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posted on Nov, 19 2011 @ 01:12 AM
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And who's site is that?




posted on Nov, 19 2011 @ 01:12 AM
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I know our gdm government is corrupt - OWS is doing nothing to spread the word - that's the problem. GET a Message. Stop hassling the 99%. I AM NOT against the message - just the stupidity of the delivery..



posted on Nov, 19 2011 @ 01:13 AM
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Hey, so are you going to respond to my earlier post that you side-stepped by posting that link?



posted on Nov, 19 2011 @ 01:13 AM
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Originally posted by TupacShakur
Expressing criticism in the form of insults, logical fallacies, and repetitive bashing is not the same thing as seeing an issue, and calling attention to it.



All of which is fine and good. However it's a two way street on which only one of us is and has been looking both ways.



posted on Nov, 19 2011 @ 01:13 AM
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Originally posted by SLAYER69

Originally posted by TupacShakur
Discussing what you see as wrong with the movement is a textbook example of criticism. Don't think of it as a bad thing, because it can be used for good.


I certainly hope your "Comrades" are reading what you've typed here tonight. Because the reality of it isn't so. Case in point read some of the heavier trafficked threads and count how many point fingers and name call at those who have expressed criticism.
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Well that is the point of agitation and propaganda from any side.

One group is used to fend off the other group, I bet if someone called you commie
enough you'd push back too. It is very easy for you to ignore what the opposition
engages in rhetorically because it would damage the immediacy of your assertion.



posted on Nov, 19 2011 @ 01:16 AM
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There's a difference between "criticism" and "invective."

Here's a pointer. If you find you can't type up a criticism of OWS without sounding like someone from the John Birch society on meth ("These socialists are covered in lice and are trying to institute martial law to get Obama elected!!!!!), then you're probably engaging in "invective."

There's also underhanded invective, or perhaps, passive-agressive denigration. For instance, Beezzer there, has repeatedly and frequently blathered on about how he "doesn't know what the protests are about." This despite literally dozens of people explaining it to him, and having two months' worth of internet coverage to research. By now it's pretty clear that people like beezzer who are saying "I don't know what it's about" are in fact quite aware, and are just trying for - as they say on 4chan - "force a meme." (or "catapult the propaganda" as Bush the Former would say)

If you have criticisms beyond "you're stupid!" and are capable of expressing them in complete sentences that make sense - rather than trying to create new hyphenated words ("Marxo-leninist-nazi liberals!" has been one of my favorites) then by all means, bring it up. Don't expect rational discussion if all you bring to the table is insults, lies, and ignorance, though.



posted on Nov, 19 2011 @ 01:16 AM
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I know our gdm government is corrupt - OWS is doing nothing to spread the word - that's the problem. GET a Message. Stop hassling the 99%. I AM NOT against the message - just the stupidity of the delivery..
That's good, and I agree with you! That's why it's up to individuals to work towards the actual delivery! I'm trying to work on 40 different things at once, and I'm just one guy, but the work that I'm putting in can seriously make it go nationwide depending on how much effort I put into it.

There are several things that I want to get done, primarily educational campaigns. Occupykc focuses more on gathering people for one day events rather than actually large scale educational campaigns, so I'm working on that myself. I'm working on a mainstream media campaign right now, which serves to educate the public about the near monopoly of our corproate media, and how only 5 corporations dominate the MSM and shape public opinion using a variety of techniques.

I'd like to focus next on an educational campaign about the financial collapse: the causes, who was responsible, how it could have been prevented, how the American people were screwed over, etc. I would also like to focus on a Federal Reserve campaign. But these aren't easy tasks.
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posted on Nov, 19 2011 @ 01:17 AM
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I believe that I answered your question using that link.

But if you'd like, I'll answer again.

What was your question?



posted on Nov, 19 2011 @ 01:17 AM
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Originally posted by ker2010

I have no part of OWS but i do not believe for one second all of them are asking for handouts.



Now that OWS is gone, are you happy with the way this country is being ran? Are you happy with corrupt politicians that pander to special interest groups? Are you happy with the Fed Reserve and the continuous print of money in order to fund wars and line their pockets?


This is the truth I see, we are easily demonized because we are individuals up against
large organization with budgets to match.



posted on Nov, 19 2011 @ 01:17 AM
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Hey Einstein I'm not the one walking around with Red Flags calling for the end of the US Government. Or turn around and defend them as simply "Individuals within the Movement" instead of denouncing their activity



posted on Nov, 19 2011 @ 01:18 AM
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Respond to the points made in this post



posted on Nov, 19 2011 @ 01:19 AM
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I would also like to comment the people judging OWS on what a few idiots at the protests have done are probably the same people who tell us to not judge all cops based on videos of the bad ones.
The Irony...



posted on Nov, 19 2011 @ 01:22 AM
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Originally posted by ker2010
I would also like to comment the people judging OWS on what a few idiots at the protests have done are probably the same people who tell us to not judge all cops based on videos of the bad ones.
The Irony...



Agreed, like calling anybody who does not agree with OWS stupid sheaple, morons or brainwashed.
Irony indeed



posted on Nov, 19 2011 @ 01:23 AM
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posted on Nov, 19 2011 @ 01:26 AM
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Thank you, very very much!



posted on Nov, 19 2011 @ 01:27 AM
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What?

Did everybody just suddenly drop from an epileptic seizure due to ILikeStars Animated Gif?



posted on Nov, 19 2011 @ 01:27 AM
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No you're just the one coloring the rest of the movement RED because those with the flags aren't forced to leave.

As for the people you're in bed with.. I'd suggest perhaps greater discernment might benefit them.. before you inadvertently embarrass them with the association.

Toodles
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posted on Nov, 19 2011 @ 01:27 AM
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Stricter regulations would have prevented the financial collapse. This doesn't mean an overall bigger government in all sectors, but simply stricter regulations in financial institutions that have the power to screw up the country with their irresponsible actions. Don't get blinded by your small government ideology.


Splitting hairs. Just by eliminating laws that allow unions and corporations to fund PAC' ad politicians, would solve the problem.



People within the group may be, but that's not the intentions of the occupy protest. The goal isn't to get rid of capitalism, it's to get rid of crony capitalism. Some morons might tote "death to capitalism" banners, but they're ignorant. Don't generalize, because you basically just said that I'm anti-capitalist.


The people in OWS define the movement. And if you associate with the anti-capitalism crowd, then you define yourself by the company you keep.



posted on Nov, 19 2011 @ 01:30 AM
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So I guess the Founding Father's are stupid for giving us the right to peaceably assemble and openly denouncing the government for being corrupt?

Are you sure you believe in America's principles? OWS is doing what needs to be done. Like I said earlier, I was begging for a movement like this. When it finally does happen the trolls that are miserable about everything find ways to denounce it because they get enjoyment out of the attention it brings. They know more people agree with it than disagree so they denounce it because they know they will get a strong backlash.

You are no American I would like to fight along side. I'm pretty sure if this was 1776 you would have been one of those guys that ran over to the red coats side when things got ugly.

I honestly can't look at it another way. Every time someone denounces "Occupy" you are inherently siding with the US Government/The Federal Reserve/and Wall Streets actions. Actions that we can all agree are not just.

Tell me, if Occupy Wall Street never happened what would been accomplished otherwise? Protests are about awareness. More are becoming aware that is for certain. OWS was at 32,000 people yesterday and rising.

I can't believe how much this movie's speech so closely parallels the very reason Occupy started. Yet, you call yourself American and denounce the American dissent against its corrupt Government that is taking place.(Granted, I don't know if everyone who posted here is American. I know you probably like Freedom though)



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posted on Nov, 19 2011 @ 01:30 AM
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Making those contributions illegal.. won't stop them.


Your other point.. all that proves is that PART of the movement is anti-capitalist.

Try again?
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