SUPPORT THE MURDERS OF MY FELLOW HUMAN BROTHERS AND S ISTERS OF THE JEWISH ETHNIC GROUP by your beloved and crazed 'wise' man - the Supreme Leader !

It's your choice if you continue to spread your 'wise' Iranian SL demand for the extermination of a People, but you will then only be known for who you truly are and what you stand for, which is certainly not for peace.

May Allah the compassionate and the merciful shine His wisdom upon you.

Regards.

reply to post by Ek Bharatiya


Hi.

I am happy to see some informed guy from the region . I know you are better access to information about this part of the planet.

I wish , no war get started and we live in peace.

An average human being lives only 70-80 years . 20 years as kid 20 years as old. we have a very short time to do what we want to do for ourselves and others.

It is not fair to spend our life in wars. It is not logical.

Peace.

reply to post by SeekerofTruth101

His point 1 is NOTHING less than the FULL eviction of the State of Israel, a country that won statehood through the majority of nations in UN,

How was that when all the nations decided to decide instead of the people who lived in Palestine ? Is that called democracy ?

Point no 2 IS NO LESS THAN A FULL CALL TO THE EXTERMINATION OF JEWS, whom had been granted statehood by majority of nations in our world, through terrorism in the guise of 'resistance' by ALL MUSLIMS !!!!

Answered in the first place. + It will be the Palestinian people who will decide about those Jews. They are like illegal immigrants . It depends on their government to decide EXTERMINATION OF JEWS or let them live there. I don't decide for them. I say we should let them decide for themselves.

Originally posted by hmdphantom
reply to post by Ek Bharatiya

 

I wish , no war get started and we live in peace.

An average human being lives only 70-80 years . 20 years as kid 20 years as old. we have a very short time to do what we want to do for ourselves and others.

It is not fair to spend our life in wars. It is not logical.

Peace.

I absolutely wish and hope no war is ever started but without nuclear weapons a country becomes a target and a bigger target if it has plenty of natural resources like oil and natural gas. How many countries with nuclear weapons have been attacked till date now? None. How many countries without nuclear weapons have been invaded? The list is long. Building nuclear weapons is the way to peace because it ensures the countries survival. Small skirmishes go on rarely but no one will dare to mount a full fledged invasion. That in itself guarantees peace.

Originally posted by Jepic
7TH POINT

Iran is a joke. The war would be won in a week with a thorough and well developed strategy.

I hope your well deveopled strategy includes a way to stop Russia and China from joining there ally Iran.

Over in a week, really? what war has america ever faught that was over in a week, Now thats a joke.

"Fifth point

Iranian scientist are trying to find alternative fuels instead of fossil fuels , to pump less oil from our wells and get less independent to oil. To let a healthy economic system live in Iran. US and other superpowers just prove that they are enemy of Iranian people. "


Bull#. The processes and equipment you use are used for weapons grade nuclear weapons. There are many other processes you could use to process radioactive material into power grade material. There are also other countries that would sell you the reactors needed to provide power at an exponential savings compared to processing it yourselves. The only reason you would want to not only process your own material, but process it with the type of equipment you are processing it with is to make weapons. And that is never going to happen I can promise you that.

Iran openly admits to state sponsored terrorism and openly funds state sponsored terrorist groups. You will never be allowed to possess nuclear weapons, plain and simple.

"Sixth point

We are just Muslims and we have chosen a different way of life to live. We don't threaten other countries. We don't want others to be Muslims by force. We just see that Israeli politicians decide to threat Iran , every time they will."

You do threaten other countries and openly admit state sponsored terrorism. No one has a problem with Muslims, many many Muslims live free and happy lives in America, what we do have a problem with is sharia law..........death penalty for adultery?? death penalty for converting to another religion?? cutting the noses off of women and stoning them?? Saying a God told you to do this??? That's not religion that's psychopathic murder.



You will be allowed to have all the nuclear power plants you want but you will never be allowed to have nuclear weapons. You do not need to, and there is no reason to be processing weapons grade material and you know it and so does your Government. Your Government is the one starting war, not the other countries.

reply to post by EndGovtCorruption

Bull#. The processes and equipment you use are used for weapons grade nuclear weapons. There are many other processes you could use to process radioactive material into power grade material. There are also other countries that would sell you the reactors needed to provide power at an exponential savings compared to processing it yourselves. The only reason you would want to not only process your own material, but process it with the type of equipment you are processing it with is to make weapons. And that is never going to happen I can promise you that.

You seem to be far off the road and just informed through your MSM. It is clear.

Russia was supposed to finish the Bushehr power plant 10 years ago and is just playing games with Iran. That is why Iranian scientists decided to finish the job by their own.

I don't comment on America or other countries internal issues until I am informed or it would be a shame.

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Explain how it is clear. You can't because I am right.

If Iran only wants nuclear power then why don't they just use a process that makes material for nuclear power?


You have also conveniently left out any response to the fact that Iran admits to supporting state sponsored terrorism???

You have also left out any response to the fact that sharia law is nothing but psychopathic murder in the name of a God??


If you are as free as you claim to be I will be expecting detailed responses to these statements. We know that isn't going to happen because if the Government catches you voicing your honest opinion you yourself would probably face sharia law and I would not wish that on my worst enemy. Please do not endanger yourself by responding to things that would cause that to you.

Originally posted by EndGovtCorruption
You will be allowed to have all the nuclear power plants you want but you will never be allowed to have nuclear weapons.

Allowed is a funny term, I didn't knew USA was the world police which allowed other countries to get nuclear tech. Guess what India got nuclear tech. without USA's approval.

You do not need to, and there is no reason to be processing weapons grade material and you know it and so does your Government. Your Government is the one starting war, not the other countries.

The world is going to have to accept that Iran is going to get a nuke.

Given Iran's history it'd be wise to seek a nuke. It's a pity that it's necessary but I'd do the same and nothing would stop me.

IRANS RECENT HISTORY
*1953-CIA backed coup overthrows the popular democratic gov.
*1979 The US Supported a brutal dictatorship. 1000's murdered by the Shahs secret police the SAVAK.
1979-81 US hostages taken and released.
*-1988 Following popular revolution against the US backed dictator, Iran is invaded. The US supported the aggressor in the war that cost Iran 500,000 casualties.
*The US escorts shipping up and down the gulf, except Iranian, which it allows Iraq to attack
*When Iraq falters in its attack, the US provides chemical weapons satellite intelligence
*1988- USS ship shoots down a commercial flight operated by Iran Air. refuse to apologize. Gives medals to the shooters. George H. W. Bush declared, "I will never apologize for the United States of America — I don't care what the facts are" in reference to the incident.
*2002 USA places Iran in Axis of Evil
* Iran offers full transparency on WMD, aid on the war on terror including Hamas, Hizbollah, and co-ordination on Iraq, normalisation of relations. Offer rejected by USA
*2003 US invades countries on either side of Iran's borders.
*2003-9 Israel calls for Iran to be bombed, launches practice raids.

Did I mentioned Iran supported US with information and other military support in beginning of attack on Afghanistan.

If Iran is a legitimate threat to the US you will see a different tactic than was previously used against Iraq and Afghanistan, there they were acting more along the lines of a police force. If we had to launch a true all out attack on Iran, sorry to say, but Iran would be over in under an hour. Our air forces are just so much more superior than any other country (we spend more than the rest of the world combined). We would at least get to see some of the toys from area 51 but yea if the US wanted to wipe out Iran and build a disney world in its place it would happen. No matter how united a country is does nothing to the point that our planes and bombs would decimate them in no time. If China and Russia would side with Iran over us than there would be a world war but then the US would also gain allies and it would be the war to end all wars but until that time when Russian and Chinese troops actually join with Iran (or whats left of it) we can safely assume that the worlds number one military will beat Iran's outdated arms. We could probably do this just using drones, not trying to reek of blind American Pride, but as a military we have some of the best men and women fighting for us and best technology from years of development. The OP can let what one woman says cloud their judgement, but come on if the US used a blitzkrieg tactic it would be over and done with in time for dinner

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You should make a thread with all of that information and those links, it would be really informative...

reply to post by Ek Bharatiya


The United States is not the worlds police, didn't say they were. Now there are some dummies out there that actually think the United States just went off and attacked Iraq and Afghanistan because they are uninformed and ignorant. The fact is it was not just the United States that attacked Iraq and Afghanistan, it was a coalition of countries and it was done with a United Nations Security Council Resolution. The same United Nations that is not going to allow a terrorist sponsoring state like Iran to acquire nukes or possess them long if they do. Hope that cleared a few things up.

Originally posted by EndGovtCorruption
reply to post by Ek Bharatiya

 

The United States is not the worlds police, didn't say they were. Now there are some dummies out there that actually think the United States just went off and attacked Iraq and Afghanistan because they are uninformed and ignorant.

Nope US is not dummy, ignorant or uninformed it has well planned "schemes" to invade countries by deception, lies and falsifying information for profit (corporate, economic, expand powers, giving contracts to rebuild to own builder corporations and take kickbacks in form of funds at times of election etc etc)

The fact is it was not just the United States that attacked Iraq and Afghanistan, it was a coalition of countries and it was done with a United Nations Security Council Resolution.

Iraq war was illegal and breached UN charter, says Annan
and
On September 16, 2004 Secretary-General of the United Nations Kofi Annan, speaking on the invasion, said, "I have indicated it was not in conformity with the UN Charter. From our point of view, from the charter point of view, it was illegal."

Whoops!! turns out somebody else is breaking the UN charter and is an aggressive invader and a terrorist. It's bad already I have to inform you about your own country's history.

reply to post by Ek Bharatiya


Ek, lets stick to Iran, you know what the topic of this thread is about? I am sure there are plenty of Iraq threads you can vent your frustrations about Iraq on.


I do agree with you on some of your points about the US Government btw. I did not support the US going to war and I stand corrected on the UN resolution. Regardless of that there were still over 25 other countries that willingly took part in the war. Quit trying to place sole blame on the US.


Now back to Iran. While I did not support the US war in Iraq, if Iran does acquire nuclear weapons I will support an attack of Iran. I would not just take the US Governments word on it either. If the UN finds Iran has nukes, the UN is going to take them away and I would most definitely support that. If Iran just wants nuclear power then I am for the UN helping them get nuclear power. They do not need to possess bomb grade material to have nuclear power.

I particularly enjoy the hypocritical comments made by people who extoll such disapproval of Iran's regime, and then completely ignore how Israel has brutalized the Palestinian people. Like, completely subjugated and terrorized are barely adequate in describing Israel's invasion into Palestine.

Also when was the last time Israel has answered for a single one of the crimes committed, to the UN? Never.

I don't see Iran invading anyone. I don't see Iran sending malicious virus into other nations. I also do not see Iran making constant threats to Israel, as much as they try to claim.

There is zero justification for harassing Iran. Anyone who thinks they are "speaking for the world" when it comes to Iran, are very likely Israeli shills, have no doubt about that.

Originally posted by TupacShakur
reply to post by Ek Bharatiya

 

You should make a thread with all of that information and those links, it would be really informative...

Yes I think he better make a thread about that.

Originally posted by EndGovtCorruption
reply to post by Ek Bharatiya

 

Ek, lets stick to Iran, you know what the topic of this thread is about? I am sure there are plenty of Iraq threads you can vent your frustrations about Iraq on.


I do agree with you on some of your points about the US Government btw. I did not support the US going to war and I stand corrected on the UN resolution. Regardless of that there were still over 25 other countries that willingly took part in the war. Quit trying to place sole blame on the US.


Now back to Iran. While I did not support the US war in Iraq, if Iran does acquire nuclear weapons I will support an attack of Iran. I would not just take the US Governments word on it either. If the UN finds Iran has nukes, the UN is going to take them away and I would most definitely support that. If Iran just wants nuclear power then I am for the UN helping them get nuclear power. They do not need to possess bomb grade material to have nuclear power.

I'd love to hear whatever fantasical excuses for why you neglect to mention Israel, their nukes, and their refusal to do anything the UN asks of them in that regard. But sure, lets focus on Iran, since you obviously have your own agenda in villainizing Iran.