Anti-OWS threads reach for everything they can to denouce the movement.

Originally posted by beezzer
Great. Either pick on Neo, or ignore the facts.

Facts.
Between the rapes, drug usage, violence, empty rhetoric; what else has OWS done?
They protest the banks influencing politicians, but ignore the unons doing the same thing.
They have garnered support from anti-capitalist, socialist, communist, anarchist groups.

But go on and pick on individuals who pointed out the flaws in this "occupation".

The OWS animals denounce themselves by defecating in public.

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In the future FreedomX should try not to misspell words in the thread title. ---- denouce ? ---

Originally posted by vasnas
thanks

Um, you're welcome.
(may want to work on that one-word reply, need at least two lines as well)

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reply to post by Kali74


You ever think that maybe "occupy" wasn't such a good idea?

Maybe sitting for weeks on end wasn't the right thing to do?

You have thousands of college grads, and this is the best they could come up with?
(caveat; Van Jones, Trumpka, DNC)

This is the best they can come up with. Niiiiiiiiiice.

reply to post by beezzer


Why do you think that is? The only reason congress exists is because it would have been impossible to get everyone's opinion on issues when the government was started. Each member is supposed to represent the people and make decisions based on what those people want. Now the people have the technology to actually let it be know for fact what they want rather than relying on a rep being in touch with them. It's so funny that our reps got so far away from us. We elect them in and not only are the not in touch with our wants and needs, but they don't care to be. It's ridiculous we shouldn't vote for anyone.
That would be a hell of a protest. No one votes. We demand a redraw. Toss them all in the bag and choose again.

reply to post by ModernAcademia


Why do you come into threads with that garbage. There are people on this site that oppose Occupy, but their eyes have been opened to the lies and smear. That doesn't mean they start supporting it. Most of them still don't, but they don't come into threads claiming all that non sense and the conversations have been a hundred percent better because they actually discuss it instead of just making the supporters angry. Don't you see that just coming into the thread with a straight up attack makes you look ignorant and actually hurts your cause more than using an intellectual argument to defend why you think the way you do?

I can go through and tell you why every one of your smears are incorrect, but it's not really even worth it, because you put no thought into them you just launched into every now cliched negative thing said about the movement.

reply to post by beezzer


A good or bad idea has equal right to be expressed. Does a Mayor get to order use of excessive force because something in your opinion is a bad idea?

Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by Kali74

 

You ever think that maybe "occupy" wasn't such a good idea?

Maybe sitting for weeks on end wasn't the right thing to do?

You have thousands of college grads, and this is the best they could come up with?
(caveat; Van Jones, Trumpka, DNC)

This is the best they can come up with. Niiiiiiiiiice.

Where is George Soros?

His troops have lost their mojo.
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Acorn 2.0 was exposed to the light of day by Fox News. It's over.

Van Jones is trying to pick up the pieces and reorganize but it's too late.

Nice try George.

reply to post by GogoVicMorrow
You're talking a direct democracy. To be frank, I'd have to give that some thought.

Messing with the Constitution makes me nervous.

Now, I see why a representative republic was necessary in the past. But a straight up democracy?

Hmmmmmmmmm, it'll require mor than a few "post a thread" moments to povide an actual, honest answer to that.

Time for a scotch, smoke, and some time to ponder.

(May watch my son blow up stuff on PS3 Star Wars for a bit )

reply to post by GogoVicMorrow

I can go through and tell you why every one of your smears are incorrect, but it's not really even worth it, because you put no thought into them you just launched into every now cliched negative thing said about the movement.

And thereby proving beyond a shred of doubt the veracity of this threads title...

It's similar to Olbermann saying we need Mike Bloomberg. We need people like that to show and remind us that the truth is definitely not always self-evident, and it needs to be actively defended.

Always....

reply to post by FreedomXisntXFree
What does someone from the OWS movement have to do for people like you to take pause?Everyday it is something else and you just brush it off as "another bad apple" or a media made lie.Do you have a number of bad people that will make you take pause or are you just a complaisant sheep that will make an excuse for any action this movement perpetrates?

Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by jibeho

 

It'll be interesting to see their "staying power". I've been writing, ranting, raging since 2008 when Bush signed TARP 1.0.

Funny, didn't see many folks then.

Guess they were too busy getting "free" stuff to bother.

edit on 19-11-2011 by beezzer because: (no reason given)

That's because they were not told to rise up and pay attention back then. They were lulled into a bizarre stasis up until now. They still are not taking aim at Capital Hill and the White House. I guess they haven't been reading the news lately. The cronies have been laid out on full display for them and still nothing. They'd rather heckle the cops and evil bankers.

reply to post by FreedomXisntXFree


Since OWS started there have been over 3700 incidents of sexual assault and/or rape. There have been several cops assaulted/attacked. 3 people have died. The entire movement has cost several million dollars for repairs and clean up in the various locations, but mainly in Oakland and NYC. The OWS people are denouncing themselves by acting in this manner. Anti OWS people (like me) need only to get out of the way because the OWS supporters have exposed themselves and are destroying themselves and their message by their actions and the inability to articualte any rational reason as to why they are there in the first place. They have exposed themselves as ignorant, out of control animals, living in piles of their own defication and urine. They are the very definition of, and epitomize what Sigmund Freud refered to as the "Id" component of the human personality structure... unorganized, impulsive, animalistic, uncontrolled instinctual behavior, etc... They don't realize that they are actually helping the cause of us who want a small, limited, CAPITALISTIC, free market based political/economic system, because they have now defined themselves and their movement, and therefore can be compared and contrasted to my movement. Now all that is left is for the rational minded, middle of the road Americans to make their choice on which side to support... gee, I wonder what side they will choose? BUT, just in case they do choose wrong, I will still continue to stock pile ammo, in the event that these idiots decide to come marching down my street. God help them if they do.

Irony.

Start a thread about about something and the same people come in and do the exact same thing.

I think what we have here is a lack of understanding of human nature, everywhere you go you will find idiots, in politics, in the grocery store, on the road, in YOU and in ME. This is human nature and in no way represents an idea, the idea is what is important and these people who are not usually accustomed to protesting and are trying their best achieve a goal. Though... there are idiots everywhere, even on ATS.

They are protesting the fact that people are suffering, it may not be them... it may be.

They are, in fact, protesting injustice.

So... let's not character assassinate OWS yet like every idiot on ATS does to every other member and youtube video already, lend an ear for a minute and try to understand:

A) What OWS means.

B) What OWS can potentially accomplish.

What I am saying is, put aside your specific beliefs about this or that for a second and understand how if everyone gets behind OWS, despite the fact that people defecate and cause ruckus, great things can be accomplished for the greater good of all.

The engine is primed and ready, it just needs a lot of fuel. The tightening leash on us by our respective governing bodies only serves to add fuel to the fire.

reply to post by GogoVicMorrow
Just reflecting, if we had a popular vote, then there would be;
No Obamacare.
No tax increases.
Wars would not be fought on a whim of a political leader.

So it does have merit.
*humble nod*

reply to post by beezzer


I think there would be universal healthcare though.. but it would be about one hundred percent better planned.

Other counts are both right. I am not saying, btw, that we would eliminate the checks and balances, just replace congress with a secure popular vote, via a voter i.d., easy access to a machine (home/library computers with a govt website), mandatory voting so many times a year/week (whatever needed and like jury duty), etc.

It would totally work if someone dedicated time to working the bugs out (possible fraud and people just voting without understanding what they are reading).

Maybe one day..

reply to post by jibeho


See this is where you guys blow my mind and where conservative media has got your brain in such a way that they cant twist you with a flick of the wrist.

Basically you are saying they didn't protest bad conditions under Bush, but are protesting bad conditions under Obama, because they somehow really like Obama, and if they had protested like this under Bush that would mean they liked Bush??

Jibeho's Mind:
Bush: Liberals hate him so the DONT take to the street in protest of the government and financial institutes taking tax payer money.
Obama: Liberals love him so they DO take to the street in protest of the government and financial institutes taking tax payer money.

Do you see how conservative media and spin has got you thinking completely illogical? Nothing about that makes sense, but conservatives are about to go into meltdown because they can't fathom what they think are liberal protesters protesting and showing dissatisfaction while under a "liberal" president.

Even though the protesters are all different types, non partisan, and Obama is middle of the road and barely a democrat at all, he's actually more like a republican by proxy.

Do you understand how paranoid that thought is? Why are people protesting and making the president look bad (yes it makes him look very bad, somehow you guys miss that) now? Because people are fed up! Bush was bad, but Obama is a sneakier version of the same bad. Occupy movement is against Obama.

Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by intelligenthoodlum33

 

Wrong.

The KKK protests, they don't represent me.
Communists protest, they don't represent me.
PETA protests, they don't represent me.
Why should Occupy protest and automatically assume that they represent me?

It's the epitome of arrogance, hubris, if you ask me.

Yes you just described the Tea party

See what i did there?

Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
reply to post by jibeho

 

See this is where you guys blow my mind and where conservative media has got your brain in such a way that they cant twist you with a flick of the wrist.

Basically you are saying they didn't protest bad conditions under Bush, but are protesting bad conditions under Obama, because they somehow really like Obama, and if they had protested like this under Bush that would mean they liked Bush??

Do you understand how paranoid that thought is? Why are people protesting and making the president look bad (yes it makes him look very bad, somehow you guys miss that) now? Because people are fed up! Bush was bad, but Obama is a sneakier version of the same bad. Occupy movement is against Obama.

On the contrary.

I can't count the times I was labled a Bush lackey, even though I railed against him.

The irony is that Obama, Pelosi still support OWS. Solendra can't make Obama look bad, Fast and Furious can't make Obama look bad. OWS is an Obama construct. Now you and I may agree on some issues, but we aren't OWS.

OWSis making themselves look like fools.

If you want my advice, splinter from them, stay focused, and disavow the politicans, unions, and fringe groups.

reply to post by FreedomXisntXFree

This is a response thread to the "OWS heckles children" thread. I like ATS but in the last two months I think we have forgot the reason we decided to be a part of ATS.
The problem I have is that stories like this are the only leverage Anti-OWS people have. Most Anti-OWSers have to stretch a story to make their claim.

All part of the ongoing psy-ops smear campaign, as only the Koch/Fox and 'social conservatives' can bring you.

Conservative Filmmaker Allegedly Passes Out Bongs To Occupy Wall Street Protesters

Conservative filmmaker Evan Coyne Maloney was spotted at Occupy Wall Street allegedly passing out bongs and Che Guevara rolling papers to demonstrators.

Video blogger Joey Boots caught Maloney purportedly distributing the drug paraphernalia at the demonstration and interrogated him about what he was doing with the items. “Do you have bongs and marijuana leaf pictures and stickers and Che Guevara?” Boots grilled Maloney, as transcribed by Raw Story‘s David Edwards. “Are you giving it out? Do you have it in that backpack?”

“Over there they gave out bongs,” exclaimed an Occupy Wall Street protester. “He’s like, ‘You answer, here’s a bong.’ Trying to get that one shot. All they had was bongs, peace signs with marijuana and Che Guevara rolling papers. Three things when Fox News gets it, they’ll just clip that then it’s just like protesters accept it.”

“Are we going to expect to see those pictures on Fox News?” Boots yelled out.

Even after getting caught staging his "expose" of OWS, he still passes off his video of 'drugs' at OWS as legit. (video is at Brain-Terminal.com)

Even Alex Jones is seeing this for what it is:

Alex Jones: Police send mentally ill, homeless, ex-cons to demonize OWS