Revelation Decoded, the 4 horsemen are not what you think

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posted on Nov, 17 2011 @ 07:33 PM
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Part 1

The seven seals contained secret information known only to God until the Lamb was found worthy to open the scrolls and to look on the contents. What is contained therein was only for the eyes of the Lamb.
However, through his kindness and willingness to share this information with the saints, we find the conditions and circumstances that would take place in the time frame of each seal. Most of the seals tell of the antichrist's activities and lend encouragement to the saints of each period.

First Four Seals

The first four seals describe how the four horses (doctrines) of the early church time periods changed from white to red, then to black and finally to pale. This doctrinal deterioration was brought about by the influence of antichrist.
The most commonly held view usually describes these four horses of the Apocalypse as an end-time Armageddon scene. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Four horses (doctrines) represent
four time periods of the early church.

These four horses describe the first four stages of the church. It is not an end time vision at all. It makes nice magazine covers to picture death and hell riding dramatically forth into the world. However, the truth be told, the first horse and horsemen refer to the historical situation in the Ephesus period of the church. The next three horses and horsemen pertain to Smyrna, Pergamos and Thyatira, respectively.
The story of these first four seals is the decline of pure doctrine and the ascent of false teachings. Notice that Jesus does not try to head off the apostasy as it thunders forth. Rather, he strengthens the faithful and encourages them with wonderful promises.

The evidence seems quite clear that Jesus, the Lamb, opened the seven seals before he wrote to the angels of the seven churches. Jesus said in Revelation 1:18, before he wrote to the angels of the seven churches,

"I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death."

The resurrected Lamb that opened the "seven seals."

"And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.

"And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne." Revelation 5:6, 7:

The "Lion" of the tribe of Judah prevailed to open the book. Notice the change of metaphor. It is not the Lion that opens the seals. It is the Lamb who receives the book or scroll. The Lamb opens all the seals.


The Lamb

Just because the messages to the seven messengers appear first in Revelation is no proof that Jesus sent his message to each angel before he opened the seals that covered the events of each church. Revelation was written to conceal from most people its message, as well as to reveal to those living near to him.
Hence, the "seven Spirits of God" are first described in Revelation 4. But in Revelation 1:4 John gives us the greetings of these seven Spirits.

"Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne."

This proves John saw Revelation Chapter 4 before he wrote Chapter 1.

"And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; these things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God." Revelation 3:1

The seven Spirits of God were shown to be before God’s throne in Chapter 4, but were transferred to the Lamb in Revelation 5:5, 6, and who is then said to have these "seven Spirits." Through him they were to be "sent forth into all the earth." This confirms the principle that "all things" are of the Father "by the Son" (1 Corinthians 8:6).
At the time of sending his message to the "angel" of Sardis Jesus says that he "hath the seven Spirits of God." All "seven Spirits" are sent to all the seven churches, but one at a time. They are sent through the Lamb who was declared "worthy."
What was Jesus going to do with the knowledge opened to him in each seal? He would prepare each stage of the church against the dangers facing it through its "angel." Secondly, he would place before all the churches the promises of the "seven Spirits."

Jesus inserts one of the "seven Spirits'" messages to each stage of the church at the end of each letter. That is how they are all sent forth into "all the earth."
Jesus has two objectives with each message. Warnings are given to the apostates and marvelous promises to the faithful, to encourage and strengthen them.

Part 2

Who opens and reads the messages of "The Seven Seals"?

To understand the story of the "seven seals" we need to understand who is worthy to receive and open the "seven seals." No one was found worthy before Jesus to "open the book, and to loose the seals thereof."
At last the "the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof" (Revelation 5:5).


The "Lion of Judah" does not actually open the scroll. The metaphor changes. The "Lamb" who opens the seals, however, is the same person. Hence, it was to be opened to our Lord’s eyes, for he alone was worthy "to open the book" and "to look thereon." It is not our privilege to do so. However, the Lamb has invited the John Class to share some of the insights of what is contained on these scrolls.

We get a second-hand look at this sealed information through the angel showing it to John. Not because we are "worthy" to look thereon. The "worthy Lamb" has, in his mercy and kindness, allowed us a peek into these "sealed" mysteries.
We must always remember that this information was secured by the "worthy Lamb" at great cost to himself. He alone "is worthy." It is with great mercy and condescension on his part that we are given such information.
We must never forget this information was designed primarily for the "Lamb" himself. He was to look upon the "scrolls" and to be privy to the information contained therein. When he understands each "sealed" message, he then sends a message to the "angel" of each church.

Admittedly, the story of the "seven churches" precedes the story of the "seven seals" in the Revelation narration. In reality, however, Jesus opened each seal and received the information contained therein before he wrote to the angel of each "church."

Jesus cared for the saints in each period of the Church through a chosen angel or messenger.

It was necessary for Jesus to receive and understand the information on these "scrolls" so he could speak respecting the needs of each church. It was his responsibility to care for the saints in each period. He fulfills that responsibility by addressing each "church" through its angel.

Link to this article and its a long article but worth the read:

www.revelation-today.com...




posted on Nov, 17 2011 @ 07:43 PM
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Needless to say, if you call yourself of anything more than just a christian and follow certain doctrines and denominations, you have become a part of the synagogue of satan by inserting your will and pride into a sect or organization belonging to a certain teaching.

Non denominationalism is the route to go, call yourself of no church like Baptist, Pentacostal, Methodist, Catholic, Presbyterian, Lutheran etc for you fall into satans trap and not one we should be falling into. Since the deaths of the Apostles we have been infiltrated and subverted away from Yeshua ha Meshiach's will and path by the synagogue of satan.

So this is why i had been getting dreams lately of the Holy Spirit telling me to break the denominations and tear down the walls that separate us and make the bride ready and to put on white.We need to return to our first love (he whom we know as Jesus Christ).



posted on Nov, 17 2011 @ 07:44 PM
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Sorry but this is a load of horse dung!

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posted on Nov, 17 2011 @ 07:51 PM
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Im gonna have to s&f ya for effort on the thread as I enjoy these types of reads, however I cannot grasp something that is not real anyhow, but nice job good read



posted on Nov, 17 2011 @ 08:30 PM
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nice theory OP

would be better if you elaborate on each horse

eg how do you relate the black horse, and the voice,

"a measure of wheat for a day's pay, and do not harm the oil and wine"

most of us think this has to do with bees - since olives and grapes are apparently the only food plants that dont need bees to pollinate



posted on Nov, 17 2011 @ 08:39 PM
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4 horsemen refer to the 4 things that happen around wars:

Ist, the war itself. Destruction of infrastructure. Any period in history will show that war is a conquering thing. The first act is to invade any country, city or castle you care to name and deprive the occupants of power, water, food, sanitation, transportation, escape, and destroy targets ability to make war or resist.
In the olden days before repeating rifles, the internal combustion engine and aircraft, the usual approach was to surround any city or fortress, lay "siege", and wait for:

The 2nd horseman. This is the starvation, famine portion of the siege. Everyone in the region, city fortress, starves.

Then the third horseman comes calling. This is pestilence or plague. The result of weakened immune systems brought about by starvation, lack of clean drinking water and built up sewage and garbage, dead bodies etc. All the nasty diseases take hold and spread like wildfire thru the population. This can take time. (10 years between the first and second Iraq wars). Libya is currently in the starve mode...

Next is the fourth Horseman: mass death of segments of population. Many have died already and the number grows and grows until thoroughly weakened by all this the survivors surrender and to the victors go the spoils.

So when you hear of "sanctions" and "No Fly Zones" and "air strikes", you know another siege is beginning. Multi phase operation, modern warfare uses the same time worn tactics, just different instruments. This is war in all its many forms over the centuries, it has always used this same scenario:

Ist---- War
2nd---Famine
3rd----Disease
4th----Death

Terms change. Horseman is old reference. You know... comes a horseman. Armies rode on horseback for thousands of years. Todays equivalent is the mobile infantry and airforce.



posted on Nov, 17 2011 @ 09:18 PM
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I also enjoyed the read. Whether we find the truth or not, what matters is that it is in our heart to seek it. You're obviously doing that... good job!



posted on Nov, 17 2011 @ 11:55 PM
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Needless to say, if you call yourself of anything more than just a christian and follow certain doctrines and denominations, you have become a part of the synagogue of satan by inserting your will and pride into a sect or organization belonging to a certain teaching.


Incredible... so now you say fellow christians are part of satans synagogue for merely having a different interpretation of a text that is written in symbolic language.

And just how is your interpretation of the 4 horsemen exempt from having YOUR own will and pride?

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posted on Nov, 17 2011 @ 11:55 PM
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They have nothing to do with the doctrines of the early church. If you read Revelation, the "candlesticks" are the church. When Christ receives the scroll and begins to open the seals the "candlesticks" (church) is in heaven worshiping the Lamb. The first rider is the antichrist, he's imitating Christ who will also come on a white horse. The other riders that follow are dependent upon the first horse, the antichrist. They follow in his wake.



posted on Nov, 18 2011 @ 12:02 AM
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Anyway, the colored horses are symbols that appear elsewhere in the bible as well.
Refer to Zechariah 6:1-3

"Then I turned and raised my eyes and looked, and behold, four chariots were coming from between two mountains, and the mountains were mountains of bronze. With the first chariot were red horses, with the second chariot black horses, with the third chariot white horses, and with the fourth chariot dappled horses—strong steeds."

If these are the same as the horsemen written about in revelations, then they are the “four spirits of heaven, who go out from their station before the Lord of all the earth" as explained by the angel.

My guess is that the horsemen with the horses could be accompanying angels/spirits tasked with carrying out the various end time events written of in revelations.


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posted on Nov, 18 2011 @ 12:11 AM
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The first rider is the antichrist, he's imitating Christ who will also come on a white horse. The other riders that follow are dependent upon the first horse, the antichrist. They follow in his wake.


Whether the horsemen are the good guys or the bad guys is a subject of debate. Some interpret them to be the forces working for God.



posted on Nov, 18 2011 @ 12:14 AM
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Originally posted by sk0rpi0n
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The first rider is the antichrist, he's imitating Christ who will also come on a white horse. The other riders that follow are dependent upon the first horse, the antichrist. They follow in his wake.


Whether the horsemen are the good guys or the bad guys is a subject of debate. Some interpret them to be the forces working for God.


Yeah, and some people also think they are the reincarnation of Jesus Christ. Doesn't matter. The rider on the white horse is the antichrist. The riders that follow cause massive death and destruction, they are not on the "good" team.



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posted on Nov, 18 2011 @ 12:32 AM
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The rider on the white horse is the antichrist. The riders that follow cause massive death and destruction, they are not on the "good" team.


Well, you seem to forget that God also causes massive death and destruction on a global scale.
The 4 horsemen seem to just be carrying out orders to cause massive destruction.

If the 4 horsemen are evil, as you say... then how come we don't read about their defeat in the bible?

Think about it... the anti-christ, false prophet, whore of babylon and all the other "bad guys" are defeated... but NOT the 4 horsemen. Why is that? hmmmm??



posted on Nov, 18 2011 @ 12:41 AM
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Originally posted by sk0rpi0n
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The rider on the white horse is the antichrist. The riders that follow cause massive death and destruction, they are not on the "good" team.


Well, you seem to forget that God also causes massive death and destruction on a global scale.
The 4 horsemen seem to just be carrying out orders to cause massive destruction.


Well, I suppose you could look at it that way, not a single thing happens on Earth that isn't given the "green light" from the One seated upon the throne in heaven. In that context I suppose you're correct.


If the 4 horsemen are evil, as you say... then how come we don't read about their defeat in the bible?

Think about it... the anti-christ, false prophet, whore of babylon and all the other "bad guys" are defeated... but NOT the 4 horsemen. Why is that? hmmmm??


You don't recall reading the defeat of the antichrist in the Bible? Interesting. And the other riders are events that happen in the wake of the antichrist arriving on the scene. One is death, how do you defeat "death"? The other is war. How does one defeat war again? The other rider is the sickness, pestilence, and high prices that will arise out of war. How again are these supposed to be "defeated"??

The "defeat" you're seeking is when the true rider on the white horse comes from heaven to bring His kingdom to Earth. Death will cease, war will cease, pestilence and the like will cease, and certainly the antichrist will cease.



posted on Nov, 18 2011 @ 12:55 AM
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You don't recall reading the defeat of the antichrist in the Bible? Interesting.

Did you even read what I typed? I clearly said that the anti-christ is defeated along with the false prophet, whore of babylon and all the other bad guys.




the other riders are events that happen in the wake of the antichrist arriving on the scene. One is death, how do you defeat "death"? The other is war. How does one defeat war again? The other rider is the sickness, pestilence, and high prices that will arise out of war. How again are these supposed to be "defeated"??


The 4 horsemen are not merely "events" as you say.
They are clearly entities that carry out those events.
These events or calamities are judgements of God and the horsemen are simply carrying out orders.

If they were indeed evil, as you say, they should have been defeated like the other bad guys... but instead they just come, do their business and leave.



posted on Nov, 18 2011 @ 01:03 AM
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Originally posted by sk0rpi0n
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You don't recall reading the defeat of the antichrist in the Bible? Interesting.

Did you even read what I typed? I clearly said that the anti-christ is defeated along with the false prophet, whore of babylon and all the other bad guys.


I did read that, but you didn't stop there you said this:

"but NOT the 4 horsemen."

The antichrist is the first horseman of the apocalypse, he is resoundingly defeated.





The 4 horsemen are not merely "events" as you say.
They are clearly entities that carry out those events.
These events or calamities are judgements of God and the horsemen are simply carrying out orders.

If they were indeed evil, as you say, they should have been defeated like the other bad guys... but instead they just come, do their business and leave.






Which is what fallen angels have done since Genesis, no big news there. Their final judgment is awaiting them. And they "just leave" when Christ returns and sets up His kingdom. They are bound with satan for 1,000 years and not given permission to do their evil plans.




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posted on Nov, 18 2011 @ 01:26 AM
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The antichrist is the first horseman of the apocalypse, he is resoundingly defeated.


Thats the part that is heavily debated.
The anti-christ and his buddies only have the power to decieve, corrupt and use brute force against believers. They DO NOT have power over plagues, famines, war etc. like these supernatural spirits sent by God.

I also pointed out earlier the 4 colored horses in Zechariah that are parallel to the ones in revelations.
In Zechariah, they are described as "spirits of heaven". I believe these are the same horses we see in Revelations... because they are both carrying out Gods judgement.

That, and the fact that these entities remain undefeated further prove that the horsemen are agents of God.... and not another set of "bad guys" in revelation.


the similarities between Zechariah’s vision of the chariots and the horsemen shown John are:
-Four different categories of horses ride with a global ministry.
-The horses ride at the command of God—they serve God’s purposes.
-The horses ride in judgment.
-The horses have similar colors representing victory (white), bloodshed (red), black (judgment), and pale or dappled (sickness leading to death).


www.spiritandtruth.org...
This is one of the many results that came up when I searched for "Zechariah" and "horses". Im not the only one saying this. Research this yourself.





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posted on Nov, 18 2011 @ 01:34 AM
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Dude, have you even read Revelation 6? The meaning of the horses and riders on them is given except for the white horse rider. But the clues tell the story. He comes in peace, he is a ruler, he doesn't provide peace, but conquers everything in his path. The following horses are what happens in the antichrist's wake. War, pestilence and hyper-inflation, and finally death.

The angel tells John what these horses represent.





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posted on Nov, 18 2011 @ 02:15 AM
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The meaning of the horses and riders on them is given except for the white horse rider.

Exactly. They carry out disasters on earth... the judgement of God.
And why are you ignoring Zechariah 6? It is strong evidence that the 4 horses are spirits working carrying out Gods will.



(on the anti-christ)

He comes in peace,.....


This is where you are severely wrong.
It seems your understanding of the white horseman being the AC rests on the myth that the AC "comes in peace" as you say.

The anti-christ is CLEARLY described as a warmonger.

Please re-read revelation 13:1-7 -
we see people saying "who can make war against him?"...and later, it is written that "he was given power to make war against the saints". Does this even remotely sound like someone coming in peace?

Now its established that the anti-christ is a warmonger, it is bizarre logic to connect the symbol of an unarmed white horseman to a warmonger.


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posted on Nov, 18 2011 @ 07:15 AM
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First of all, the white horseman is not unarmed, he has a bow in his hand, and I'll give you a hint, it's not a rainbow. And Revelation 13 doesn't describe his COMING, that is in Revelation 6. Ever heard of this:


"For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, ...... and they shall not escape." 1 Thes. 5:13

"And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many:" Dan. 8:25

He rises to power preaching world peace, then when in power the world will see that nothing peaceful about the man exists.






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