What do Freemasons want? Or the Question is: What are Freemasons actually waiting for?

Originally posted by Klassified
I take what I read on the internet about freemasonry as mostly disinfo with a bit of truth and fact thrown in for good measure. But I can tell you what a very high ranking free mason said to me once when I ask if they had any kind of plan or endgame they were working toward.

"Yes, yes, we do have a plan. That much I can promise you. We do have a plan. And it has never changed. Nor will it ever change."

FWIW.

The Internet is the worst source of information on Masonry in the world. If you want the real truth, go visit a lodge. If you want to research, go to the Library of Congress and figure out how to use the Card Catalog.

And if you did happen to have such a conversation with what you call a "High Level Freemason", did you ask what he meant? I believe the answer he would give you would be far from what you would expect.

Originally posted by CasiusIgnoranze
reply to post by Saurus

 

To be honest, MODs are better off closing this thread considering the fact Freemasons are never going to answer my initial question because they had to swear an oath which they can't break under the pain of death. Hence always troll and ridicule those who reveal their secrets.

edit on 16-11-2011 by CasiusIgnoranze because: .

You have not even come close to revealing any "secrets". That is why you are being ridiculed. Every claim you have made is of absolutely NO significance to Masonry. So any Brother would laugh at you for the sheer idiocy of your claims. To put it simply: You don't know Jack about Masonry. Nor will you ever, if you keep that ignorant narrow-minded view of life.

reply to post by AugustusMasonicus


Your attitude shows arrogance and pride.Remember pride and arrogance leads to downfall.Your God Lucifer(if Albert Pike were to be believed) fell because of pride and arrogance.

Originally posted by LightCraft

Originally posted by Dr Cosma
They want a masonic world (isn't it already?).

2) Are NOT Devil Worshippers

Where's the proof in this?

Where's the proof that says otherwise?

I'm not the one that made the OP, now am I?
Would love to see some sources to back up claims.

reply to post by LightCraft

So any Brother would laugh at you for the sheer idiocy of your claims.

Yes because that's the way to go forward isn't it?
Laugh at the rest of us.
If that's what you're here to do then fine, but some of us actually like the topic at hand.
In my honest opinion, I think every thread posted about masonry in ats are hijacked by the girl guides, that's just my opinion of course, my honest one.

Now run and star your buddy, c'mon you know you want to.

Originally posted by ludwigvonmises003
Your attitude shows arrogance....Your God Lucifer...

Actually, your post shows arrogance, and quite a bit of ignorance. To imply that I worship a fictitious entity is the height of arrogance and ignorance. Only a fool believes in Satan/Lucifer/The Devil.

reply to post by AugustusMasonicus

To imply that I worship a fictitious entity is the height of arrogance and ignorance. Only a fool believes in Satan/Lucifer/The Devil.

So you don't believe in God?


ETA:

I guess not

reply to post by Dr Cosma


Dr Cosma

Do not assume that everyone on this site is polytheistic like you.

Some of us believe that there is one God, no more, no less.

A disbelief in one of your gods by some of us on this thread does not imply no belief in the God.

There goes Logic out the window again.

reply to post by Dr Cosma


So by your simple line of thinking one must believe in the boogieman, otherwise they can not believe in a god.

Is that correct?

Or am I just twisting your words

Please explain yourself, I would really like to know how you come to such a position.
And for the record I don't believe in the Devil or Hell. Though I do believe in a God, go figure.

Originally posted by Dr Cosma
So you don't believe in God?


ETA:

I guess not

Why does belief in God require a belief in Satan?

reply to post by Saurus

Do not assume that everyone on this site is polytheistic like you.

Polytheism is the belief of multiple deities also usually assembled into a pantheon of gods and goddesses, along with their own mythologies and rituals.

Doesn't masonry accept men of all faiths with different Gods?
Do masons perform rituals?

I'm not polytheistic. Quite the other way around.

reply to post by AugustusMasonicus

Why does belief in God require a belief in Satan?

Because God is from the Bible and Satan is his adversary?
So how can you cherry pick what suits you better from the Bible?

Originally posted by Sauron
reply to post by Dr Cosma

 

So by your simple line of thinking one must believe in the boogieman, otherwise they can not believe in a god.

Is that correct?

Or am I just twisting your words

Please explain yourself, I would really like to know how you come to such a position.
And for the record I don't believe in the Devil or Hell. Though I do believe in a God, go figure.

edit on 17/11/2011 by Sauron because: in a

Please quote when I wrote that you believed in the devil.
There seems to be a misunderstanding.
The OP claimed that masons are not devil worshipers.
I don't know if he's correct or not and that's why I asked for proof as he's the one claiming it, not me.
Isn't that what were supposed to be about on ats?

I'm just saying, how can one believe in God and not Satan?

Originally posted by Dr Cosma

Because God is from the Bible and Satan is his adversary?
So how can you cherry pick what suits you better from the Bible?

It is not necessarily to believe in the Bible literally, or even figuratively, to be a Mason. I certainly don't believe in the literal existence of the devil from the Bible, as this character is quite obviously a Hebrew version of the Egyptian god Set, with ideas from Zoroastrianism thrown in (Ahriman).

reply to post by Masonic Light

It is not necessarily to believe in the Bible literally, or even figuratively, to be a Mason. I certainly don't believe in the literal existence of the devil from the Bible

So if you don't believe in the literal existence of the Devil then why do you believe in the literal existence of God?
Didn't you have to believe in a God to be a mason?
What if a mason believes in the Devil as his God?

Originally posted by Dr Cosma
Because God is from the Bible and Satan is his adversary?
So how can you cherry pick what suits you better from the Bible?

Why do you assume my God is the Biblical God? Why do you feel the need to generalize poeple? Why should I not be allowed to cherry-pick what suits me? I adhere to the Golden Rule but I do not follow the Bible's admonishments on diet. Should we be adhering to everything in the Bible? Do you see the absurdity?

reply to post by AugustusMasonicus

Why do you assume my God is the Biblical God?

The word God is from the Bible.

ETA:

If you just came out and told me what God you're referring to, it would've made things easier. If I'm having a discussion with someone my intent is to facilitate information, not to speak in riddles.

Originally posted by Dr Cosma
The word God is from the Bible.

The concept of God predates the Bible and the word 'God' is Germanic in origin.

Now answer my other questions.

Originally posted by Dr Cosma
The word God is from the Bible.

"Hear, O Israel, the Lord thy God is one."
~Torah, 1312 BC

reply to post by AugustusMasonicus

Should we be adhering to everything in the Bible?

Of course not. I think I adhere to hardly anything written on the Bible.
I only adhere to my word.