Proof OWS is NOT LEFT WING. Time for revolution.... NOW

reply to post by CREAM



Chris Hedges has stated that there is a definite CO-Opting of OWS and that Moveon.org and George Soros are "vile".

Yes, Chris hedges has stated publicly that George Soros is VILE.

On the other hand, Cornell West, a known proponent of Socialism, is sitting right next to him.

Strange times we live in.

ETA: Just watched the more of the video and heard a speaker for "Public housing" and "Public schooling"...then Cornell went on a rant about "White Supremecy" and race.

I TUNED OUT. This is WHY OWS will not attract more rational thinkers and will most likely be a fringe movement.

CO-OPT CO-OPT CO-OPT fooled again.

Still on subject here so dont remove my post Mods.

I find it laughable that you claim to be the 99% yet in London you can only attract 300 hippies who sit around with a communist flag waving around behind them.

Then also if you do a simple google search of 'Occupy London' Nearly every link is associated with Left wing sources and Socialism. That is why nobody bothers to go near Occupy London because the majority of people despise these people.

If this wasnt true then somebody explain why you have epically failed in London...

Anyone who casually discounts the OWS movement is seriously out of touch. Revolutions don't happen overnight. The actions of a tyrannical government actually plant the seeds of revolution. The more tyrannical, the more seeds are planted.
It takes time for these seeds to germinate. History teaches us that, if we study history.
Americans are not exempt from violence in the streets. It was protest that got us out of Vietnam. The difference today, is we have NO media other than the internet on our side. And isn't it funny that cynical internet "warriors" will discount REAL action, and remain on the sidelines unimpressed.
There will be setbacks, propaganda, and more criminal behavior by our government. Your choice is to fight for what is right, or continue to stay on the sidelines and let others fight your battles. It is far easier I suppose to say it is not YOUR battle. That is your ticket to economic slavery you are cashing in.

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*shakes head*

This again. Huh. Amazing.

Let me first point out my thread, This is NOT the Revolution.

Secondly allow me to clarify what so many people are too delusional to understand.

Sure, you can go to these OWS protests and find a plethora of people. Constitutionalists, Socialists, straight up Communists, Obama supporters, Ron Paul supporters, pro government activists, anarchists, ect ect ect.

But all of that doesn't matter. What matters is the so called "lack" of leadership that the movement has and the direction that this "lack" of leadership is leading them. The ones in charge, in the end, call the shots. The people that are their either agree to them or go home. The people in charge are the left, the far left.

How do I know this? This is simple. Most of these Occupy events have speakers and educational "seminars" for the people involved. Nearly all of the speakers at these events, with exception to the celebrities that have showed up (some part of the 1% mind you), are all known and avid socialists figures. When it comes to the "educational" events - education on the Constitution, benefits of Capitalism, the Founding Fathers, or anything highlighting the problems with socialism, are available. Do not deny this without proof. I have seen the event schedules, I have done the research. This is simple fact.

So sure, all of the people involved in OWS are not the left wing... but the ones directing traffic are. Sadly, all of the people are following suit and not questioning it.

I said it before and I will say it again. This is not the Revolution. Not only are these people not willing to die for what they believe in, but they are unwilling to act out to obtain it. That is fear. That is complacency.

You will know the revolution when it comes, because there will be no question about it.

PEACE!

Or not...

Originally posted by gwydionblack
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*shakes head*

This again. Huh. Amazing.

Let me first point out my thread, This is NOT the Revolution.

Secondly allow me to clarify what so many people are too delusional to understand.

Sure, you can go to these OWS protests and find a plethora of people. Constitutionalists, Socialists, straight up Communists, Obama supporters, Ron Paul supporters, pro government activists, anarchists, ect ect ect.

But all of that doesn't matter. What matters is the so called "lack" of leadership that the movement has and the direction that this "lack" of leadership is leading them. The ones in charge, in the end, call the shots. The people that are their either agree to them or go home. The people in charge are the left, the far left.

How do I know this? This is simple. Most of these Occupy events have speakers and educational "seminars" for the people involved. Nearly all of the speakers at these events, with exception to the celebrities that have showed up (some part of the 1% mind you), are all known and avid socialists figures. When it comes to the "educational" events - education on the Constitution, benefits of Capitalism, the Founding Fathers, or anything highlighting the problems with socialism, are available. Do not deny this without proof. I have seen the event schedules, I have done the research. This is simple fact.

So sure, all of the people involved in OWS are not the left wing... but the ones directing traffic are. Sadly, all of the people are following suit and not questioning it.

I said it before and I will say it again. This is not the Revolution. Not only are these people not willing to die for what they believe in, but they are unwilling to act out to obtain it. That is fear. That is complacency.

You will know the revolution when it comes, because there will be no question about it.

Lies lies lies... WHY DO THEY TRASH OBAMA IN ONE OF THEIR MAIN PRESS RELEASES IF THEY ARE NOT LEFT WING?



I was watching the Oakland feed when there was the stand off with the police, and all I could here the people pretesting were two things - bail outs, and the police state.

Left, right, republicans, democrats, socialists, communists, whatever and whatever.. etc

OWS, or Tea Party?

Too bad that we all simply can't be just PEOPLE, human beings, and find common ground to stand together on.

If we could ALL stand together, we would ALL win.

Forgot to mention.

Chris Hedges is a self labelled Socialist.

Cornell West is a self labelled Socialist.

Now Chris Hedges is right about Goldman Sachs, and he's right on many topics. But if you look at who leads the OWS by large, it's LEFT leaning and SOCIALIST.

So the video proves that even more by the content and the "stars of the show".

I've never seen this video, and it's proven to me even more that OWS is a LEFT founded and Socialist leaning movement at it's "leadership".

reply to post by CREAM


We don't need a 3rd political party. What good will that do?. If its a revolution then be a revolution not an election. We have the candidate already in place and with support for an election. The same candidate who has been espousing these views and concerns for decades. Politically support him. We already know the powers and MSM will block any political elections.

While I did view the video as it is presented, there are a few things that can be stated:

While the complaints may be valid in some cases, part of what they charged Goldman-Sacks, is not fair or should be used against any one. The point that we should pay attention to, is the campaign contributions by the employees. Are we now to be held accountable for who we choose to donate money to?

While food prices soared upward, the question should also be asked, is was there any thing beyond human control that would also contribute to the raise in the price of food?

Prices for Rice, wheat and corn increased yes, but there are other circumstances that should be looked at, such as the price of corn. The question that many people should ask themselves, if a farmer can make more money by producing corn for energy use, would that not cause a drop in the supply of corn that would be used for consumption and thus by the laws of supply and demand, cause the price to go up, as there would be less supply of such?

They make notice of a report presented to the Congress, yet give no title of said report. How do we know if it exists? In any court of law, concrete proof would be required for such.

Is not a judicial deal, that we all may enjoy by the prosecution, not entitled to everyone?

Dr. Cornel West, is not someone to be trusted. While he is well educated, of that there can be no doubt, his views are suspect, especially as he fails to encourage those who he sees as being still second class citizens, to achieve and break out of the roles that they put themselves into, and to take every opportunity that can be afforded to them. Some of the sources to which he draws his personal philosophy we have heard from before, namely that of certain famous religious persons that came into the public eye in 2008. His statements are very suspect as being racist in his own views, biasing against what may be successful, all due to skin color.

Unions? Well now that adds a new dimension to this movement. The fact that the Unions are involved makes it highly suspect. If this was not about unions, or the layoffs, as the 4th speaker put forth, then why bring it up as point? The focus should be on the children and their education, not about the jobs of people who were lost, who also happen to be Union members. And of course, racism is brought up. It is not the teachers fault, or the schools or the faculty, but that it is the schools that have a large minority population that is being attacked? And doing poor? Yet the question remains to teach a child what all is required? Last time any one checked: A teacher, books, desks, students, and school supplies.

reply to post by Fractured.Facade

Too bad that we all simply can't be just PEOPLE, human beings, and find common ground to stand together on.

It's too hard to belittle and generalize all these people if you think of them as PEOPLE. No, the name of the game is stereotypes. And yes, this is happening on BOTH sides of this.

Anti-ows people seem to be lacking plenty of facts, and also seem to have some facts the pro-ows crowd want to ignore.

Anti-ows are demonizing everyone based on a few individuals and bad elements (while demanding personal responsibility, it's insanity)

Pro-Ows are gold plating these people and using the few well meaning, intelligent, people as a generalization of the entire crowd, which it is not.

You can say it, you can type it, you can beg them to read. They will not. they refuse to acknowledge what these people are protesting about. the refused to acknowledge people were even protesting! They refuse to acknowledge that some elements are attempting to co-opt the movement while many elements are trying to do GOOD.

The anti-ows scream and cry about socialism, yet, these pro-ows crowds are fighting AGAINST a SOCIALIST bailout to the banks.

Pure insanity.

And that's why you are all wasting your time. Don't support ows? Great, form a counter protest and DO something about it. Pro-ows? Save your breath, these people aren't here to listen or be objective, they have an agenda and will not deviate from it. Your time would be better spent actually SUPPORTING ows directly.

It's a funny situation.

They can't be taken seriously because they have no "leader"
any person that might be that voice is "evil" and "socialist" and it's their "agenda".

Find me 1 single ows protester PAID to protest by Soros. find me 1.

Pro-ows, anti-ows, propaganda works both ways and EVERYONE is falling for it.

Even me.

This is not a revolution. This is the birth of a movement that will end in revolution, be it a restructuring of the government and financial industry, or a out right civil war.

By allowing the government to ignore the will of the people, by allowing the government to collude with corporations, you are allowing your country to slip into Fascism. It's happening all around you.

And people here, who in threadA, rally against the "big gub'ment" and "socialism" clap, cheer, and applaud the government as it grows bigger, takes more control, and hands out your hard earned dollors in SOCIALIST BAILOUTS.

and you've got actual americans cheering the fact that the police were illegally, and unconstitutionally, removing protesters. you've got actual Americans, some of whom claim to be in, or where in, the armed forces, cheering as some other americans free speech right is removed.

you've got people actually saying these people should be shot.

It's supposed to be a democracy or a constitutional republic for you purists. The government isn't working for the people, by the people, and of the people. It's working for private industry for profit at your expense.

Personally, I'd rather see MY tax dollars spent on education, infrastructure, or even health care for those who can't afford it, rather than end up in the pockets of a CEO who helped collapsed the entire financial industry.

You've got scores of people from all walks of life in many countries who are fed up, feel disenfranchised, and want the change Obama got elected promising. They are fed up, and can't afford lobbyists, so protests are their only option.

But we are supposed to ignore that and only concentrate on the few idiots with an obvious agenda?

I'll play that game for a second then.

Pro-smoker / Anti-smoker. Which are you? Are you a non smoker who prefers that smokers not smoke inside the work place and public areas? Are you the type of person who supports the government in their aims to educate people about the dangers of tobacco and cancer and the link between the two?

Well guess what, you are a NAZI.

That's right, NAZI GERMANY, under Hitler, was the FIRST government to start a war on smoking. They did studies, they made rules, and they attempted to stop people from becoming addicted in the first place.

THAT is the game you guys are trying to play with OWS. Doesn't feel as cozy when you are the one being generalized does it?

Everybody who doesn't agree with OWS is playing into the smear machine or are morally corrupted, let me prove that...

We are all in this together.
The morally corrupt should be dead, or forcibly stopped from what they are doing as it is killing THOUSANDS of people overseas all the time. You either agree, or disagree.

The people at OWS right now don't really represent the movement because most supporters are working, or are in school. Homeless people and criminals flock there because of the free food. Thats cool with me because they too are part of the 99%

That does not mean the revolution won't succeed, because it will. It just means something has to give before the flood gates break.

If anyone here has read the the OWS website, Occupy is just a means of resistance as is Anon a means of speaking. occupywallst.org...

Either you support the resistance or you don't, but we have to face the fact either occupying or violent revolution is necessary.

This means of resistance is perfect... And eventually it will succeed, the left/right paradigm is falling apart...

reply to post by phishyblankwaters


i applaud you. that was eloquently stated. it's true. this is a people's movement. i definitely don't label myself. Labels only put people into blind groups and is the cause of the great human disconnect of our age. i am open minded and i am me. other than that i am nothing. i am right sometimes and i am wrong sometimes, but i'm willing to acknowledge when i am wrong.

this movement has no ideology. you can see it in the differences of all the different occupy movements. every single one seems to taking different paths. portland wants to go to war. oakland is on fire and will definitely last a long time. Wall street is the guide-stone of a peaceful movement. dallas is taking the legislative course. they are all different just as different as you and i. it is a beautiful thing unfolding, and this is in fact the beginning. the VERY beginning. it's not going away for a long long long long time. it took 17 years for MLK to make REAL change.

buckle your seat belts and get some popcorn. you're in for a ride of your life.

the one thing i do know is no one has the right to complain about/for this movement, because you can go down to OWS or any other #occupy movement and voice your opinion. so either do something or STFU. your words are meaningless if you yourself aren't willing to act on them.

reply to post by stuncrazy

the one thing i do know is no one has the right to complain about/for this movement, because you can go down to OWS or any other #occupy movement and voice your opinion. so either do something or STFU. your words are meaningless if you yourself aren't willing to act on them.

Well said. I think, no, i hope, that all of this will help urge the countless thousands of people who feel the same way, but aren't out there standing with them. People don't want to be in a minority. People can ignore problems while everyone else is too, but as more people become aware of what has actually taken place, and they see more and more people actually putting their feet on the ground and trying something, it will only add to the movement.

The only thing I know for sure is whatever this evolves into, and however long it takes, it will fail to resemble what we are seeing now.

reply to post by CREAM

When you get down to one, and afer spending a few days AND nights inside the camp, be sure to tell us what you think. More importantly, by my thinking, which one are you telling us about? I'll be the first to say the difference between one city to another can be so staggering, it might as well be entirely different protests and movements. If you're serious about standing in the protest and doing your time in a camp, I respect that and appreciate the fact you're willing to put yourself out for your convictions.

We still may disagree when you get back or transition to camp life if you decide to remain on-site, but I'll certainly have a new respect. I do for everyone who have gone and spent time instead of just watching videos and feeds to think it gives them the real picture of what is happening out there. The feeds are priceless.....but also worthless without real world context. Good luck and I hope you find what you're expecting, whatever that may be in your thinking.

reply to post by Snoopy1978

How many nights did you live on-site and which camp? I'm purely curious as a former 24/7 resident myself... We are different in the impressions of OWS in general, which makes me even more curious on those first two questions. Thanks

reply to post by CREAM

They also indite Obama for receiving $1,000,000 in campaign contributions from him.

By "him" do you mean Goldman Sachs? Named after Marcus Goldman and Samuel Sachs. They have been dead for quite sometime.

Yes, OWS hails from the left side of the universe. One need only to examine the official backers/sponsors of the campers to realize that.

-sigh-
More of the "if you're not with us, you're against us" tripe.
The peoples occupation for the good of the people ain't gonna fly in America. It just isn't going to happen. It is too ingrained in us to become a collective, a hive.

Epic epic epic fail.