15,000 Year Old Rock Art Discovered in Egypt, page 2

Originally posted by Blackmarketeer
reply to post by 2manyquestions

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I think if you look at the rest of the photo set you'll see they are deeply carved into the rock face, and the weathering and patina was considered in dating them.

The depictions are of "wild bovids, Bos primigenius or Aurochs", a species domesticated around 8000 BC and now extinct.

It's actually the same animal species painted by ancient Europeans, circa 17,000 YBP in the cave art at Lascaux. This one is the "Lascaux Bull".

Wikipedia's page on Lascaux has more depictions of Aurochs. So in that sense I wouldn't refer to them as "modern cows" (which are the product of animal husbandry starting in the middle ages and still undertaken today). These rock art depictions in Egypt are clearly not depicting anything modern either but the same species (technically the African sub-species) of those in Lascaux.

They're not extinct anymore and haven't been for years. Scientists were able to breed the wild Aurochs back into existence through selective breeding as all bovines are descendant of these animals. You can see them today in zoos and right there with them is the ancient horse who's also depicted in the gave paintings as they were brought back as well. And they're all in their pre domesticated form.

reply to post by Blackmarketeer

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Hey thanks ,never saw that one before.I was sure different ones had existed,I am familiar with the drawings of "space people"and various other cave drawings but the cattle seems to be the most popular among them.I'm going out on a limb here but will throw it out anyway, is there a possibility that the depictions of cattle had another meaning other than art on the walls?I'm curious to know if there are any theories discussed by experts that this is more than art to look at.

reply to post by Blackmarketeer

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15,000 yrs.....honestly...cmon...hand on heart....honestly!

that bs....what are they dating...the rock or the carvings???

morons

Originally posted by thePharaoh
reply to post by Blackmarketeer

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15,000 yrs.....honestly...cmon...hand on heart....honestly!

that bs....what are they dating...the rock or the carvings???

morons

Look up optically stimulated luminescence and how the process is done. Its too bad Byrd is off working on her Phd, she'san expert on this subject

reply to post by steveknows

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Thanks for the reply, wasn't aware they had bred these. If that's the case, then they never went completely extinct (more like the American buffalo, nearly extinct and vanished from the landscape, but still around).

reply to post by TWILITE22

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...is there a possibility that the depictions of cattle had another meaning other than art on the walls?I'm curious to know if there are any theories discussed by experts that this is more than art to look at.

They were almost certainly more than just 'art on a wall'. There's a number of theories, you'll have to look a little deeper then what the Web may offer. Older ideas ran along the lines of Totemism, but I don't think those hold much water anymore. Shamanic religions are another theory, in fact I believe in some of the caves in France they found bone fragments crammed into cracks in the walls, skeletal remains were found nearby, and some of the painted walls were in truly inaccessible places, which implies the artwork wasn't merely decorations or intended for casual viewing. Even these carvings in Egypt are high up on a bluff, I don't think you would be able to see them from the ground. It took a lot of effort to get up there and make those - definitely not doodles.

Shamanism starts to deal in a complex cosmos, that the cosmos was separated into more than one world, that these worlds interacted with one another. A belief that the dead may have ascended (or descended) to a world of the dead is rooted in Shamanism. This might explain why these artworks are in such inaccessible places, or had skeletal remains or bone fragments associated with them. Is it possible a shamanic belief necessitated that the dead be accompanied by depictions of animals they could rely on for food as they traveled into this other world? That is a theme that runs throughout Egyptian religious practices, when they began burying their dead with vessels filled with food.

Shamanism was also very widespread among hunter-gatherer groups, the cave art in France and the rock art in Egypt were clearly the work of such. I think it would be incredible to learn that these two locations, Lascaux and Qurta, involved a common people or belief system, that migrated between the two. That would be a real stretch however, so don't beat me up for suggesting it. shamanism is found across the globe, it may be something that is just in tune with our psyche.

reply to post by TWILITE22

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the bull, or Taurus, is also an astrological age which lasted from 4,286 - 2,143 bc. So that would also be another reason for a lot of bull symbology/mythology in history. although, like another poster stated, this would be a very important animal that would eventually be domesticated. so theres numerous reasons behind this.

Originally posted by Blackmarketeer
reply to post by steveknows

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Thanks for the reply, wasn't aware they had bred these. If that's the case, then they never went completely extinct (more like the American buffalo, nearly extinct and vanished from the landscape, but still around).

You're right. They were never really extinct.They had just become domesticated and domestication brings with it physical changes. Scientists just looked for particular animals that showed some trait of the originals like a patch of hair colour or a cow with a particularly long set of horns and kept breeding them until the originals were once again walking around.

They could use this process to to breed wolves from dogs( which are domesticated wolves), but they wouldn't get the funding because. A. there's still wolves around. B.science already knows the outcome.

Originally posted by Hanslune

Originally posted by thePharaoh
reply to post by Blackmarketeer

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15,000 yrs.....honestly...cmon...hand on heart....honestly!

that bs....what are they dating...the rock or the carvings???

morons

Look up optically stimulated luminescence and how the process is done. Its too bad Byrd is off working on her Phd, she'san expert on this subject

ok...iv grown to respect byrd over they years

never knew byrd was female....surprising...makes sense though
peace

for the op

i would never say its 15,000 yrs if i was dating it.
i would say:

its at least 3,000 yrs old....and at most 6,000 yrs old....theyre say roughly 23,000 to 11,000 ago
i`ll give a variance of 3000 yrs ...as we just dont know how much weathering the sedimentary rock in that region was subject to.
its not as consistant as they make out...they dont consider certain years to have extreme weathering, and some to have low weathering.....

it could be
peace

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