What sort of sicko did this to a defenceless animal :'(

Originally posted by sine.nomine

Originally posted by Sherlock Holmes
reply to post by doobydoll

 

What's particularly sickening, is the fact that these dogs will probably be only too trusting of humans. They will probably just treat this as playing around, until the firework explodes.

I really think that the culprits need to be kept away from any kind of civilised society. If anybody can go through with something like this, then they clearly lack the most basic of human emotions.

What's the point of ''rehabilitating'' people who clearly do not possess a full set of normal human mental functions ?

And due to Einsteins grades, he was a lost cause too. Perhaps society should've castrated him and locked him away for some obscure event during his childhood.

Einstein wasn't a sick SOB who tried to blow a live animal apart with a firework for a laugh.

reply to post by spacekc929


I am going to have to vehemently disagree with your assessment. There have been numerous studies showing that serial killers, and evil people like these kids, have something wrong with their brain. They can't be stopped with love and anything of the sort. These "kids" should ABSOLUTELY be condemned for what they have done! I don't disagree there are many failures within our justice system and more rehabilitation programs could help petty criminals... but not these kids. These kids are seriously disturbed and clearly have no sense of morality. It's one thing to make poor choices or "act-out" - this, is something entirely different. This is nothing short of pure evil. Plain and simple. These kids need to be locked up forever to protect everyone and everything else because they WILL hurt more animals and probably people if they have the ability to do so.

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OMG, after all of that the kid would probably put a gun in his own mouth!
2nd

Absolutely horrible. That poor dog. It is completely beyond me how anyone could even think to do something like that. Whenever something as awful as that happens I pray that Jesus hurries up and comes back to end all this craziness.

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Dogs have just as much a right to live and not be tortured as humans do. What's disgusting to me, is not that people think these vile "children" ought to be seriously dealt with, but rather that you don't seem to think it's a big deal, telling us to relax. Forget the fact that the number one indicator of a serial killer is a child who abuses and kills animals... That kind of thinking is what is wrong with human beings. Our false sense of superiority over all else. Gandhi said it best: "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated” -- So what does that say about the "moral progress" of today?

animal cruelty like this should not be tolerated regardless of age.
i mean we could always start doing the same crime to the criminal...might fetch some decent results...

What sort of sicko would eat a defenceless animal that someone else has killed?
While I agree that we should get upset over such things as mentioned in the OP, this sort of bollocks occurs in the millions to satisfy people's bloodlust.
Have a look at your plate this evening when you sit down for a meal and ponder the fear that animal experienced prior to its slaughter.


I agree that love is the way, but it's unobtainable in this world as it would require a total overthrow of the system and there are too many powerful and vested interests in the way. That should never stop us striving for it, but without 'reforming' to rest of the system towards love, those predisposed to that sort of behaviour (through their upbringing/socialisation/'training') will continue to engage in it.

I am so sorry I looked at that picture

It is really horrible what people do, he isn't going to stop at animals, I really think he will work his way up to humans. I say put him down now!!

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All of that, is indicative of good parenting if a kid SHOPLIFTS. I don't think that you're grasping the fact that what he did was not "bad", it was evil. People with these brain defects, have no remorse, and no morality. You can't teach a conscience. You just can't. I understand what you're saying, but it won't work for people like this. There is no rehabilitation to be had. Oh, and animal abuse is a felony... I think he needs a little more than "grounding". I don't know that you grasp the fact that this was a living, breathing animal who didn't do anything to deserve this. Maybe instead of caring so much about the truly evil, remorseless, immoral child perhaps you could spend some of that energy on the INNOCENT animal that lost its life because of this demon child.

The more I look at the eyes of that poor dog in so much pain, the more rage I feel towards those sick pigs that did that to that beautiful creature that didn't deserve that.

I can't believe people are here saying these kids need "love and compassion" and that this is "not a big deal"

Originally posted by aorAki
What sort of sicko would eat a defenceless animal that someone else has killed?
While I agree that we should get upset over such things as mentioned in the OP, this sort of bollocks occurs in the millions to satisfy people's bloodlust.
Have a look at your plate this evening when you sit down for a meal and ponder the fear that animal experienced prior to its slaughter.

I agree that love is the way, but it's unobtainable in this world as it would require a total overthrow of the system and there are too many powerful and vested interests in the way. That should never stop us striving for it, but without 'reforming' to rest of the system towards love, those predisposed to that sort of behaviour (through their upbringing/socialisation/'training') will continue to engage in it.

This animal wasn't blown up for food, but for kicks, entertainment, pleasure, laughs. By psychopathic kids.

Originally posted by muse7
This is why the death penalty should apply to everyone, kids included

Fire with fire,they should have the SAME THING done to them...Thats it...theres the answer...Case closed...

BTW...How old were these kids? and where were their parents while this was happening?

Originally posted by Zhiavanja
reply to post by spacekc929

 

All of that, is indicative of good parenting if a kid SHOPLIFTS. I don't think that you're grasping the fact that what he did was not "bad", it was evil. People with these brain defects, have no remorse, and no morality. You can't teach a conscience. You just can't. I understand what you're saying, but it won't work for people like this. There is no rehabilitation to be had. Oh, and animal abuse is a felony... I think he needs a little more than "grounding". I don't know that you grasp the fact that this was a living, breathing animal who didn't do anything to deserve this. Maybe instead of caring so much about the truly evil, remorseless, immoral child perhaps you could spend some of that energy on the INNOCENT animal that lost its life because of this demon child.

People who have killed innocent people have felt remorse for their actions. People who have raped people have felt remorse for their actions. But the only reason you would put any effort into regretting is if someone else, one other person in the world, believed that you could. Believed enough in you to support you in your growth to being a better human being. Simply put, I disagree with your assessment that what the kid did was evil. It was wrong. It was heinous. It deserves serious punishment and would be something that should never be forgotten. But a child of 10 years old being told there is no hope left for him? What do you think he is going to do? Learn from his actions and become a better person? Nah. He's being programmed to believe he'll never change, so he doesn't.

That said, this is why as part of the punishment he would go to therapy. But I have a little brother who has been cruel to hamsters before. He is growing older now and it turns out he has Aspergers disease. He has gone to therapy and in my opinion my parents should continue it. He is not as antisocial as he was and he, from what I have seen, has grown up to be more empathetic and to care more about animals. I do not believe this would have happened if he had simply been beaten and then sent on his way. Therapy is important, especially in cases where a mental disease might be playing a part. Sometimes it is psychological, but I think if caught early enough on, the psychology can be addressed through therapy. Putting someone in therapy IS a way of showing compassion and love.

Originally posted by maddog99
I am a HUGE animal lover. My Pug is my little buddy for life and so is my cat and they even love each other!

Now, this is a very sick thing to do. But killing or physically hurting the person will not bring the animal back to life or change these kids. I would make them work at an animal hospital or shelter after school until they turn 18 or until they really show they've changed. They'll have to live with what they did for the rest of their lives.

I know. I had to put down a very ill animal when I was younger because there was no other way at that time. Even though I was told it was the right thing to do, the moment still eats away at me. Especially when it looked to me for help. Life is too precious...no matter what!

Based on previous studies, I don't believe sociopaths are capable of rehabilitation, but even if they were, I really don't think I would want them around more animals... ever. All it takes is for the supervisor needing to use the restroom, then he's alone with animals. He can't be trusted, in my opinion. The problem with people like this, is that unlike a poor choice like shoplifting or drunk driving, is the fact that these people have no conscience or remorse. They likely won't have to "live with what they did" because they don't care. It is unfortunate that there are people like that, but there are.

On another note, sorry about your old animal =( It's hard to do even when it's best for them.

Originally posted by blocula

Originally posted by muse7
This is why the death penalty should apply to everyone, kids included

Fire with fire,they should have the SAME THING done to them...Thats it...theres the answer...Case closed...

BTW...How old were these kids? and where were their parents while this was happening?

edit on 18-11-2011 by blocula because: (no reason given)

I know how everyone feels about this dog,i feel the same way...But we relentlessly slaughter cows and chickens in brutal ways and in "reality" they are no different than the dog and we eat cows and chickens after we murder them...

i have seen photos of wounded soldiers, who were 18yrs old, from ww1 that looked just like this dog...

Meat Is Murder...Like it or not...Thats the truth...

That is the MOST HORRIBLE Thing I have ever SEEN or Heard of. Most Animals are Trusting and Don't realize
what some Sadistic BASTARDS are up to. What A HORRIBLE CRIME to do to an INNOCENT Creature.
I Hope those BASTARDS BURN IN F%CKING HELL !!! And they probably will just get a Slap on the wrist.

God Bless that Poor Loving Animal I Hope it's Suffering is over. All Animals only ask For is Love .

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I agree with you, meat is murder, which is why I am vegetarian. I'm not against meat-eaters though, it's up to them what they eat.

What was done to this dog wasn't to feed anyone though, it was done for the fun of it.

My blood boils to imagine it's howls of pain and fear while the kids watched and laughed.

Originally posted by spacekc929

Originally posted by Zhiavanja
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All of that, is indicative of good parenting if a kid SHOPLIFTS. I don't think that you're grasping the fact that what he did was not "bad", it was evil. People with these brain defects, have no remorse, and no morality. You can't teach a conscience. You just can't. I understand what you're saying, but it won't work for people like this. There is no rehabilitation to be had. Oh, and animal abuse is a felony... I think he needs a little more than "grounding". I don't know that you grasp the fact that this was a living, breathing animal who didn't do anything to deserve this. Maybe instead of caring so much about the truly evil, remorseless, immoral child perhaps you could spend some of that energy on the INNOCENT animal that lost its life because of this demon child.

People who have killed innocent people have felt remorse for their actions. People who have raped people have felt remorse for their actions. But the only reason you would put any effort into regretting is if someone else, one other person in the world, believed that you could. Believed enough in you to support you in your growth to being a better human being. Simply put, I disagree with your assessment that what the kid did was evil. It was wrong. It was heinous. It deserves serious punishment and would be something that should never be forgotten. But a child of 10 years old being told there is no hope left for him? What do you think he is going to do? Learn from his actions and become a better person? Nah. He's being programmed to believe he'll never change, so he doesn't.

That said, this is why as part of the punishment he would go to therapy. But I have a little brother who has been cruel to hamsters before. He is growing older now and it turns out he has Aspergers disease. He has gone to therapy and in my opinion my parents should continue it. He is not as antisocial as he was and he, from what I have seen, has grown up to be more empathetic and to care more about animals. I do not believe this would have happened if he had simply been beaten and then sent on his way. Therapy is important, especially in cases where a mental disease might be playing a part. Sometimes it is psychological, but I think if caught early enough on, the psychology can be addressed through therapy. Putting someone in therapy IS a way of showing compassion and love.

I honestly can't, based on my morality, describe this as anything other than evil. Stealing is wrong. Cheating is wrong. Getting into a fist fight is wrong. Putting a firework into a living breathing dog's mouth and taping it shut, is evil. I'm going to reiterate what I said in my other post about the fact that studies have shown that the brains of psychopaths are physically different from that of a 'normal' person. Increasingly, brain scans of psychopaths are showing their amygdala and pre-frontal cortex areas of the brain aren't developed properly. It's not a behavioral issue. Show them all the love in the world, the fact that their brain did not develop as it should have won't change. In this case, I think he needs to be locked up, for a very, very long time. Locked away from any animals or humans he can abuse/kill. If during that time, he goes to therapy and it is discovered he has a treatable mental illness, then the situation can be re-evaluated but at this point, he sounds very much like a psychopath which at this time, has no cure.

I can understand, based on your family situation, where you are coming from. But there is a big difference between psychopathy and Aspergers. Primarily, in the fact that many children with Aspergers improve as they mature. The opposite tends to be true for psychopaths. I'm not necessarily opposed to trying to treat this child, but I feel very strongly that he needs to be in a facility in which he cannot hurt anyone else during that process.

Originally posted by Zhiavanja

I honestly can't, based on my morality, describe this as anything other than evil. Stealing is wrong. Cheating is wrong. Getting into a fist fight is wrong. Putting a firework into a living breathing dog's mouth and taping it shut, is evil. I'm going to reiterate what I said in my other post about the fact that studies have shown that the brains of psychopaths are physically different from that of a 'normal' person. Increasingly, brain scans of psychopaths are showing their amygdala and pre-frontal cortex areas of the brain aren't developed properly. It's not a behavioral issue. Show them all the love in the world, the fact that their brain did not develop as it should have won't change. In this case, I think he needs to be locked up, for a very, very long time. Locked away from any animals or humans he can abuse/kill. If during that time, he goes to therapy and it is discovered he has a treatable mental illness, then the situation can be re-evaluated but at this point, he sounds very much like a psychopath which at this time, has no cure.

I can understand, based on your family situation, where you are coming from. But there is a big difference between psychopathy and Aspergers. Primarily, in the fact that many children with Aspergers improve as they mature. The opposite tends to be true for psychopaths. I'm not necessarily opposed to trying to treat this child, but I feel very strongly that he needs to be in a facility in which he cannot hurt anyone else during that process.

I see what you are saying. But the kid is 8 or 10 years old. A psychopath cannot be treated when they are fully grown, but ALL children have a non-fully developed prefrontal cortex. And children who are not physically psychopaths, like my little brother, have done cruel things to animals. I am not saying that it is not a horrible thing to do, but I do not believe we have any evidence, beyond everyone's moral emotional reaction, that this kid is untreatable unless we are compassionate enough to send him to therapy before we lock him up, before he is even a preteen, for life. If it was determined that he was a psychopath and therefore untreatable, the proper response is to send him a children's mental hospital. NOT to castrate him and put a firecracker in his mouth to "show him how it feels". Period.

Can someone tell me how old these kids were? and where was mom and dad?...Hmmmmm?

There are a lot of brain damaged people that are allowed to roam around society...I guess it keeps the cops and lawyers and judges in business...Unbelievable...

Most serial killers whos brains were examined...Their pre-frontal lobes were not receiving enough oxygen and that warped their emotions and their self control...