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Originally posted by sine.nomine
Originally posted by Sherlock Holmes
reply to post by doobydoll
What's particularly sickening, is the fact that these dogs will probably be only too trusting of humans. They will probably just treat this as playing around, until the firework explodes.
I really think that the culprits need to be kept away from any kind of civilised society. If anybody can go through with something like this, then they clearly lack the most basic of human emotions.
What's the point of ''rehabilitating'' people who clearly do not possess a full set of normal human mental functions ?
And due to Einsteins grades, he was a lost cause too. Perhaps society should've castrated him and locked him away for some obscure event during his childhood.
Originally posted by aorAki
What sort of sicko would eat a defenceless animal that someone else has killed?
While I agree that we should get upset over such things as mentioned in the OP, this sort of bollocks occurs in the millions to satisfy people's bloodlust.
Have a look at your plate this evening when you sit down for a meal and ponder the fear that animal experienced prior to its slaughter.
I agree that love is the way, but it's unobtainable in this world as it would require a total overthrow of the system and there are too many powerful and vested interests in the way. That should never stop us striving for it, but without 'reforming' to rest of the system towards love, those predisposed to that sort of behaviour (through their upbringing/socialisation/'training') will continue to engage in it.
Fire with fire,they should have the SAME THING done to them...Thats it...theres the answer...Case closed...
Originally posted by muse7
This is why the death penalty should apply to everyone, kids included
Originally posted by Zhiavanja
reply to post by spacekc929
All of that, is indicative of good parenting if a kid SHOPLIFTS. I don't think that you're grasping the fact that what he did was not "bad", it was evil. People with these brain defects, have no remorse, and no morality. You can't teach a conscience. You just can't. I understand what you're saying, but it won't work for people like this. There is no rehabilitation to be had. Oh, and animal abuse is a felony... I think he needs a little more than "grounding". I don't know that you grasp the fact that this was a living, breathing animal who didn't do anything to deserve this. Maybe instead of caring so much about the truly evil, remorseless, immoral child perhaps you could spend some of that energy on the INNOCENT animal that lost its life because of this demon child.
Originally posted by maddog99
I am a HUGE animal lover. My Pug is my little buddy for life and so is my cat and they even love each other!
Now, this is a very sick thing to do. But killing or physically hurting the person will not bring the animal back to life or change these kids. I would make them work at an animal hospital or shelter after school until they turn 18 or until they really show they've changed. They'll have to live with what they did for the rest of their lives.
I know. I had to put down a very ill animal when I was younger because there was no other way at that time. Even though I was told it was the right thing to do, the moment still eats away at me. Especially when it looked to me for help. Life is too precious...no matter what!
I know how everyone feels about this dog,i feel the same way...But we relentlessly slaughter cows and chickens in brutal ways and in "reality" they are no different than the dog and we eat cows and chickens after we murder them...
Originally posted by blocula
Fire with fire,they should have the SAME THING done to them...Thats it...theres the answer...Case closed...
Originally posted by muse7
This is why the death penalty should apply to everyone, kids included
BTW...How old were these kids? and where were their parents while this was happening?edit on 18-11-2011 by blocula because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by spacekc929
Originally posted by Zhiavanja
reply to post by spacekc929
All of that, is indicative of good parenting if a kid SHOPLIFTS. I don't think that you're grasping the fact that what he did was not "bad", it was evil. People with these brain defects, have no remorse, and no morality. You can't teach a conscience. You just can't. I understand what you're saying, but it won't work for people like this. There is no rehabilitation to be had. Oh, and animal abuse is a felony... I think he needs a little more than "grounding". I don't know that you grasp the fact that this was a living, breathing animal who didn't do anything to deserve this. Maybe instead of caring so much about the truly evil, remorseless, immoral child perhaps you could spend some of that energy on the INNOCENT animal that lost its life because of this demon child.
People who have killed innocent people have felt remorse for their actions. People who have raped people have felt remorse for their actions. But the only reason you would put any effort into regretting is if someone else, one other person in the world, believed that you could. Believed enough in you to support you in your growth to being a better human being. Simply put, I disagree with your assessment that what the kid did was evil. It was wrong. It was heinous. It deserves serious punishment and would be something that should never be forgotten. But a child of 10 years old being told there is no hope left for him? What do you think he is going to do? Learn from his actions and become a better person? Nah. He's being programmed to believe he'll never change, so he doesn't.
That said, this is why as part of the punishment he would go to therapy. But I have a little brother who has been cruel to hamsters before. He is growing older now and it turns out he has Aspergers disease. He has gone to therapy and in my opinion my parents should continue it. He is not as antisocial as he was and he, from what I have seen, has grown up to be more empathetic and to care more about animals. I do not believe this would have happened if he had simply been beaten and then sent on his way. Therapy is important, especially in cases where a mental disease might be playing a part. Sometimes it is psychological, but I think if caught early enough on, the psychology can be addressed through therapy. Putting someone in therapy IS a way of showing compassion and love.
Originally posted by Zhiavanja
I honestly can't, based on my morality, describe this as anything other than evil. Stealing is wrong. Cheating is wrong. Getting into a fist fight is wrong. Putting a firework into a living breathing dog's mouth and taping it shut, is evil. I'm going to reiterate what I said in my other post about the fact that studies have shown that the brains of psychopaths are physically different from that of a 'normal' person. Increasingly, brain scans of psychopaths are showing their amygdala and pre-frontal cortex areas of the brain aren't developed properly. It's not a behavioral issue. Show them all the love in the world, the fact that their brain did not develop as it should have won't change. In this case, I think he needs to be locked up, for a very, very long time. Locked away from any animals or humans he can abuse/kill. If during that time, he goes to therapy and it is discovered he has a treatable mental illness, then the situation can be re-evaluated but at this point, he sounds very much like a psychopath which at this time, has no cure.
I can understand, based on your family situation, where you are coming from. But there is a big difference between psychopathy and Aspergers. Primarily, in the fact that many children with Aspergers improve as they mature. The opposite tends to be true for psychopaths. I'm not necessarily opposed to trying to treat this child, but I feel very strongly that he needs to be in a facility in which he cannot hurt anyone else during that process.