Why Masons cannot be trusted.

At one point masons are required to swear an oath - not to reveal secrets about masons except in matters of murder and treason.

And later in their degree process that oath is taken a step further ......
A mason swears not to reveal anything including Murder and Treason.

Of course and as usual the masons will go into their big denials and redirections about these oaths....
But I see these as major revelations as to the Subversive nature of freakmasonry.

Answers a lot of questions. Secrecy, Murder, Treason, Freemasonry.

Originally posted by partycrasher
At one point masons are required to swear an oath - not to reveal secrets about masons except in matters of murder and treason.

You're almost there. You forgot to include "and any other offense against the laws of God or man." Covers a whole lot more territory, right down to "don't speed".

Originally posted by partycrasher
And later in their degree process that oath is taken a step further ......
A mason swears not to reveal anything including Murder and Treason.

Degree and Rite please?

Originally posted by partycrasher
Of course and as usual the masons will go into their big denials and redirections about these oaths....
But I see these as major revelations as to the Subversive nature of freakmasonry.

And you'd be as wrong now as you've been wrong previously. Half a truth is not truth; it's the jumping-off point for a lie.

Originally posted by partycrasher
Answers a lot of questions. Secrecy, Murder, Treason, Freemasonry.

Originally posted by partycrasher
At one point masons are required to swear an oath - not to reveal secrets about masons except in matters of murder and treason.

And later in their degree process that oath is taken a step further ......
A mason swears not to reveal anything including Murder and Treason.

From the Entered Apprentice Degree:

In the state you are to be a quite and peaceable citizen, true to you government and just to your country; you are not to countenance disloyalty or rebellion but patiently submit to legal authority, and conform with cheerfulness to the government of the country in which you live. source

This particular book has been available for 70 years. There is no reason that, in your apparently exhaustive Masonic research, you should not have come across this.

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Masons are the people of denying.

They always deny the facts you collect.

But you shouldn't doubt or deny your investigation.

reply to post by hmdphantom


Here's the thing...

The rituals of Freemasonry are freely available on the internet. Anybody can find them easily.
Yet, the OP makes outrageous claims about the ritual without providing a single link to the ritual. Why doesn't the OP link us to the ritual where he saw it?

Just a link - even if it's a fake site that we can debunk - it would at least be something.

Even if it's to show that the OP has done at least done some research...

Even if it's just to prove that the OP is not just simply repeating some hearsay argument that some freak posted on a blog...

Even if it is just to show that the OP has bothered to find and read the ritual, rather than just making something up....

ANYTHING would be ok...

Originally posted by hmdphantom
Masons are the people of denying.

Denying what? The Orginal Poster linked no sources and posted only his opinion. This was countered by sources that have been in the public domain from decades.

I noticed you brought nothing but your opnion as well. Try harder.

*in my Chris Crocker voice*

LEAVVEEE THE MASONNS ALOOOONNNEEEEEE!!!!!

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Every time someone lumps all people into a general statement, you can pretty much assume there is no truth to their statement.

There are always examples of bad people in good organizations.

The stereotyping and separation are more harmful than any good found in your post.

Peace

sounds like masons should start weeding the bad elements out of their org before that little leaven spoils the whole lump then?

Originally posted by partycrasher
sounds like masons should start weeding the bad elements out of their org before that little leaven spoils the whole lump then?

Perhaps the critics of Masonry should take care of the beams in their own eyes before worrying about the specks in the eyes of others.

Originally posted by partycrasher
sounds like masons should start weeding the bad elements out of their org before that little leaven spoils the whole lump then?

Perhaps the critics of Masonry should take care of the beams in their own eyes before worrying about the specks in the eyes of others.

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From the Grand Lodge of Florida Website

Do you believe that a person should strive to be a good citizen and that we have a moral duty to be true to the country in which we live?

Masons believe that a country is strong as long as freedom, equality, and the opportunity for human development is afforded to all. A Mason is true to his government and its ideals. He supports its laws and authority when both are just and equitably applied. We uphold and maintain the principles of good government, and oppose every influence that would divide it in a degrading manner.

Master Mason Quizzes and Exams direct from Grand Lodge

And a.....

Mentor's Manual

Now, you can dig and find all of the silliness that you want to find, and you can use it against us with some actual ammunition and fodder for discussion.

All of this is legitimate, open to the public, and approved by the Grand Lodge for use by the Masons in Florida. Happy Hunting!

Man I don't believe it. This site is crawling with Masons.

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Yep. We're everywhere! All 6 or 7 of us!

And we come armed with those pesky facts, sources, and first-hand accounts that are so annoying to the rumor mongers. I know we can be a nuisance.

Originally posted by getreadyalready
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Yep. We're everywhere! All 6 or 7 of us!

And we come armed with those pesky facts, sources, and first-hand accounts that are so annoying to the rumor mongers. I know we can be a nuisance.

Here is my proof. That Freemasons are the same Zionists.



If not masons , then who are the people digging under Masjid-Al-Aqsa to find Salomon's temple ?



If not masons , then who are the people trying to raise a Red Heifer to sacrifice before the Antichrist as the age of 3 ?

Temple Institute Main article: Temple Institute The Temple Institute, an organization dedicated to preparing the reconstruction of a Third Temple in Jerusalem

How about disinformation :

Christians

Some Christians believe that the Second Coming of Jesus Christ cannot occur until the Third Temple is constructed in Jerusalem, which requires the appearance of a red heifer born in Israel. Clyde Lott, a cattle breeder in O'Neill, Nebraska, United States, is attempting to systematically breed red heifers and export them to Israel to establish a breeding line of red heifers in Israel in the hope that this will bring about the construction of the Third Temple and ultimately the Second Coming of Jesus Christ.[7][8]

Red_heifer

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Denying what?

Denying this :

That Freemasons are the same Zionists.



If not masons , then who are the people digging under Masjid-Al-Aqsa to find Salomon's temple ?



If not masons , then who are the people trying to raise a Red Heifer to sacrifice before the Antichrist as the age of 3 ?

Temple Institute Main article: Temple Institute The Temple Institute, an organization dedicated to preparing the reconstruction of a Third Temple in Jerusalem

How about disinformation :

Christians

Some Christians believe that the Second Coming of Jesus Christ cannot occur until the Third Temple is constructed in Jerusalem, which requires the appearance of a red heifer born in Israel. Clyde Lott, a cattle breeder in O'Neill, Nebraska, United States, is attempting to systematically breed red heifers and export them to Israel to establish a breeding line of red heifers in Israel in the hope that this will bring about the construction of the Third Temple and ultimately the Second Coming of Jesus Christ.[7][8]

Red_heifer

More pictures .

the pictures , Picture can talk themselves :

1st
2nd
3rd and ultimate source

reply to post by hmdphantom


As far as I know it is the Israeli's re-building the Temple and raising the Red Heifer.

Freemasons are also many other things. I am a member of many groups, not just Freemasonry. The picture you posted doesn't mean anything other than those 4 men are involved in that specific activity. As a Freemason, I have been present at Cornerstone layings for many schools and government buildings, but it doesn't mean the government is Masonic. In fact, at this moment in time, there are not any significant Freemasons in government. It is quite a shame really.

ETA:
As for the quote. Christians have been trying to bring about the 1000 year reign since the death of Jesus. Christopher Columbus sailed to the new world not looking for a Western passage, but actually looking to spread the word of Christ and fulfill his destiny of bringing about the 1000 year reign.

It isn't a Masonic notion, in fact, your post contradicts itself. Jews don't believe in a resurrection of Christ do they? And Christians are vying to bring it about, and in your post, you accuse Masons of being both at the same time.

Originally posted by hmdphantom
the pictures , Picture can talk themselves :

Actually, they can't. EVERY photo ever taken has a bias. When photography first started in the 1840s people thought (or assumed) that it was wholly objective, but they were wrong. There are quite literally dozens of factors that could change what a photo "says" or lead someone to interpret the documentation of an event in different ways... from shutter speed, to cropping, camera angle, exposure, etc...

Originally posted by hmdphantom
Man I don't believe it. This site is crawling with Masons.

We are LEGION. Hadn't you figured that out yet?

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don't trust us, assume we are all lying, assume we are trying to take over the world. Assume we already have most of Solomans temple dug up. Assume that we have strategically placed members all over the world in key government positions as to facilitate our plot for world domination that we enacted in the late 1700's but somehow waited until right now to unveil.

What are you going to do about it?

That's what I thought.