Are microscopic black holes buzzing inside the Sun?The reason of increasing activity!, page 1
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Topic started on 15-11-2011 @ 09:05 AM by diamondsmith
I've seen some articles even here on ATS on this subject but most of all in media and my question is if the real energy that power our Sun it's from an active black hole inside or thousands microscopic that cannot collapse due to their size!
TextJust science fiction? Maybe not. According to B.E. Zhilyaev, a researcher at the Main Astronomical Observatory in Ukraine, in the research paper Singular Sources of Energy in Stars and Planets, the Universe could be buzzing with these microscopic blackholes. They might even be inside stars and planets. This isn’t a new concept. Physicists have been theorizing about the possibility of microscopic, primordial black holes for years, and used them to explain everything from dark matter to gamma ray bursts. It takes a star several times the mass of our Sun to form a black hole naturally when it dies, so there probably isn’t a process that can make them any more. But during the first few moments after the Big Bang, the entire Universe was compressed into a microscopic singularity. These primordial black holes could have been generated right at the beginning, and have been with us ever since. It’s also theorized that the new Large Hadron Collider might be capable of creating microscopic black holes through the collision of particles at relativistic velocities.
source(www.universetoday.com...



If it is so then all the scientific theories about our sun are gone.
I wonder if the recent antimatter cloud around the earth could be a result of the sun activity!

TextEven though a microscopic black hole might contain the mass of a mountain, it would experience almost no friction as it passed through regular matter. It would fall through regular material as if it wasn’t there.


TextSo how do you know if you’ve got a black hole in your star? As the black hole grows over time, it starts to change the amount of heat generated by the star. A large enough black hole could cause the star to expand in size, and even undergo a supernova prematurely. According to Zhilyaev the interactions between stars and microscopic black holes could be detectable through bursts of gamma rays. And if a black hole gets inside your planet? You get additional heat. This might account for unusual temperatures seen on Saturn and Jupiter, which are hotter than they should be from solar heating alone. A black hole inside the Earth might actually raise temperatures on the surface enough to sustain animal life long after the Sun dies out.
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reply posted on 15-11-2011 @ 09:11 AM by phishyblankwaters
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A black hole inside the Earth might actually raise temperatures on the surface enough to sustain animal life long after the Sun dies out.


Life requires more than heat. Animals need a food source, and mostly that's plants and plants require photosynthesis

Photosynthesis (English pronunciation: /foʊtoʊˈsɪnθəsɪs/; from the Greek φώτο- [photo-], "light," and σύνθεσις [synthesis], "putting together", "composition") is a chemical process that converts carbon dioxide into organic compounds, especially sugars, using the energy from sunlight

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So potentially a black hole inside the earth could keep it warm. But all life would still die off as the entire ecosystem that supports it would wither and die without sunlight.

I wonder how long we could last under those conditions? Once the sun is "gone" the next harvest, the next season, would never come, so a matter of months?

And that is ignoring the fact that when our sun "dies out" it's going to grow in size and envelope the inner planets.

ETA: I'm well aware that some basic forms of life exist without sunlight, but I'm talking in general terms, I don't consider amoeba surviving as a "win"
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reply posted on 15-11-2011 @ 09:37 AM by diamondsmith
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Thank you but what do you think about the sun is powered by fusion, with four protons fusing together to form a helium nucleus (two of the protons turn into neutrons) and, in the process, releasing a large amount of thermal energy. The process happens in several steps, not all at once. In one step, two protons fuse together, with one proton then becoming a neutron, to form the "heavy hydrogen" isotope deuterium. A proton is essentially a 2.4-fm-diameter sphere of charge, and fusion occurs only if two protons come into contact with each other. This requires extraordinarily high temperatures due to the strong repulsion between the protons. Recall that the average kinetic energy of a gas particle is (3/2)kbT!!


reply posted on 15-11-2011 @ 10:16 AM by diamondsmith
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TextThe cell's organelles and cytoplasm are enclosed by a cell membrane; it obtains its food through phagocytosis. This makes amoebae heterotrophs. Amoebae have a single large tubular pseudopod at the anterior end, and several secondary ones branching to the sides. The most famous species, Amoeba proteus, averages about 220-740 μm in length while moving,[6] making it a giant among amoeboids.[7] A few amoeboids belonging to different genera can grow larger, however, such as Gromia, Pelomyxa, and Chaos.


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Maybe amoeba are more intelligent then us!!


reply posted on 15-11-2011 @ 10:24 AM by diamondsmith
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TextMIT's Technology Review reports that "It's been 10 years now since physicists first raised the possibility that particle accelerators on Earth could produce microscopic black holes. This phenomenon initially seemed hugely exciting since it hinted at a way scientists could test their ideas about quantum gravity, the theory that reconciles quantum mechanics with general relativity."
source(www.dailygalaxy.com...

I don't think so!!


reply posted on 15-11-2011 @ 10:39 AM by Illustronic
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Can amoebae paint my house? If you answered no then it's not a win. I believe most all ocean life depends on the survival of plankton, and plankton needs sunlight. Without plankton and plant life all surviving life would never evolve into any higher life form.

I believe particle colliders have been creating micro black holes for years, they usually last nanoseconds.

If as quoted microscopic black holes, or primordial black holes existed since the Big Bang and can pass through ordinary matter without any effects then what is the problem? Still chugging along after 13.7 billion years...give or take .2 billion.


reply posted on 15-11-2011 @ 10:57 AM by Aletheia007
Originally posted by diamondsmith
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TextMIT's Technology Review reports that "It's been 10 years now since physicists first raised the possibility that particle accelerators on Earth could produce microscopic black holes. This phenomenon initially seemed hugely exciting since it hinted at a way scientists could test their ideas about quantum gravity, the theory that reconciles quantum mechanics with general relativity."
source(www.dailygalaxy.com...

I don't think so!!


What? your same link also says this

hat the LHC scientists discovered, howver, is that the energy required to create the nano black holes vastly exceeds what is possible even in the world's most powerful accelerators and even exceeds that found in the most powerful cosmic ray ever recorded.

But it appears that there various loopholes that will allow micro-black holes to form at lower energies, the most popular among the scientific community is the possibility that the universe has extra dimensions on microscopic scales that significantly weaken gravity at this level allowing microscopic black holes to form more easily.

Yet even the planet's most powerful accelerator, CERN's Large Hadron Collider, has so far failed to produce black holes with masses up to 4.5 TeV. That means any extra dimensions must be smaller than 10^-12 metres in size.


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