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Originally posted by pavil
Originally posted by Ben81
They will be helped by China .. no doubt about that
imagine if both allie their army
they will be unstopable
Everyone is stoppable with Nuclear weapons......... Even us. They are the great equalizer, which is why countries want them. What makes you think dropping a few tactical nukes wouldn't make any country stop and take pause. Lose 5 to 10 divisions in a matter of 10 minutes and you change your mind pretty fast.
Russia, nor China haven't had the massive military buildup necessary to do what you claim. You would see the buildup years, if not a decade away. Neither of those countries have ever demonstrated the logistical supply line capability that will be necessary for such a Campaign. They have a long way to travel just to get to the fight.
Originally posted by LightAssassin
reply to post by AllUrChips
The US could be Babylon.
But I completely disagree with this thread. No SnF.
Babylon (Arabic: بابل, Babil; Akkadian: Bābili(m); Sumerian logogram: KÁ.DINGIR.RAKI; Hebrew: בבל, Bābel; Greek: Βαβυλών, Babylōn) was an Akkadian city-state (founded in 1867 BC by an Amorite dynasty) of ancient Mesopotamia, the remains of which are found in present-day Al Hillah, Babil Province, Iraq, about 85 kilometers (55 mi) south of Baghdad.
Originally posted by AllUrChips
Replace Russia with US and your on the right track. You see, when the bible was written the US was not known. Back then, NO ONE could have imagined the TRUE EVIL that would emerge from "between the two big waters"
Originally posted by Partygirl
If they have their tanks and uniforms ready with desert camo, head em up and move em out.
It will take them a while to get there
Originally posted by Lazarus Short
Here is the big flaw in the OP's argument: Israel. It is too easy to think "Israel" in the Book of Ezekiel is the same as a certain rogue nation in Palestine which calls itself "Israel." Was that Ezekiel's intent? He speaks of the "mountains of Israel." Now these mountains will lie wherever Israel happens to be, and remember, the primary meaning of "Israel" is a people, not a political entity.
Note carefully: Ezekiel does not mention even ONE landmark of the country he must have known very well. The invaded country is simply one with mountains where the people of Israel happen to live. Further, he describes this country (and the OP leaves this out, for it does not support her conclusions) as a "...quiet, secure population, - all of them without walls, or bars and having no gates!" [Ferrar Fenton version]. Does this sound to anyone like Jewish-Occupied Palestine? Ridiculous!
This land is North America.
In the Book of Revelation, the destruction of 'Babylon', a city which seems to be a symbol of every kind of evil, is foretold. The connection with the actual historical city of Babylon is usually held to be metaphorical. Virtually all New Testament scholars believe that "Babylon" is here used as a metaphor, euphemism, or 'code word' for the power of the Roman Empire, which was oppressing the nascent church much as the Babylonian empire had oppressed the Jewish people in Old Testament times; with the reason given usually being that it was not considered safe or prudent to speak openly against Rome.
Elsewhere in the Book of Revelation, Babylon is the name of a whore who rules over the kings of the earth and rides upon a seven-headed beast. In one of the Bible's most famous cases of numerology, the beast is assigned the identifying number 666 (believed by a few scholars[who?] to be Nero).
Whom or what Babylon refers to in the Book of Revelation has been the subject of much speculation over the centuries:
As noted above, the standard scholarly interpretation is that Babylon symbolises Rome and the "Whore of Babylon" therefore either refers to the Roman emperor, or personified the power of the Roman Empire under whom many early Christians and Jews were persecuted, tortured, and martyred for their beliefs because they would not submit to the Roman Emperor as a god. Many scholars[who?] believe that the early Christians used "Babylon" as a euphemism for pagan Rome, so that their small community wouldn't be found out and persecuted even more.
Some Fundamentalist Protestant[which?] commentaries on the Book of Revelation treat the references to the city Babylon in Revelation as both the City of Rome and the Roman Catholic Church personified in the institution of the papacy. Some Protestant denominations today do not give credence to such arguments however.
Jehovah's Witnesses believe that Babylon represents all false religion (i.e.: that thought to be disapproved of or condemned by God).
A modern interpretation is that the Whore of Babylon refers to the institution of multinational corporations. (whore - one whose loyalty can be bought; rules over the kings of the earth - is more powerful than any individual secular government.)
In the Rastafari movement, Babylon is a key theological concept referring to any oppressive power structure that adherents believe has been responsible for stealing and oppressing them for generations and still today. However it also refers to the literal Tower of Babel, which Haile Selassie sometimes referred to in his speeches, seen as an act of human rebellion against JAH.
The considered opinions as to the identity of Babylon in the New Testament need also factor in biblical references to a geographical feature that is close-by to the historical site of Babylon; that is the "great river Euphrates", as mentioned specifically in Revelation 9:14 and Revelation 16:12.
Originally posted by jcord
Rosh = head and has zero to do with Russia
Daniel is done and has zero to do with the Revelation
Russia may invade the ME, but that is because Leonid Elenin = Lenin need oil
Many Biblical scholars believe that "Babylon" is an allegory of Rome; perhaps specifically at the time to some aspect of Rome's rule (brutality, greed, paganism), or even a servant people that does the bidding of Rome. In 4 Ezra, 2 Baruch and the Sibylline oracles, "Babylon" is a cryptic name for Rome. Elsewhere in the New Testament, in 1 Peter 5:13; some speculate that "Babylon" is used to refer to Rome. In Revelation 17:9 it is said that she sits on "seven mountains" (the King James Version Bible—the New International Version Bible uses the words "seven hills"), typically understood as the seven hills of Rome. A Roman coin minted under the Emperor Vespasian (ca. 70 CE) depicts Rome as a woman sitting on seven hills.
"The next great war will not be with the Arabs, but with the Russians" (!) - General Moshe Dayan, 1968
-It needs a war-water port in the Middle East and Israel can offer that.
It is a chance to assert hegemony over the declining USA and for Russia to celebrate its rising world status as a “BRICs” nation.
-Russia wants to have a greater say in the control of Middle Eastern OIL.
Originally posted by VonDoomen
reply to post by RebelRouser
ya, and the reason that powerful people(pike, putin) might throw their weight at these ideas, is because they have the power to actually help fulfill said prophecies. Not to mention, Pike was a leader of the freemasons for a while. We all know they like to scheme in private, and such goals could be co-opted to bring more wealth and power to themselves at the expense of the naive.
Also, I laugh at how you bible thumpers say we can believe in fallible men, but not the bible.
And my response is, which bible? The one King James had created? Or another one created by another person looking to use it as power over NAIVE people?
Originally posted by TheChamelon
reply to post by Partygirl
I think you are right PartyGirl. The Russians and the Muslim countries will invade Israel. They will be joined by the EU as most Europeans hate Jews and believe all kind of crazy conspiracies about them.