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Topic started on 18-11-2011 @ 03:19 AM by Thermo Klein
Face it, if you have a degree in Chemistry and Monsanto offers you a job for $90,000 a year, you probably won't care to quit that job even when you find out about some of their more nefarious doings. After all, you're a nice person and just making a living right?

Until things get REALLY bad the average person will do most anything before giving up their job.

But, there has been a HUGE change brewing (other than Occupying the street) that is being overlooked by the MSM.

(This thread is using U.S. numbers and focusing on the U.S. If people from other countries are seeing similar trends please comment!)

In the 1950s we all know there was the typical 1950s house with a stay-at-home Mom, Dad worked and they had a couple kids, a white picket fence, and a dog.

In the 1960s we got Rock n Roll, followed by the 70s with Free Love and the drug scene.

Something happened by the 1990s that, as Stanford University and Cal Berkeley called "one of the most significant educational movements ever to occur in the United States"

Alternative schools represent one of the most significant educational movements ever to occur in the United States. According to a 1999 study from the Policy Analysis for California Education (PACE) of Stanford University and the University of California, Berkeley, between 1993 and 1996 the number of students attending public schools of choice rose from 11 percent to 13 percent.

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Source

What do we have control over... RIGHT NOW.... as adults trying to stand against elite controls over us?
We can control how we raise and educate our children!

Gone are the days where every person went to public school except the tiny few rich kids. Gone are the days that being homeschooled had a stigma to it - oh, he must be a slow learner. Gone are the days that George Bush's No Child Left Behind fiasco can bring our children to the lowest common denominator in classrooms filled with 35 children and one teacher!

(For those not in the U.S.: "public" school is paid for by local, state, and Federal funds, mostly local and state property taxes, with no charge to the attending students' families. A "private" school in the U.S. is one that you pay a hefty amount to attend.)

Take a look at these numbers!!

but first a small caveat: Within the public schools numbers are hidden the "magnet" and "charter" schools, noted in the above quote as schools of choice. Most studies that make Mainstream news INCLUDE these together in the public schools saying there hasn't been much change.

here's an example:
From 1985 to 2009, total public and private school enrollment rates changed by 2 percentage points or less

a .gov FastFacts page

==> Why is this fact important?
The government reports a 2% change, but in actuality maybe 18% of those public school kids now attend a Charter or Magnet school!

We're seeing a HUGE change in what our children are getting!

a sidenote on Magnet schools:
Admission to individual public schools is usually based on residency. To compensate for differences in school quality based on geography, school systems serving large cities and portions of large cities often have "magnet schools" that provide enrollment to a specified number of non-resident students in addition to serving all resident students. This special enrollment is usually decided by lottery with equal numbers of males and females chosen. Some magnet schools cater to gifted students or to students with special interests, such as the sciences or performing arts.

Wikipedia

a sidenote on Charter schools:
Charter schools are primary or secondary schools that receive public money (and like other schools, may also receive private donations) but are not subject to some of the rules, regulations, and statutes that apply to other public schools in exchange for some type of accountability for producing certain results, which are set forth in each school's charter. Charter schools are opened and attended by choice.

Wikipedia


so, back to some numbers (hidden and overt):

Homeschooling was first tracked by the Department of Education in 1999. At that time 850,000 kids were schooled at home.
By 2003 it was 1,100,000
.... 2007 it was 1,500,000
and by 2010 it was 2,500,000 kids whose parents refused to let the schools indoctrinate their children into servitude (this ATS author's opinion), among other reasons.
Source: Lloyd, Janice, Gannett News Service (January 5, 2008). Home-schooling numbers rise. Burlington Free Press.
and National Center for Educational Statistics

It's proving difficult to find numbers for specific Charter and Magnet groups and when found they're broken up into small incremental age groups. But here's the basics on Magnet and Charter schools; refrences at end.

From 1999/2000 to 2008/2009 the total number of students onrolled in Charter schools more than tripled.
National Center for Educational Statistics

A current breakdown by state, available here, shows a wide variance among states with some states with as high as 22% of students in magnet and charter schools, and a few as low as 2%. With the average population showing roughly 15% of our public school children attending some sort of alternative school.



edit on 18-11-2011 by Thermo Klein because: minor tweeks and adding links



reply posted on 18-11-2011 @ 03:20 AM by Thermo Klein
Why choose Magnet/Charter/Private/homeschooling?

There are quite a few reasons people choose an alternative school rather than a common public school (remember both are free and paid for by taxes, grants, and fundraising). It began in the mid-90s for various reasons including this Supreme Court ruling on fairness.


In a 1996 ruling, the Connecticut Supreme Court held that as a result of racial and economic isolation in Hartford and racial segregation in the 22-district region, Hartford public school students had been denied equal educational opportunity under the state constitution. The remedy called for a system of magnet schools to help bridge district boundary lines, a vital policy development since most school segregation today exists between different school districts, not within the same district. Today, the state has a system of more than 60 interdistrict, regional magnet schools.

National study finds magnet schools more effective at raising reading and social studies achievement than regular public schools, Catholic or secular private schools

Diversity Research Brief No. 6

Magnet and Charter schools can also focus on specific learning styles (Liberal vs Militaristic, Sports, Science-based, etc)

Children who attend magnet and charter schools showed tendancies to be more accepting of racial diversity, had much higher test scores across the board, had better social interaction skills, and showed a higher level of self-esteem (based on a self-assessment survey)

I believe the parents of our world ARE MAKING A STATEMENT. We may not all be out holding signs in front of the Federal Reserve but it’s very clear that if more than A QUARTER of our children are being put in alternative schooling options that we ARE saying WE WANT CHANGE!!



How is the Establishment fighting this?



How about the same old scheme they pulled on the homeowners!! Offer loans to anyone, kick up the price of education by about 5 times, and sit back and collect. The people can't get hired anyway!

It’s also quite significant that some of Education resources and news media report this major change as almost no change at all! If we’re to judge schools by taxes instead of teaching methods, true, there aren’t many changes. If you judge it by how many people are making a specific choice against public schools the numbers speak for themselves.


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reply posted on 18-11-2011 @ 03:38 AM by Thermo Klein
If you live in America and aren't familiar with these styles of teaching take a look at a couple websites for Charter/Magnet schools I found!

Wintergreen Interdistrict Magnet School

Washington Open Elementary School

I know of a local very Liberal school where a parent of each child is required to help teach 2 hours per week. The class size is only 18 and often times there will be 3 or 4 parents besides the teacher and teacher's assistant.

Compare this to class size of up to 42 in some states!! No comparison.

With talking to local parents I heard a great quote about one local school that is particluarly militaristic, "Whatever social issues those kids might have.... they sure can fill out a form!" (talking about her neighbor's 2nd grade daughter).

I also have heard about some of the sports oriented schools that have kids playing multiple sports, using sports trivia to teach math, etc.

Big changes to what we saw just 20 years ago.
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reply posted on 18-11-2011 @ 11:17 AM by Thermo Klein
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Thanks for sharing all that! I'm sure there is still a lot of social stigma about a homeschooled person not fitting in, etc.

My daughter is almost four. We're looking into every option EXCEPT standard public school. Class ratios in my area are 35 kids to 1 teacher. How can first graders learn a thing with 35 kids in the class??


reply posted on 20-11-2011 @ 04:53 AM by ShockTruther
I went to a magnet school and the education I got was unique (I also was placed in gifted classes) during my primary years. However, the magnet school still had normal social studies and history. So, as far as getting the truth (in the subjects where truth is a concern) it was still indoctrination. These schools will probably lead to a better basic education in whichever flavor they are, but as far as developing better critical thinking skills... Well, that may be a stretch based on how most of my classmates turned out.

These schools are still public schools, they just focus on a certain subject area. For example, my town had a Computer/Tech magnet school and an Arts magnet school. The big push now is STEM schools (Science Tech Engineering and Math). These are also public schools, but they almost completely eliminate electives and focus on the subjects indicated. I think these schools are too unbalanced for kids, especially young kids. They eliminate any subject where individual thinking is strongly encouraged and make kids very skewed toward left brain thinking.

My opinion is that policy makers for public schools look at children as products that will feed into the economy. Therefore these STEM schools serve to better indoctrinate children and simultaneously produce good little tech worker drones to compete with those produced by the Chinese school system. STEM schools are popping up everywhere and even in the the "normal" public school that my wife works in they have eliminated electives in favor of double periods of Math and English. Art and Gym are the first to go, reducing freethinking and producing less healthy kids that will feed the pharm industry.

As bad as public schools are, I am also a bit worried about the potential for charter schools to be just as bad or worse. Specifically I worry that corporations will eventually create "chain schools" similar to chain stores. This would allow a parent corporation, for example let's say Coca-Cola or Haliburton, access to an enormous captive audience of very young and impressionable kids. Sure they'll have to spend time actually teaching the kids so that they meet certain testing standards, but with some lobbying these standards will eventually be reduced and then education can shift to lessons that more directly benefit the parent corporation. Also, these schools would still be funded by tax payers, because kids get a voucher from the government to pay for charter schools. I think the potential for a wide variety of very disturbing consequences is obvious in such a scenario. For example, a syndicate government forming as kids from such an education system get older and become entrenched in positions of power. I keep picturing Pink Floyd's The Wall.

I am delighted to see home school numbers increasing and I had no idea that there were that many home school kids. I am working on my first replicant and I plan on home schooling for most if not all of its education until college. My wife is a teacher with a bachelors degree in Archaeology and a Masters in education, while I hold a Masters in Microbio. So, yeah I feel confident that between the two of us our kids will get a better education at home. I just wish that the government would provide vouchers to help pay for home schooling the same as they do for kids going to charter schools. Of course, I don't ever see that happening.

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reply posted on 20-11-2011 @ 04:56 AM by TheWalkingFox
reply to post by Thermo Klein



Heh. Know what you're looking at?

Politicians consciously making policy to destroy public schooling.
Then giving taxpayer money to campaign donors to open "charter schools"

Seriously, the knuckleheads in America keep electing people who promise to destroy education in this country, and then act surprised when schools do poorly. Duh?

'Course, given how much value most Americans seem to put on education, hardly surprising, I guess.
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