Everyone on board yet with It's the Bankers?

Originally posted by Firefly_
This is as much the bankers blame as it is the politicians. The politicians who lied to us to get elected then reneged on every promise they made so they could enact the banksters and corporate wills. After all, we have to pay taxes to them regardless, they can get more by shafting us and taking bungs on the side from the lobbyists. In short, if there was no corruption in government then this mess would not have been allowed to happen in the first place.

So its the banksters fault for doing what they are doing, but also the politicians for betraying us all and allowing them to. This is also why the politicians and governments should be the main focus of the protests around the world, not the financial institutions, because if you deal with the corrupt banks and corporations, the government is still corrupt and the door to dirty dealers is still wide open. But if you deal with the corrupt government, then the banks and corporations will be unable to operate the way they do.

The biggest question of all time: Who is to blame???

This is a big part of the problem, people are asking the WRONG question!

And not only are you asking the wrong question, you come up with the wrong answer, so let me start with the answer to your question.

Who is to blame? YOU are!!!

You support the banks
You support the politicians
You buy all the crap from the big companys
You all work as slaves for money
You gave everything to "them"
But worst of all, you keep giving them everything, while your busy figuring out who to blame.
All you have to do is stop supporting the "bad" guys, and start supporting the things you agree on.

The question you should be asking, is not what we do wrong, but what we do right, and how we can do it better.

Are banks stealing money from you?? Then dont work with them! Leave them alone, and find an alternative!

Are the politicans corrupt?? Then dont vote for them, but take action, and find and alternative.

We all know what is wrong! Lets focus our energi on what is right!

Dont follow the money! Money is worth nothing! Humans are the great resource, and money holds no power over you, unless you allow it control you.
Give the rich all the money in the world, so what, we dont need it. We are the workforce, the rich cant do nothing without your help! Remember that!

This song came to my mind, when reading this thread.

reply to post by Newleague


There are some people, the people who own and run the Big Banks, who are making it this way on purpose. Sad but true. They own the media and the governments and the education, and they WANT it bad. They want it so much worse. We're letting them do it. So I agree with you. We're allowing this unbelievable era of horror. It's disgusting.

Originally posted by thejlxc
reply to post by Newleague

 

There are some people, the people who own and run the Big Banks, who are making it this way on purpose. Sad but true. They own the media and the governments and the education, and they WANT it bad. They want it so much worse. We're letting them do it. So I agree with you. We're allowing this unbelievable era of horror. It's disgusting.

Yes, they own all those things, and as long as we are adicted to those things, they will own us to.

But things arent all bad. We just have to wake up an focus on positive things instead of negative things, and solutions will come to us

We have 3 ways to look at things. Positive, negative and objective.

Everytime you use a positive, you create a positve, and the same thing goes with the negative.
Everytime you use a negative, you create a negative.

We know this is true, and you can test it everywhere.
If you meet a stranger, and you greet him with a positive fx "have a good day sir" he will respond with a positive.
In the same way, if you greet him with a negative, he will respond with a negative.

Offcourse this is only true, if the person is an objective.

But if we put numbers on, this become true again.

Positive +1
Objective 0
Negative -1

The stranger might be a negative -10, and you greeting might only be a positive +1, but if 10 guys acts friendly and nice to him, he will eventually become a positive.

So how can we use this??

If we have an objective fx Unemployments are 15% (just a random number)
We can act negative, and say: This will ruin the countrys economy, and then it most likely will ruin the economy!
But we could also say: Good news, now we can finally get the Teachers, Doctors, Nurses ect ect ect we are needing, and even better, we still have lots of workforce to make sure they can get food/water/shelter and so on. With this workforce, we can now change our country for the better, and then we will change it for the better

So all you have to do, is be positive, and then changes will come, i promise you

reply to post by Newleague


Yeah, so we are all to blame for what the politicians and corporations do behind our backs. They outright lie to us, they deceive us. People dont realise what they are doing until its too late and they have been screwed. They force people into situations where there is no sensible alternative. I understand where you are coming from, but really, what power do we actually have? What can we do when the local store has gone bankrupt and the only alternative left is Tesco or ASDA because it is half the price in a lot of cases than the chain store that replaced the local?

And history has shown it really does not matter who you vote into power. The same crap happens. The system is deliberately rigged to prevent any independents from having any actual voice in parliament too. So yeah lay the blame at people forced into work to survive, because of laws that enable unfair competition and for companies to grow too large and swallow up independents. Lay the blame at people who cant afford to fight a legal battle against the corporate giants. Lay the blame at people who have no alternative but to use a bank because it is impossible to get paid any other way due to the law. WE HAD NO SAY IN ANY OF THESE LAWS.

Originally posted by woodwardjnr
reply to post by Firefly_

 

How would you stop the corruption in Government? How do you stop those with money having an influence on the Government?
If a single nation state decides to get tough on their bankers and corporations those bankers and corporations will take their money elsewhere, where the regulations are not as strict and where they can corrupt the governments. Finance is global and will move to the place it can make most money with the least restrictions.

You have it absolutely backwards, and the bankers know it. And this scam has been going on MUCH longer than most people seem to be able to grasp. The American Civil War was over this same issue, and driven by the banksters. Lincoln had issued Greenbacks, that is, money backed by the govt, not bank issued debt. The banksters immediately saw the threat to themselves.

"If this mischievous financial policy, which has its origin in North America, shall become endurated down to a fixture, then that Government will furnish its own money without cost. It will pay off debts and be without debt. It will have all the money necessary to carry on its commerce. It will become prosperous without precedent in the history of the world. The brains, and wealth of all countries will go to North America. That country must be destroyed or it will destroy every monarchy on the globe." Baron Rothschild, Hazard Circular - London Times 1865

Still none of you see the forest because of all the trees. The Tsar of Russia saw it too:

From this extract its plain to see that it is the advantage provided by the adopting of this policy which poses a threat to those not using it. 1863, nearly there, Lincoln needed just a bit more money to win the war, and seeing him in this vulnerable state, and knowing that the president could not get the congressional authority to issue more greenbacks, the money changers proposed the passing of the National Bank Act. The act went through.

From this point on the entire US money supply would be created out of debt by bankers buying US government bonds and issuing them from reserves for bank notes. The greenbacks continued to be in circulation until 1994, their numbers were not increased but in fact decreased. "In numerous years following the war, the Federal Government ran a heavy surplus. It could not (however) pay off its debt, retire its securities, because to do so meant there would be no bonds to back the national bank notes. To pay off the debt was to destroy the money supply." John Kenneth Galbrath

The American economy has been based on government debt since 1864 and it is locked into this system. Talk of paying off the debt without first reforming the banking system is just talk and a complete impossibility. That same year Lincoln had a pleasant surprise. Turns out the Tsar of Russia, Alexander II, was well aware of the money changers scam. The Tsar was refusing to allow them to set up a central bank in Russia. If Lincoln could limit the power of the money changers and win the war, the bankers would not be able to split America and hand it back to Britain and France as planned. The Tsar knew that this handing back would come at a cost which would eventually need to be paid back by attacking Russia, it being clearly in the money changers sights. The Tsar declared that if France or Britain gave help to the South, Russia would consider this an act of war. Britain and France would instead wait in vain to have the wealth of the colonies returned to them, and while they waited Lincoln won the civil war.

With an election coming up the next year, Lincoln himself would wait for renewed public support before reversing the National Bank Act he had been pressured into approving during the war. Lincoln's opposition to the central banks financial control and a proposed return to the gold standard is well documented. He would certainly have killed off the national banks monopoly had he not been killed himself only 41 days after being re-elected. The money changers were pressing for a gold standard because gold was scarce and easier to have a monopoly over. Much of this was already waiting in their hands and each gold merchant was well aware that what they really had could be easily made to seem like much much more. Silver would only widen the field and lower the share so they pressed for...

The exact same scam has been going on for hundreds of years. It just gets bigger and bigger. The Tsar was repaid by the bankster financed Bolshevik revolution. Now they are just coming more out in the open. What has happened in Greece and Italy should be enraging everyone in the world, starting with the Greeks and Italians. But the sheeple are just rolling over and accepting it.