Compelling and Convincing Evidence that Life was Created! What Say You?, page 5


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reply posted on 16-11-2011 @ 11:29 AM by edmc^2
Originally posted by Kryties
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post by SavedOne



I've never heard a Christian satisfactorily explain the Dinosaurs though. I had one even tell me the Dinos never existed, it's just a figment of our imagination and the skeletons are merely mineral deposits that look startlingly like bones.

I'm sure not all Christians believe this, but yet I've never heard a satisfactory explanation from them either.


Of course they were created - we have ample evidence of their existence.

Question is why did they all of a sudden selectively disappear from the face of the earth?


reply posted on 16-11-2011 @ 11:36 AM by MrXYZ
Originally posted by CastleMadeOfSand
Originally posted by MrXYZ
Originally posted by CastleMadeOfSand
Here is a simple question:

What percentage of knowledge has science (to date) accumulated to explain all there is to know?

It surely can't be 100%, let alone even 1%. It's more like .000000001%. So how can you vehemently deny claims like the OP's when you don't even know 100%? Let alone 1% of all there is to know?

You can't prove/disprove things which you don't even know about yet.
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Well, at least we know how humans evolved (and that the Genesis account is 100% wrong)...but of course science doesn't have all the answers. But at least they're backing up their claims with objective evidence. Religion on the other hand is totally confusing "guessing" with "knowledge" and is often demonstrably wrong.


Well we DON'T know how humans evolved. Where is the missing link? So you DON'T know?

Again, you cannot disprove what you do not know. Who said anything about the scientific method? No doubt science backs up claims with evidence. That's common sense.

Don't lump all Christians into one group. That's like me saying science is no longer valid because 100's of scientists over the years have produced fraudulent results, manufactured evidence or outright hoaxed people, therefore, all science is deemed null and void. Make sense huh?


There is no such thing as a missing link, especially since DNA 100% confirms we evolved from species that are now extinct. It's not something up for debate unless you live in fairyland

The theory hasn't been debunked in over 150 years, and for crying out loud, we're actively using it in modern medicine to predict FUTURE outcomes accurately...something that also wouldn't be possible if the theory were wrong.

Do yourself a favor and at least read the basic Wiki article about human evolution, because you clearly don't know what you're talking about


reply posted on 16-11-2011 @ 11:57 AM by edmc^2
Originally posted by Kryties
Originally posted by edmc^2


for example in the vid - it showed that the information contained in the DNA is a program just like a computer program only much more sophisticated.


If science has said it is, then perhaps it is. That doesn't mean that a magical man in the sky programmed it though, it just means life is a lot more complex than we have previously believed and we need to investigate that further.

The very fact we can manipulate that same DNA and mutate, change or clone things tells me the code isn't very complex anyways, certainly nothing I would expect an all-powerful creator to make - why would he make something that humans could figure out how to alter hmm? I thought his creations were supposed to be perfect (which brings up the subject of why is there a heaven and a hell but that's off topic and I won't go there).



So if it's a program as science say it is then how did this program got in there in the first place without this you call "magical man" - the programmer?

As for the DNA code being not "very complex anyways," - bold claim on your part there sir.

Unfortunately not according to the brightest scientists who've been working on deciphering it for a long time now.

Perhaps you should explain if its not "very complex anyways" what causes a cell to become an eye, a nose, a hand, etc. What's the secret mechanism on how and why the RNA, DNA, Enzymes worked together in such an organized way that it baffles even the brightest of the brightest!

Please tell me which came first the RNA or the DNA - which one created first?

And exactly how does the body communicate its need to the cell, and how does it trigger part of the DNA molecule to “unzip” at just the right place and later to go back together?

What prevents the rest of the DNA helix from “unzipping”?

Also, how did not only the right chemicals, but also all the right mechanisms, such as the ribosomes, come to be in the cell for the making of a new strand of RNA?

Or how about this: How does the ribosome “read” the RNA and exactly how are just the right chemicals provided at the right places to reproduce the DNA’s pattern and to make the proper protein?

If you don't like that one how about this:

How is the information encoded on DNA transferred to cell enzymes that then control the growth of new cells?

Why even biologist Dr. Howard H. Pattee of Stanford University, is still looking for the answers.

In fact he says that the simple models (such as "Watson and Crick devised") cannot explain the speed and reliability of information transfer. He admitted that a much deeper study of matter at the submolecular level is yet necessary.

And finally, we encounter the biggest question of all:

How did such complex substances, and life itself, get there to begin with? For these questions scientists have no answer, only theories.

But perhaps you've unlock one of the Greatest Mysteries of all!

So by all means please enlighten us with your superior intellect on molecular biology - I'd like to know if it's not "very complex anyways".


May I also suggest to watch the vid and find out yourself how complex the DNA is?

tc


reply posted on 16-11-2011 @ 12:05 PM by MrXYZ
reply to post by edmc^2



And once again you try to answer the questions science can't answer (yet) with "magic" (aka god of the gaps). Even after all those threads where people told you what an argument from ignorance that is.


reply posted on 16-11-2011 @ 12:09 PM by superman2012
Originally posted by Atzil321
I could only manage 8 minutes of the video sorry. All I see is christian fundamentalists trying to use science to confirm their belief that god created the universe ect. The basic argument they use is 'everything is so amazing and complex it has to have been designed by a creator'... Their shameless cherry picking of scientific knowledge to justify their world view falls flat on its face once you realize the core belief of their religion is that the universe itself is only 4000 years old.

Yes everything we observe and have learned about the universe through science is amazing, but scientific method has taught us the universe we observe is at least 14.5 billion years old not 4000 years, thats a hell of a long time for things to evolve into all the wonder we see around us today 'independent of any creator'.

These days you can dress any old argument up to look modern and exciting 'especially if your audience is gullible and poorly educated' thats all I see here.


Agreed! If the universe was only 4000 years old we would have no choice but to believe in creationism...however, it is MUCH MUCH older than that, so evolution is the only thing that makes sense.

Edit: I wonder what would happen if they found out we were "created" by aliens. Would they still hold on to their religion or would the aliens be the "new Gods"? Or would God have created the aliens too?
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reply posted on 16-11-2011 @ 12:14 PM by MrXYZ
Originally posted by superman2012
Originally posted by Atzil321
I could only manage 8 minutes of the video sorry. All I see is christian fundamentalists trying to use science to confirm their belief that god created the universe ect. The basic argument they use is 'everything is so amazing and complex it has to have been designed by a creator'... Their shameless cherry picking of scientific knowledge to justify their world view falls flat on its face once you realize the core belief of their religion is that the universe itself is only 4000 years old.

Yes everything we observe and have learned about the universe through science is amazing, but scientific method has taught us the universe we observe is at least 14.5 billion years old not 4000 years, thats a hell of a long time for things to evolve into all the wonder we see around us today 'independent of any creator'.

These days you can dress any old argument up to look modern and exciting 'especially if your audience is gullible and poorly educated' thats all I see here.


Agreed! If the universe was only 4000 years old we would have no choice but to believe in creationism...however, it is MUCH MUCH older than that, so evolution is the only thing that makes sense.

Edit: I wonder what would happen if they found out we were "created" by aliens. Would they still hold on to their religion or would the aliens be the "new Gods"? Or would God have created the aliens too?
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They'd just move the goal post as always. A few centuries ago they claimed comets are a sign of god, or that god causes plagues...all because they didn't understand the science behind it and filled that gap with magic (god). The "god did it" track record is abysmal
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