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Originally posted by Vandettas
The title is misleading.
"Compelling and Convincing Evidence that Life was Created! What Say You"
I don't know how many times someone has to stress this FACT, but this video proves nothing at all.
This is not proof : Everything is so complex that someone must have created it...
Its not even a theory. It can't even be tested. Its an opinion. Its a belief.
The bible has been written by MAN hundreds of times.
People on this planet that have not been living for even 80 years claim they know everything just because they watched a couple youtube videos. Life is complex because in 60 years us humans went from a computer the size of a house, to a microchip smaller than your thumb.
Now multiply that 60 years 20,000 times over again and tell me thats not enough time for something as complex as DNA to form. Oh wait you will...There is no convincing you people.....
Originally posted by edmc^2
for example in the vid - it showed that the information contained in the DNA is a program just like a computer program only much more sophisticated.
Originally posted by Kryties
reply to post by SavedOne
I've never heard a Christian satisfactorily explain the Dinosaurs though. I had one even tell me the Dinos never existed, it's just a figment of our imagination and the skeletons are merely mineral deposits that look startlingly like bones.
I'm sure not all Christians believe this, but yet I've never heard a satisfactory explanation from them either.
Originally posted by Ryanssuperman
improbable
Originally posted by edmc^2
Of course they were created - we have ample evidence of their existence.
Question is why did they all of a sudden selectively disappear from the face of the earth?
Originally posted by CastleMadeOfSand
Originally posted by MrXYZ
Originally posted by CastleMadeOfSand
Here is a simple question:
What percentage of knowledge has science (to date) accumulated to explain all there is to know?
It surely can't be 100%, let alone even 1%. It's more like .000000001%. So how can you vehemently deny claims like the OP's when you don't even know 100%? Let alone 1% of all there is to know?
You can't prove/disprove things which you don't even know about yet.edit on 11/16/2011 by CastleMadeOfSand because: (no reason given)
Well, at least we know how humans evolved (and that the Genesis account is 100% wrong)...but of course science doesn't have all the answers. But at least they're backing up their claims with objective evidence. Religion on the other hand is totally confusing "guessing" with "knowledge" and is often demonstrably wrong.
Well we DON'T know how humans evolved. Where is the missing link? So you DON'T know?
Again, you cannot disprove what you do not know. Who said anything about the scientific method? No doubt science backs up claims with evidence. That's common sense.
Don't lump all Christians into one group. That's like me saying science is no longer valid because 100's of scientists over the years have produced fraudulent results, manufactured evidence or outright hoaxed people, therefore, all science is deemed null and void. Make sense huh?
Originally posted by edmc^2
Originally posted by Vandettas
The title is misleading.
"Compelling and Convincing Evidence that Life was Created! What Say You"
I don't know how many times someone has to stress this FACT, but this video proves nothing at all.
This is not proof : Everything is so complex that someone must have created it...
Its not even a theory. It can't even be tested. Its an opinion. Its a belief.
The bible has been written by MAN hundreds of times.
People on this planet that have not been living for even 80 years claim they know everything just because they watched a couple youtube videos. Life is complex because in 60 years us humans went from a computer the size of a house, to a microchip smaller than your thumb.
Now multiply that 60 years 20,000 times over again and tell me thats not enough time for something as complex as DNA to form. Oh wait you will...There is no convincing you people.....
Everything is so complex that someone must have created it...
So you mean a simple premitive flint rock arrowhead requires a creator but a DNA does not require one?
Can you explain why?
Because, let's say evolution happened.
That means that this universe was always there and always will. Time doesn't really exist or is mostly a loop.
Originally posted by Barcs
Because, let's say evolution happened.
That means that this universe was always there and always will. Time doesn't really exist or is mostly a loop.
Why does evolution indicate this? Evolution has nothing to do with the origin of the universe. Why do people keep saying this? Evolution is about the diversity of life on earth and has absolutely nothing to do with time or when/if the universe began.
Originally posted by Kryties
Originally posted by edmc^2
for example in the vid - it showed that the information contained in the DNA is a program just like a computer program only much more sophisticated.
If science has said it is, then perhaps it is. That doesn't mean that a magical man in the sky programmed it though, it just means life is a lot more complex than we have previously believed and we need to investigate that further.
The very fact we can manipulate that same DNA and mutate, change or clone things tells me the code isn't very complex anyways, certainly nothing I would expect an all-powerful creator to make - why would he make something that humans could figure out how to alter hmm? I thought his creations were supposed to be perfect (which brings up the subject of why is there a heaven and a hell but that's off topic and I won't go there).
Originally posted by Atzil321
I could only manage 8 minutes of the video sorry. All I see is christian fundamentalists trying to use science to confirm their belief that god created the universe ect. The basic argument they use is 'everything is so amazing and complex it has to have been designed by a creator'... Their shameless cherry picking of scientific knowledge to justify their world view falls flat on its face once you realize the core belief of their religion is that the universe itself is only 4000 years old.
Yes everything we observe and have learned about the universe through science is amazing, but scientific method has taught us the universe we observe is at least 14.5 billion years old not 4000 years, thats a hell of a long time for things to evolve into all the wonder we see around us today 'independent of any creator'.
These days you can dress any old argument up to look modern and exciting 'especially if your audience is gullible and poorly educated' thats all I see here.
Originally posted by edmc^2
So if it's a program as science say it is
then how did this program got in there in the first place without this you call "magical man" - the programmer?
As for the DNA code being not "very complex anyways," - bold claim on your part there sir.
May I also suggest to watch the vid and find out yourself how complex the DNA is?
Originally posted by superman2012
Originally posted by Atzil321
I could only manage 8 minutes of the video sorry. All I see is christian fundamentalists trying to use science to confirm their belief that god created the universe ect. The basic argument they use is 'everything is so amazing and complex it has to have been designed by a creator'... Their shameless cherry picking of scientific knowledge to justify their world view falls flat on its face once you realize the core belief of their religion is that the universe itself is only 4000 years old.
Yes everything we observe and have learned about the universe through science is amazing, but scientific method has taught us the universe we observe is at least 14.5 billion years old not 4000 years, thats a hell of a long time for things to evolve into all the wonder we see around us today 'independent of any creator'.
These days you can dress any old argument up to look modern and exciting 'especially if your audience is gullible and poorly educated' thats all I see here.
Agreed! If the universe was only 4000 years old we would have no choice but to believe in creationism...however, it is MUCH MUCH older than that, so evolution is the only thing that makes sense.
Edit: I wonder what would happen if they found out we were "created" by aliens. Would they still hold on to their religion or would the aliens be the "new Gods"? Or would God have created the aliens too?edit on 16-11-2011 by superman2012 because: (no reason given)