ATS: We Have Failed!

Ats didn't fail because of its majority opposition to the Occupy Wall Street.

Everyone has their own choice to make and their own opinion on the matter
and we should respect these opinions whether they be for or against.

However ,most Americans have failed in the sense that they have turned most everything
into some sort of a debate. Some things should not be debated. Take for an example ;
You see a dying man on the street and you debate if you should help him until he dies.

This may seem hard to understand for many of you but this is the reason for the failure of Ats.

I see failure, but not where the OP does.
I see a failure of the New World Order to control our minds.
I see a failure of the Mainstream Media to control our minds.
I see the success of the Alternative Media to educate people on WHAT REALLY HAPPENED. .com
I see the vaccine industry going down. I see people recognizing a tyrannical, immoral, and totally corrupt federal government,
AND DOING SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
Somebody is watching too much Mainstream Media.

As a fiscal conservative I supported this movement. The entire system needs reformed. It truly makes me sick to think about how messed up this place is. So much to do and things we can all agree on, but nothing ever gets done. I am sincerely sad to see it end like this.

I hate to even bring this up as it seems like a shameless plug. But if we want things to change we need to elect ron paul. He's not right about everything but he has stands for some damn real things and we need a change from the status quo.

The problem is very simple, and generally overlooked by people such as yourself: The OWS people did not stand on any principles that actually represented the claim of 99% representation. Most of the OWS people stood on socialism, communism, and stealing from those who work for a living.

reply to post by LifeIsPeculiar


I think you are totally wrong about that. What these people want is not communism, its economic justice. They want a chance to work for a living wage, to not be financially destroyed if someone in their family gets sick, and to have a future for themselves and their children. They want capitalism, but what we have now is NOT capitalism, its crony corporatist fascism. The right wing likes to label any attempt to move from the current fascist regime to democracy "communism" or "socialism" as boogie man words to marginalize the real message, which is we want a fair system, not a system rigged to have all wealth flow upwards and all debt downwards.

Originally posted by openminded2011
The right wing likes to label any attempt to move from the current fascist regime to democracy "communism" or "socialism" as boogie man words to marginalize the real message, which is we want a fair system, not a system rigged to have all wealth flow upwards and all debt downwards.

Absolutely spot on.... the "campaign" against these movements and the way that these words are bandied around is actually quite revealing and interesting.
It's certainly opened up my eyes to how things are in the US (being in the UK myself) and how difficult it must be over there.

Anyone wants any kind of help, anyone wants to end corruption and calls out the corruption and injustice they see in the banking sector and by corporations.... and they are labelled a "Commie" or a "Socialist" or even worse.... A LIBERAL??

Seriously.... what a place.

:shk:

reply to post by smithjustinb

Until they are successful.

They won't be without bloodshed. I will not tolerate a conversion to communism on my watch. You are not the 99%. You are a tiny misguided minority of spoiled and selfish malfunctions who won't work within the system. The Tea Party approach is working within the system, and making progress. #ting in the park is not EVER going to help anything.

You are just plain dilusional to think you represent anything other than a very tiny faction of our society.

Originally posted by seagull


In this age of the ten second sound bite, and fast everything, we've forgotten patience. To effect radical change takes time.

Originally posted by seagull
OWS requires patience, and commitment.

I might not agree with the methods,or even this movement,but I will agree with what you said wholeheartedly.

I also will say when you have a defeatist attitude,a quitters take on your beliefs,you are doomed to fail.

Originally posted by JibbyJedi
Intelligent people know better than to waste their time sitting around parks waiting for some miracle to occur.

Nothing will come of this event except 1000s of people with brand new arrest records. Wall Street remains unaffected. The banks remain unaffected.... besides BoA's withdrawn fees. That might have been the biggest accomplishment of this whole movement.... saving $5 per transaction. A victory, but not nearly the victory that they aimed for.

Really?

So what's your solution?

Because from where I'm sitting, history has shown that the ONLY way to meaningful change has been through protest by many in order to shine a light where the "status quo" gang don't want it to be shone.

reply to post by LifeIsPeculiar

The Tea Party approach is working within the system

I think the tea party started out as people wanting change, but it has been hijacked by the Koch brothers, everyone knows this. So instead of working within the system, the system is working within the tea party.

reply to post by openminded2011

I think you are totally wrong about that. What these people want is not communism...

That isn't what their signs said. Those who could actually articulate anything intelligible said the same, even if not in so many words. They do want a stronger government to take from "earners" and give it all to "the people". Since when is that not communism?

The system works, but not when stupid people vote for the likes of Ted Kennedy, Nancy P., and Obama. The government took hard earned tax dollars from the people and gave it to the failures on Wall Street. Yet, somehow the OWS retards think that is Wall Street's fault. The OWS seem quite incapable of cause and affect analysis, and certainly seems unwilling to admit they either don't vote or voted for the stooges who put them in the current situation.

Work within the system, and do your research before you attempt vote away your white guilt.

reply to post by sheepslayer247


IMO ATSers are mostly net-worm people who can not act in their real world. They just theorize , but they can't act. They are trapped in the net and all the virtual world.

reply to post by sonnny1


I have issues with means as well. I think OWS would have/will be better served to head for Washington DC. The Mall would be a wonderful place to hold a peaceful demonstration. Loud, passionate, and peaceful. But they also need to unify their many voices. That's an undeniable must.

reply to post by openminded2011

but it has been hijacked by the Koch brothers, everyone knows this.

This is the stupidest mantra I've heard oft repeated. How did the Koch Brothers hijack the movement? Did they paint the signs, make the costumes, choose the topics of dissent, or pay people to attend? NO! There is no entity to be hijacked!!!! Those "Koch Brother" claims are just silly.

I can assure you, I've never received a check from the Koch Brothers or anyone else for that matter. My participation has been on my own time and at my own expense. No one has attempted to influence me in any way. This is the same for all those in attendence.

reply to post by LifeIsPeculiar


Think what we have now. We have had 30 years of tax breaks for the rich, which has worked out very well for the rich, but impoverished the rest of us. Then those very same rich people use the infrastructure that WE the common people pay taxes for, roads, airports, ports, to enrich themselves even further, and DONT want to pay for it, they want the working man to pay for it. We do want a change in that we want the government to favor more than just one percent of the population. You are against a government that favors the people but seem to be just fine with one that promotes oligarchy.

reply to post by LifeIsPeculiar


Be careful what you ask for.

reply to post by sheepslayer247


ATS hasn't failed, it never really accomplished anything in the first place. There is nothing special about ATS, just another board filled with people's egos.

After yesterday you would think OWS is just as alive as ever, in visiting their website it doesn't look like they think the movement is dying. CNN was covering them all day long.

Originally posted by sheepslayer247
...
Many of you tossed the Occupy movements to the side as a political inconvenience and ridiculed the people that were willing to take a stand on principle. These people didn't want to enact a liberal socialist regime that took away capitalism and individual freedoms! They wanted a small glimpse of hope that their future would be brighter than the inside of a corporate cubical or less depressing than an unemployment line.
...

I call BS... Again, and for the hundreth time, why didn't you all support the Tea Party? Why start your own liberal movement which is funded, and controlled by liberals/socialists?

No matter how many times you, or any other OWS fan wants to claim the contrary, the evidence is there for all to see. We can find EXACTLY who started this movement, and what groups are behind it. Even in pamphlets of these events given by the fans you can find the funders/partners which are listed and ARE ALL A WHO IS WHO IN LEFTWING POLITICS... Yet you want to claim this is not true?...

reply to post by openminded2011

You are against a government that favors the people but seem to be just fine with one that promotes oligarchy.

Ah, you have been promoted to mind reader!

No, I am not in favor of redistrubution of wealth, for that is stealing. I do well in life because I made decent choices, something that is not in evidence with those OWS children.

Our form of government works quite well. Quit voting for fools, and you'd be surprised at how things imporove. Ted Kennedy was voted into office for many years, and nothing good ever came from that man. Such voter nonsense is the norm. People just don't do any research into how or what "their man" is actually doing in Congress, they just keep voting for "their man". Next they complain that things aren't going very well.

The problem is not, was not, will never be Wall Street. It is the Congress. That is still in the hands of the voters. It is still possible to raise candidates of choice and then vote them into the office. The Tea Party model is the proper model, and it has worked very well. The trouble is, there are still too many complacant votors as well as those who think the Koch Brothers have anything at all to do with that movement. I assure you, the Kock Brothers have no affect whatsoever in the voting booth.

STOP VOTING FOR IDIOTS!!! (Or begin your voting participation intelligently, as the case dictates.)

Do you vote?

So you cry out for revolution and then criticize it when people try to make it a reality.

reply to post by daryllyn


i would hardly call OWS a revolution.
It was really nothing more than a temper tantrum by a bunch of spoiled brats.
A revolution is more than a couple hundred people. A revolution involves thousands of people, a percentage of the population. OWS wasn't even .00001% of our population.

Originally posted by sheepslayer247
That's right ATS.....we have failed!

No. ATS is not a policitical movement, it's an online forum filled with participants from every spiritual view and political view, from countries around the world and from all different walks of life who come here to discuss and debate various issues. You're very misguided if you think ATS = OWS. Some ATS members will lament the disappearance of OWS, others will cheer it and yet others are ambivalent about it. ATS gives a home to all.