The cover up as to God's gender, page 3

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reply posted on 17-11-2011 @ 11:16 AM by Firefly_

reply to post by WarJohn

Seems to me this is nothing more than your fantasy. I would like some actual evidence please.

reply posted on 17-11-2011 @ 11:52 AM by SmArTbEaTz

Originally posted by getreadyalready
reply to post by caladonea

"Historical?"

Is there some credible source out there verifying a god even exists? Historical would imply facts and there are no existing facts about god whatsoever. To many people god is imaginary.

BUT, as for evidence, there are many, many religions that think God is female.

Gaia, Hera, Vishnu just to name a few very well known ones off the top of my head.

A quick look at Wiki shows several Hebrew mentions, if you are only interested in Christian or pre-Christian female Gods
Agrat Bat Mahlat
Anath
Asherah
Ashima
Astarte
Eisheth
Lilith.

Once again, I don't believe a god has any defining qualities that any human can comprehend, so it is a worthless discussion, but I'd like to reiterate that the OP's account sounds like a brilliant adolescent fantasy and basis for a great porn, and real or fiction, either way, I'm interested in a starring role!

Great answer... and from a Mod too? What is this world coming to?

Oh yeah the end according to the prophets from the past 10 centuries...

I talk to God - Saint ~ I talk to Satan - Nutcase ? ? ? Why can't they both be nutcases?

reply posted on 17-11-2011 @ 11:59 AM by Logarock

reply to post by WarJohn

If God were a female she never would have made an Eve for Adam. Women just dont do things like that. A female would never had said "its not good for Adam to be alone".

reply posted on 17-11-2011 @ 01:03 PM by tallcool1

Originally posted by WarJohn
reply to post by UnlimitedSky

For this God I'm talking about perfected a designed thing called sex to go weller between two or more physical bodies in paradise. This God takes part in sex.

For us here in the "lower realms", sex was made enjoyable in order for us to be more inclined to populate the planet. While an eternal orgy with a sex goddess in the next life sounds appealing to my current physical self, I tend to believe that the simple joy of being in an eternal non-physical body would be so much more fulfilling than our current carnal minded thoughts can comprehend.

It's like, why not take part in certain of your own creations?

Um...well personally I have been a part of making 3 beautiful "creations" that are my daughters. I have absolutely no interest whatsoever in "taking part" of them and I think it is a pretty twisted and disgusting person who would "take part" of their creations. What is wrong with you?

reply posted on 17-11-2011 @ 01:16 PM by abeverage

I have always thought that applying a gender to the creator shows the lack of imagination of humans. It is the same as not being able to see that evolution is a design by a higher intelligence. It is why it took us so long to accept the earth was not flat nor the center of the universe. But that is what humanity does is look at differences in each other instead of the likenesses, even missing what their science tells them is divine. It is why they fail to grasp that the true creator would not be limited by Gender or colors or any other "Human" conditions.

But sure... ok this week your concept of God can be female...next week an alien...the week after a flying noodle monster (I mean no offense so please do not take this as such). Just making a point that why does the creator need a gender? Or a starship for that matter (sorry that was a StarTrek pun but shows you don't limit a creator).

reply posted on 17-11-2011 @ 01:29 PM by tinfoilman

reply to post by WarJohn

So wait, which one was a female? Are you saying Jesus was the female? Or are you saying that Jesus' "Father" in Heaven is a female?

Sorry, but even if true we'd have to go with what we know. What we know is they said Jesus was a male and he refered to God as his father and not as his mother.

EDIT: Also you're claiming that you've talked to God personally, so are you claiming to be a prophet? The Bible says that if any prophet speaks anything that does not come true, or is not CONSISTENT with the Bible as it already is then they should be put to DEATH. Usually by stoning.

Even if God was a female, it is not consistent with the Bible as it is already written so you wouldn't be allowed to say it according to God's law.

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reply posted on 17-11-2011 @ 01:36 PM by dontreally

I thinks its clear that the original poster has mental problems.

I posted this in another thread:

Generally speaking, the reason God is referred to in the masculine, is because "creation", all things which exist and are expressed, are feminine i.e. the effects, relative to the underlying cause, which is regarded as masculine.

In the human analogy, man gives his seed - which contains the 'blueprint' and information of a life, to the female, which takes that seed and gives expression to it through pregnation.

Same thing with nature. The rain provides the basic needs for life to thrive, and the earth takes that raw potentiality, and gives expression to it through plants, animals etc.

This is the metaphysics behind why we refer to God in the masculine, and why we refer to nature i.e. "mother nature", in the feminine.

Some religions, like Christianity and Islam, give expression to the divine feminine in private, akin to how a man goes out into the world to find the sustenance for living (again, the masculine is always abstract, outside, potential) whereas the woman takes that sustenance and creates a home, within their own 'world', of the house (a feminine structure), and raising their children......

Should the feminine be publicized, without jeopardizing the divine dynamic found throughout creation?? some people think this is the root cause of disorder in the world. Its because man goes outside of the divine order of things, that disorder enters the world. Otherwise, some people believe, man would be above the fluctuations of this lower world; he would be as God intended: a Bnei Elohim.

reply posted on 17-11-2011 @ 01:48 PM by liliththedestroyer

Originally posted by WarJohn
The cover up as to God's gender was very successful. There is no book in the bible being true about God's gender. Not even the books Jesus' words are in. Proving that Jesus is with the cover up. There is also no Christian religion teaching the truth to God's gender.

What is being covered up, even by that Jesus character, is that God's true gender is female. Why? Just to please the men who ruled the world back in the days.

Jesus is revealed as all for the cover up. As you've read Jesus makes out God the heavenly Father (a he).

My source is God Herself. The only actually good alpha female will have a few two-way communications with her elect in some other format of communication unknown to the planet's so called know-it-alls who are not elect.

The God I know is radically sexual, and full of desire, in an elect's uttermost desireable ways. Do you all even know what this means for the elect when up in paradise? I think you do.

No religion has things 100% right. No book has things 100% right. Just the elect can attain certain things 100% right, let the motherly God provide them.

How can so many of you not get the slightest inkling that God is female? The cover up doesn't need to be any longer. This isn't the days written about in history books anymore. Let the wrong know.

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I will go a bit further and say since we are all created in God's image, and i do believe we are all Gods then God is Male and Female. God is male and female energy. I could have Lilith was the Mother of all, before Eve? Or she is Eve. Those are also some possibilities.

reply posted on 17-11-2011 @ 02:56 PM by Myollinir

Alright kids: listen up.

The one thing we know from the Bible itself is that we were created in God's image. Now taking into account that we are both MALE AND FEMALE, this would make God's image more of a mental/conscious thing rather than a physical appearance. The reason we put "He" on God is because God acts more like a fatherly figure than a motherly figure. We identify His presence as though He is like our own physical birth father with the actions and words that are given to us.

As to argue what gender God is - that's a ridiculous argument. It's a word we give to God because we are human and we are imperfect.

reply posted on 17-11-2011 @ 02:59 PM by dontreally

reply to post by liliththedestroyer

God is neither male nor female in his essence.

Relative to the creation (the feminine), He is called in the masculine. When within creation, He is referred to in the feminine, for instance, as the Shekinah (in Kabbalistic thought)...

What the OP is talking about is a pure perversion of the divine order, hence, he doesn't sound very sane. The feminine is emotional energy, while the masculine is intellectual energy. The OP is going on about 'sexual energy' blah blah blah, and the destructive power of feminine energy lies in its sheer desire to consume when not held in restraint by the masculine.

reply posted on 17-11-2011 @ 03:11 PM by dontreally

reply to post by Myollinir

The reason we put "He" on God is because God acts more like a fatherly figure than a motherly figure. We identify His presence as though He is like our own physical birth father with the actions and words that are given to us.

If you're going to condescend and call everyone "kids", at least know what you're talking about first.

God is called "He" for the reasons i stated about. Its a metaphysical principle. The masculine is abstract, transcendent, potentiality, causative, and active, while the feminine is tangible, immanent, expressive, effective and passive.

Examples i provided above were:

A man provides the seed, the abstract potential and blueprint for life, while the female takes that potentiality and gives expression to it within her womb.

In Nature, the Rain provides the raw potential energy for life, while the earth takes that raw potentiality, and gives expression to it through plants, animals, life....

The Intellect relative to the emotions is masculine. The intellect is 'without' the body, in the head, encompassing it the way the potentiality of the fathers seed enters the females womb through the erect penis, which symbolizes the penetration into creation (the feminine) by the divine power of growth. The emotions conversely are passive, to be filled by the light of the intellect.

The power of life is the power of the feminine, hence, Chava - Eve in Hebrew - means "Life".... While the power of growth is the power of the masculine.

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reply posted on 17-11-2011 @ 03:33 PM by Sigismundus

reply to post by dontreally

Hi Don't Really

CHAV VA in paleoHebrew, in case you did NOT know does NOT mean 'life' - that would be heb. 'Chayyim' (which is normally plural, as in 'L'Chayyim' (lit. 'to lives !') or more rarely in the fem. sg. 'Chayyah'.

'Chav vah' literally means 'a female gossip' - from CH-V-H - 'to spill the beans', 'tell a secret', 'let it be known', 'gossip...' possibly because she was able (somehow !) to 'speak with the Nahash ('serpent') in the so-called Garden of Q'eden.

It could well be that the original paleoHeb ugaritic lettering consonantal texts prior to 420 BCE may have had something like 'Ch-Y-H', in Gen. 3:20 -meaning 'Life' (sg) the text which immediately follows after all states : 'because she is the mother of all Living...'

But somehow the consonantal text was later changed from Chayyah to Chav vah (possibly after Ezra's changing of the aleph-beth in c. 420 BCE to the new square Aramaic letters - that is, away from the older Phonecian horned paleo-Ugaritic shaped letters the Israelites stole, or more politely 'borrowed' from the Cannaanites prior to 420 BCE) - who's to say...

Interestingly perhaps the paleoHeb Chayyah (sg of Chayyim,. 'life') is curiously similar to the Aramaic word for 'sexual desire', 'lewd slipperiness' , 'wicked or naughty behaviour', 'ruination' or even 'serpent-like' (Aram. Chiw-ya)...

At any rate, be VERY careful about your paleoHebrew etymologies...they can be very tricky...

Also note that ELOHIM ('gods' - but in the paleoHeb governs a singular verb e.g. 'bara' = to create) is the MASCULINE Plural of a FEMINIINE SINGULAR 'Eloah' (lit. 'clan goddess') - the singular of which was used by the poetic author of the so-called book of Job beginning in chapter 3 where the POEM stars ('and Eloah said...')

We also reflect on the androgyny of ADAM in the 1st Priestly Creation Myth of the Jews in Genesis (chapter 1:1 to 2:4a, continued in Gen Chapter 5:1) where we note phrases like Gen chapter 5:1

'And in the Day of THEIR creation, when Elohim made them male and Female in his own Image, he blessed THEM and he called THEIR name ADAM....'

So ADAM in Gen chapter 5:1 is BOTH male AND female - and ELOHIM (the masc. plural of ELOAH) is BOTH male AND female ('he created them in his own image, male and female, and he called THEIR name Adam...')

So when people say that the 'creator gods' of the benei Yisro'el is always male, they might do well to take a paleoHebrew course and learn what a PLURAL is !!

reply posted on 17-11-2011 @ 03:54 PM by randyvs

reply to post by getreadyalready

But, just in case I'm wrong, and being the horndog that I am, I would love to believe in a radically sexual female God, and on your next correspondence, please pass on my best regards and let her know I am always available!

Damn stud I didn't think you were contsciously capable of such blasphemy. I am surprised by this.

Here you go op.

YouTube Link

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reply posted on 17-11-2011 @ 04:06 PM by dontreally

reply to post by Sigismundus

'Chav vah' literally means 'a female gossip' - from CH-V-H - 'to spill the beans', 'tell a secret', 'let it be known', 'gossip...' possibly because she was able (somehow !) to 'speak with the Nahash ('serpent') in the so-called Garden of Q'eden.

YAWNNNNN......

Im not sure if you've ever read the Bible before (aside from taking that much vaunted course of yours in paleo-Hebrew) but it often happens in Biblical Hebrew that a name is introduced, like Eve, and the subsequent sentence follows with "and ......." playing on the root letters in the name.

examples being

וַתִּקְרָא שְׁמוֹ, מֹשֶׁה, וַתֹּאמֶר, כִּי מִן-הַמַּיִם מְשִׁיתִהוּ

וַיִּקְרָא הָאָדָם שֵׁם אִשְׁתּוֹ, חַוָּה: כִּי הִוא הָיְתָה, אֵם כָּל-חָי.

This is taken from wikipedia:

Bible, Eve (Hebrew: חַוָּה, Ḥawwāh; Arabic: حواء‎, Hawwa'; Ge'ez: ሕይዋን Hiywan; "living one" or "source of life", related to ḥāyâ, "to live"; ultimately from the Semitic root ḥyw[1]; Greek: Εὕα[2], heúā) is Adam's wife

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The root idea of Eve is life, of 'living', and no, there is no mistake in the text.

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reply posted on 17-11-2011 @ 04:09 PM by apushforenlightment

It all make sense now. All the crap that have happened to me. God is my vengeful exwife that have been making my life a living hell. I still love you but im not doing the dishes or taking out the garbage.

All jokes asside I dont think so. God is all sexes at the same time and none since I belive in the law of one. That states All is One. The question I ask myself is what gender will I be after death as a spirit/soul?

Namaste.

reply posted on 17-11-2011 @ 04:15 PM by Warpthal

reply to post by WarJohn

Why do you have to speak as a God as a human? God is neither human animal etc. God is divine, not male or female.

reply posted on 17-11-2011 @ 04:17 PM by ChemicalAssassin

I have to say that I know the duality of beings, and God is both yin and yang.
Masculine and Feminine.

reply posted on 17-11-2011 @ 04:18 PM by isthatright

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reply posted on 17-11-2011 @ 04:19 PM by isthatright

Originally posted by caladonea
reply to post by WarJohn

You say that God is female....very interesting. Please give to me some sources...written in historical records that agree with you.

The records were written by men

reply posted on 17-11-2011 @ 04:21 PM by LucidDreamer85

reply to post by WarJohn

Wow your just as bad as what you talk against.

The Great Infinite that always was and always is and always will be is neither Male or Female.

We still think in term of male or female at this level of our being.

It's obviously above most of our understandings otherwise this wouldn't even be an issue.

I love how people love to be right just so they can feel good about their own beliefs. Pretty much what this website has turned into in the past couple years.

The only truth that should concern you is that you don't know everything and you can still learn more. Forever and always, the search and gain of knowledge is endless and that is our purpose.