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An Alternative Mystical View On God

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posted on Sep, 3 2004 @ 01:49 PM
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If The Original Creator were here, there would be absolutely no question and all of us would belong to the One True Religion.

Why?

Because any God Realized being who can manifest BILLIONS OF GALAXIES would also be able to HEAL MILLIONS OF PEOPLE DAILY of terminal affliction.

Compassion Dictates Evolution

Conclusion: The First Coming has yet to occur.

Thesis + Antithesis = Synthesis.

It is interesting to note that most who debate over the God issue either espouse that there is a God (however an underachiever) or that there isn't one. Very few consider the alternate possibility that there WAS one.

I have come to know from my own mystical investigations over many years that after The Original Creator initiated The Big Bang, He totally and irreversibly divided Himself up into basically spiritual entities or 'angels.' This is what "The Fall" symbolizes in the Bible.

Traditional ministers speak of a piece of God or 'god-spark' being within all of us.

Melvin Morse, a pediatrician and well-known author and researcher on the Near Death Experiences of children, once prayed to understand the relationship of souls to God. The answer came back to him in a flash of insight: a "fractal."

A "fractal" is a piece of a greater whole which contains the program or blueprint of that greater whole. Like a hologram, if you break it up into little pieces, it still contains the entire original picture.

Hence, souls are "fractals of light" of The Original Creator.

That is why He isn't around these days in His Ascended state. We are all that is left of Him and the angels in heaven are not spiritually advanced enough to cure the ills of society.

The only way we are going to overcome the many problems of civilization is by evolving into becoming co-Creators ourselves so that when we leave the flesh and Ascend into The Light, we will have the energy required in order to manifest a Utopic society: no poverty, no hunger, no homelessness, no disease.

Conventional solutions have all failed.

Unconventional spiritual solutions, in following His example, have a much higher probability for success.





posted on Sep, 3 2004 @ 03:32 PM
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I just wanted to chime in on how valuable the insights of Paul and the Solists have been in my spiritual development.

While we most assuredly don’t agree on everything, and indeed, I think there are great dangers in placing faith in anyone other than yourself, my own spiritual adventures have confirmed in my mind much of what Paul is talking about.

It is rare that spiritualists will seek to cultivate skepticism and individualism in the minds of those who would listen to them. It is so rare, in fact, that it is that very thing which led me to examine Solist claims.

Let’s face it: honesty is rare among mystics. While I find that I, as a prisoner of illusion, can never be absolutely sure of anything in the end, I am discovering that where I cannot find Absolute Truth, Honesty is a very satisfactory consolation prize.

Are Solist claims true? Ultimately, I do not know. However, I am confident that they are sharing their views of what they believe to be truth as honestly as they can with us. And frankly, my friends, that’s about as good as it gets.

As in my case, I do not doubt that anyone coming “cold” to the Solist website and seeing talk of “Zetans”, “Ascension”, “God-Realized Masters” and creating paradise worlds for colonization will find it all a bit much.

However, I would suggest that just because that all may seem crazy to you does not mean you should dismiss all of it. I would call that “throwing the baby out with the bathwater”. Indeed, I almost did that myself, but curiosity drove me on, for which I am forever grateful.

Rather, I would recommend to those who wish to find out more about themselves to consider the Solist spiritual model as a rough guideline, and look within yourself for the answers you truly seek.

Whatever your opinions may be of the beliefs of others, I can assure you that anyone who tries to convince you that the truth lies outside yourself is seeking to deceive you.

Look within and see the truth of who you are. With the knowledge that brings, the world will look much different to you, and far more beautiful.

Though there are so many things I do not know, I can say this with some confidence: the more you look within yourself and see the truth which resides there, the happier you will be.

May you find fulfillment wherever your path may take you!

Majic



[edit on 9/3/2004 by Majic]



posted on Sep, 3 2004 @ 05:33 PM
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Those of us who reach a certain level of mastery while alive seem to gather ourselves into a group, consciously, or unconsciously.

This indicates that there is some kind of structure for our beings to gather to, or in, depending on what words you want to use to describe it.

Ancient Gnostic teachings indicate there are several heavens, 9 of them in some traditions. Depending on the level of mastery and wisdom you attain, you ascend into the one most similar to you. Truly, I have found this to be so on my own path.

At the higher levels of consciousness, we detach from this world and its chaos more and more, and meld with these higher spheres, passing through them as we progress.

Our true families are there, along with our brothers and sisters. Many of you "Solists" have developed quite well, I sense you in me, and know that we share the same love and intelligence. (I am still new to having friends at this level)

Anyways, you guys are a great bunch and I hope you watch as I finish healing myself of all the crud I got stuck in me.

For those of you seeing me for the first time: My way is a little different than the others. I have discovered the absolute necessity of celebacy, which is rather difficult and uncomfrotable for a man of my age (29), but it has unfolded the way to me.

Perhaps we will commune in the light, as our consciousness develops and matures, and we will share the blessings of our common spiritual endeavors.

Peace be unto you.

Arkaleus



posted on Sep, 3 2004 @ 06:43 PM
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Hi Majic & Arkaleus,

Thank you both for your input and wisdom.

There is a Mormon belief that souls have the individual spiritual potential to eventually be able to create a planet of their own.

Outside of that, I don't think there are any "heavenly spheres" mentioned in any teaching (present day or hundreds of years old) that categorizes a heavenly plane that is quite so high in spiritual vibration.

Unfortunately, all of the traditional paradigms have been constructed by Group Entities who have had their own agendas. This still goes on.

Celibacy is a tough path, especially when one is young. But it is a good way of developing discipline and cultivating spiritual purity.

Ark says...

I am still new to having friends at this level.

So are we.


Those of us who reach a certain level of mastery while alive seem to gather ourselves into a group, consciously, or unconsciously.

This goes along with the idea that as we strive to live by The Golden Rule and use Heart Chakra Radiance on a daily basis, that we become Beacons of Light for the Higher Realms to work through and around, drawing people of like spiritual focus together.

Perhaps we will commune in the light, as our consciousness develops and matures, and we will share the blessings of our common spiritual endeavors.

Beautifully put.

This points to one of the relatively few things which we can actually depend upon:

Spiritual camaraderie.

Blessings of Light,
Avadar




[edit on 3-9-2004 by Paul_Richard]



posted on Sep, 3 2004 @ 06:45 PM
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Great post(s) guys. I like your solutions and your theory leading up to it, alot more practical then most relegions. Im still deceiding on a theory to place my trust in, as im not willing to give it up easily.



posted on Sep, 3 2004 @ 07:09 PM
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Some of this echos something very simple that Robert A. Heinlien once said, although he said it mockingly (incorrectly IMO):

"...and so God divided himself into an infinite number of entities so that he might have friends."

Having long known that the so-called major religions are methods of controlling people rather than bringing anyone closer to God, I am always interested in belief systems that are closer to what I feel in my own being is the true state of things in the Universe.

Paul, I checked out your website and I have to say that the major thing that leads me to believe your sincerity is the fact that no where on it could I find anywhere to purchase anything. It shows me that your motivations are pure, anyway, and that is rare in someone that claims to have a better than normal take on things. 10 respect point for not being a greedy bastard.

Seriously though, some of what you say and what you have written rings true to me. Some things, I'm willing to think more about. I'll be watching and reading.



posted on Sep, 3 2004 @ 07:57 PM
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Here's a new way to think about the universe. That everything is happening all at once, all at the same time, all in the same place, and that we're all connected to that. And if you just understand that simple fact, and you understand that that's a scientific and biological fact, then I think people on their own will fill in the blanks and start to understand, for example, this idea of premonitions.

Melvin Morse in an interview


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posted on Sep, 3 2004 @ 08:17 PM
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As the pyschology of the human forum evolves, so does the methodology to explain the duality between self and God. God, by personal summination, is Pyscophysical Dualism inherent in all of us. My definition tends to repine objective discourse, as it seems more complicated to commute.

God is I, I is found in the inner most reaches of our consciousness, in the realm of pure thought, a realm devoid of all content but itself.




Traditional ministers speak of a piece of God or 'god-spark' being within all of us.


The first Sikh Guru, Guru Nanak Dev Ji, had once put it, Ever-Existent, He is Naam (Conscious Spirit), when speaking of God. A spirit unmanifested, but manifest everywhere and in everything, a spirit to be found only through the deepest states meditation whilst penetrating the deepest roots of our mind.

Conventional religion devides us not from only eachother, but from the true God essence, which is found not objectively, but within ourselves.

“Sages since time immemorial have only explained the problems of pollution. If one does not have all that false consciousness, emotional and intellectual opinionatedness, and conceptual habituation, one is clear as autumn water, pure and uncontrived, placid and uninhibited. Such people are called Wayfarers, or free people.”

- Kuei-Shan (771-854)


Deep



posted on Sep, 3 2004 @ 08:21 PM
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Hi Linux and Ambient Sound,

Robert Heinlein apparently had some insight. His classic work of fiction, Stranger In A Strange Land, should be required reading in school. It's wonderful!

10 respect point for not being a greedy bastard.

Thanks A-S. I may be poor but I am certainly sincere.

Our approach boils down to the following...

Strive to live by The Golden Rule.

Use the innovative approach of Heart Chakra Radiance for ten to fifteen minutes a day (to start with, then slowly increase the duration), with an emphasis on the cultivation of Purity, Humility and Compassion.

Radiate a prayer for Guidance/Accuracy, Healing and Protection daily.

Allot time each day for meditation in order to receive Guidance from Spirit.

Feel free to ask me questions as they arise.

Hi Raphael,

Thank you so much for giving us a link to the Melvin Morse interview which goes into detail about his revelation about souls to God and fractals! I knew of his experience from a documentary and didn't have a link for that.




posted on Sep, 3 2004 @ 08:27 PM
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Originally posted by ZeroDeep

The first Sikh Guru, Guru Nanak Dev Ji, had once put it, Ever-Existent, He is Naam (Conscious Spirit), when speaking of God. A spirit unmanifested, but manifest everywhere and in everything, a spirit to be found only through the deepest states meditation whilst penetrating the deepest roots of our mind.

Conventional religion divides us not from only eachother, but from the true God essence, which is found not objectively, but within ourselves.
Deep


ZeroDeep,

Sounds like you are a deep meditator and that you derive great satisfaction from what you feel when "down."

If the essence of Spirit and God is Love, is it not wise then to cultivate the Radiance of Love in order to improve upon one's divine connection?

We think so.




posted on Sep, 3 2004 @ 08:39 PM
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Sounds like you are a deep meditator and that you derive great satisfaction from what you feel when "down."

If the essence of Spirit and God is Love, is it not wise then to cultivate the Radiance of Love in order to improve upon one's divine connection?


In a sense, yes, meditation through my own means, but not becuase i am down, only becuase i seek answers.

If the essence of Spirit and God is Love, and Love can only be transmitted and felt through ones own mind through a myriad of nuero-chemical reactions, then I am heading in the right direction, towards that love that is found only within myself.

Deep



posted on Sep, 3 2004 @ 09:08 PM
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Originally posted by Paul_Richard
Hi Raphael,

Thank you so much for giving us a link to the Melvin Morse interview which goes into detail about his revelation about souls to God and fractals! I knew of his experience from a documentary and didn't have a link for that.


No problem. I don't disagree with the fractal nature of the soul/spirit. I do disagree with some of the other things you teach concerning the nature of God. I also believe some of your methods can be dangerous and can limit spiritual growth.



posted on Sep, 3 2004 @ 09:20 PM
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I do disagree with some of the other things you teach concerning the nature of God. I also believe some of your methods can be dangerous and can limit spiritual growth.


There are always a number of ways to reach a goal, and if that goal be God, then the paths are infinite. I'am not familiar with our freinds methodology and philosophy, so I can't judge, but it seems that he is quite content with the love he has found, may it be within himself, or an objective divinity.

We each seem to have a difference bias, bias which we should share and learn from, some paths do cross....



Deep

[edit on 3-9-2004 by ZeroDeep]



posted on Sep, 3 2004 @ 09:44 PM
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Originally posted by ZeroDeep



I do disagree with some of the other things you teach concerning the nature of God. I also believe some of your methods can be dangerous and can limit spiritual growth.


There are always a number of ways to reach a goal, and if that goal be God, then the paths are infinite. I'am not familiar with our freinds methodology and philosophy, so I can't judge, but it seems that he is quite content with the love he has found, may it be within himself, or an objective divinity.

We each seem to have a difference bias, bias which would should share and learn from, some paths do cross....



Deep


Different paths, same path is a matter of perspective. Right path, wrong path as well. Those paths which encourage duality create boxes within boxes or fields within fields. This can limit one's search for understanding.

The danger of which I speak, is that of the Chakras. Or more precisely, the weaknesses created by too much energy in a particular Chakra.



posted on Sep, 3 2004 @ 10:02 PM
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Different paths, same path is a matter of perspective. Right path, wrong path as well. Those paths which encourage duality create boxes within boxes or fields within fields. This can limit one's search for understanding.


Understandable. I should have put more thought into my statment. Even if it is a matter of perspective, the Goal is still the same, assuming it's God, unless if ones path causes a negatory impediment on anothers progress.




The danger of which I speak, is that of the Chakras. Or more precisely, the weaknesses created by too much energy in a particular Chakra.


My knowledge of Chakras is quite superficial. Are you implying that to much emphasis on one particular school of thought can be bad for ones spiritual progress ? If not, could you elaborate a bit further please.



Deep



posted on Sep, 3 2004 @ 10:12 PM
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Originally posted by ZeroDeep
My knowledge of Chakras is quite superficial. Are you implying that to much emphasis on one particular school of thought can be bad for ones spiritual progress ? If not, could you elaborate a bit further please.


I do not teach Chakras so my knowledge of the words used is incomplete.
Chakras are about "just enough" energy. Too little energy can create weakness as can too much energy. A web search will lead to a better understanding than I can provide.



posted on Sep, 3 2004 @ 10:50 PM
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The Chakra System corresponds to the Endocrine System in the human body. There are seven major chakras and various minor ones (like in the hands).

We teach to simply Radiate Love from the Heart Chakra. This is not dangerous but beneficial. In all my years of teaching Chakra Radiance (since the 1980s), not once have I ever come across anyone who stated that performing it is physically and/or spiritually damaging. The feedback that I usually get is that it makes people feel serene, relaxed and centered.

The reason why we emphasize the Fourth or Heart Chakra over the others is because when one feels Love and Compassion for another, it is in the Heart. This is in contrast to other metaphysical schools of thought that espouse that the Fifth, Sixth and Seventh Chakras are more important for spiritual development.

The Fifth or Throat Chakra is what one uses for Clairaudient ability, i.e., the ability to hear telepathic messages from Spirit.

The Sixth Chakra, AKA The Third Eye, is what one uses for Clairvoyant ability, i.e., the ability to see and/or sense visions, auras, etc.

We have found experientially that one's ability to love genuinely and deeply, and one's corresponding compassion, is centered on the Heart Chakra, which is the seat of the soul.

But there is another reason for our emphasis on this spiritual energy center.

The Society Of Light says that when they wish to discern the growth of someone in the flesh, they slightly amplify his or her Heart Chakra energies. By analyzing those energies they can determine his or her Dominant Aura Color, as well as other spiritual attributes like degree of Humility, degree of Purity, overall Stability, Frequency Quotient, Unity Quotient, etc.




posted on Sep, 4 2004 @ 12:58 AM
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very beautifully put Paul....way above points from me for this thread.
I shall keep an eye out for your posts......



posted on Sep, 4 2004 @ 07:05 AM
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Thanks River Goddess for the positive feedback!

Namasté



Odd

posted on Sep, 4 2004 @ 09:58 AM
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Fascinating idea, Paul, and well said.

Do you believe that the God Divided will, or might, one day be reunited? This sounds like a possible fulfillment of the destiny of Mankind as I understand it, or perhaps simply the logical conclusion of the Fall and the Division.



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