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posted on Nov, 15 2011 @ 01:25 AM
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Overall, one must remember that Zuccotti Park is a privately-owned public space. If the developer wishes to "evict" the people within it is their right to do so to protect their investment. But be damned private property rights right?!

Post Script: This shouldn't be construed to be an endorsement of questionable police tactics; but if the developer wants to press charges on all the protesters that choose to stay within the park; I am for that.
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posted on Nov, 15 2011 @ 01:25 AM
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I have really mixed feelings about the occupy protests. On the one hand you have the "yeah the revolution is finally here and people are taking to the streets! Fight the power!" Which is what we all have been waiting for, right?

But on the other hand these protests are for the most part, not completely, but for the most part just a bunch of hipsters thinking that by just sitting around dick in hand in their tent cities is going to accomplish anything. There are no set of demands, no top down organization (which i both hate and kinda like; like i said, really torn on these people) and nothing to really say besides "99%!"

REALLY, the sad part is that there are a good amount of people that actually know what needs to be done and how to really accomplish change, but are vastly outnumbered by clueless displaced anger.

In the end, some action is better than no action, and ultimately this should be for the greater good, even if this is only a precursor to a true revolution.




posted on Nov, 15 2011 @ 01:26 AM
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These OWS people have no respect for anyone. Do they even realize the trauma the people of that part of NYC went through on 9/11? Spoiled brat assholes. The same police who were heroes that day are now villains - because none of them were there or lost loved ones. I lost a loved one that day ----- and I can't stand this!!!!!!! OWS are NOT heroes. THEY did not rush in to save anyone from dying and they never will - whining, not helping, is their forte.

Whine away - you're either part of the problem or part of the solution. Please clue me in on your solution because I'm not getting how banging on drums all day in a private park, and disturbing the lives of the 99% makes any sense.

I believe change is beyond necessary, but you're messing up your message big time.

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posted on Nov, 15 2011 @ 01:29 AM
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When thirdeye has something to say that's not anti-Occupy, you know the stuff's getting bad. I don't like it either. It seems like the things this country was founded on are being moved aside in the interest of convenience for the good little sheeple.



posted on Nov, 15 2011 @ 01:31 AM
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Dear OWS,
Compliance with the laws is manditory. What are the number of laws in the USA, specifically? I'll go try to google that number...



posted on Nov, 15 2011 @ 01:31 AM
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Originally posted by Maluhia
These OWS people have no respect for anyone. Do they even realize the trauma the people of that part of NYC went through on 9/11? Spoiled brat assholes. The same police who were heroes that day are now villains - because none of them were there or lost loved ones. I lost a love one that day ----- and I can't stand this!!!!!!! OWS are NOT heroes. THEY did not rush in to save anyone from dying and they never will - whining, not helping, is their forte.

Whine away - you're either part of the problem or part of the solution. Please clue me in on your solution because I'm not getting how banging on drums all day in a private park, and disturbing the lives of the 99% makes any sense.

I believe change is beyond necessary, but you're messing up your message big time.



These same cops can choose to ignore the constitution, or abide by it...

If you believe change is beyond necessary, then DO SOMETHING... and stop bashing those who are doing something



posted on Nov, 15 2011 @ 01:32 AM
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Originally posted by TupacShakur
Congress shall make no law


you "forget" that it was NOT congress that made the law about the park......



posted on Nov, 15 2011 @ 01:37 AM
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Wait...now, I understand this is private property. So most of this stuff doesn't apply. However, if it was public property and you pulled that line out of your ass like I know you just did, I would be some what angry. Please read the 14th amendment just in case this happens on public property and you say such a thing. Doctrine of Incorporation, man....Doctrine of Incorporation. 1-8(1/2) are all forced upon the states. (Oh yes, there is an issue with 8 and how only half of it applies. Very interesting and assbackwards legal issue going on there)

Just be careful next time you pull that one, ok?



posted on Nov, 15 2011 @ 01:38 AM
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If you believe change is beyond necessary, then DO SOMETHING ... and stop bashing those who are doing something


What have they done besides gathering and waiting to confront the police? I don't quite get the step 2 after gathering
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posted on Nov, 15 2011 @ 01:39 AM
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its pretty sad, no respect for the police, they dont deserve any



posted on Nov, 15 2011 @ 01:40 AM
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Pure hearsay, but someone in the chat on the live stream is claiming that the Hell's Angels are assembled in the hundreds and moving towards the park?

Anyone heard anything about this? Or is it just someone's fantasy?

ETA: Now they are claiming the police scanner is mentioning shots fired in a battle between the police and bikers. Anyone have a link to the scanner?
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posted on Nov, 15 2011 @ 01:41 AM
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If you believe change is beyond necessary, then DO SOMETHING... and stop bashing those who are doing something
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Why do you assume I am not doing something and what, pray tell, are those who I am "bashing" doing? That is my question. What are they doing? What are they accomplishing?



posted on Nov, 15 2011 @ 01:43 AM
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Originally posted by ReleaseThePressure

These same cops can choose to ignore the constitution, or abide by it...

If you believe change is beyond necessary, then DO SOMETHING ... and stop bashing those who are doing something


What have they done besides gathering and waiting to confront the police? I don't quite get the step 2 after gathering
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I dont understand your last sentence... but here goes an answer for you...

6 things that occupy wall street has already accomplished

Most notably in my mind, are exposing the police state, the trampling of your rights.. plus they have begun to awaken the masses to the rampant corruption, greed, and deceit by our rulers



posted on Nov, 15 2011 @ 01:44 AM
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They're reminding the spineless sheep that we can assemble peacefully, and that obviously more groups than just Occupy need to start doing this, because the man doesn't seem to have a problem running over us at this point in time.
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posted on Nov, 15 2011 @ 01:46 AM
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Don't know if that's true, I hope something happens because this is getting pretty boring.



posted on Nov, 15 2011 @ 01:46 AM
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Originally posted by ownbestenemy
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Overall, one must remember that Zuccotti Park is a privately-owned public space. If the developer wishes to "evict" the people within it is their right to do so to protect their investment. But be damned private property rights right?!

Post Script: This shouldn't be construed to be an endorsement of questionable police tactics; but if the developer wants to press charges on all the protesters that choose to stay within the park; I am for that.
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Excellent point. People who are trying to bring socialist Utopia not liking their property taken by the State while they yet occupy the property donated to the city by private citizends, rather ironic.



posted on Nov, 15 2011 @ 01:46 AM
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Originally posted by morder1

Originally posted by ReleaseThePressure

These same cops can choose to ignore the constitution, or abide by it...

If you believe change is beyond necessary, then DO SOMETHING ... and stop bashing those who are doing something


What have they done besides gathering and waiting to confront the police? I don't quite get the step 2 after gathering
edit on 15-11-2011 by ReleaseThePressure because: correction


I dont understand your last sentence... but here goes an answer for you...

6 things that occupy wall street has already accomplished

Most notably in my mind, are exposing the police state, the trampling of your rights.. plus they have begun to awaken the masses to the rampant corruption, greed, and deceit by our rulers


So basically it's a revolution on public opinion?

I understand that part. But i'm talking about steps to actually get the results they want.



posted on Nov, 15 2011 @ 01:50 AM
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Does assembling peacefully not include respect for your neighbors? To me it means respecting those around you who are not the target of your wrath.



posted on Nov, 15 2011 @ 02:06 AM
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With so many of the police force on this project, I wonder what is happening around the rest of the city, where crime may be occurring.



posted on Nov, 15 2011 @ 02:09 AM
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What have they done besides gathering and waiting to confront the police? I don't quite get the step 2 after gathering


They have woken up many people around the World. They have brought awareness to many people who were not previously aware of the corrupt system. They have forced the media and politicians to acknowledge and comment on the corruption of Banks, Corporations and Politicians.

Most importantly they have given a voice to people who can not afford to buy off a Congressman or Senator. They have started a Worldwide movement that will continue to grow and become a new political movement. This was just the beginning and I would say it was more successful than anyone could have imagined.

They can be proud of themselves and I can once again say I am proud to live in America. It may not be perfect, but it's the best we got. The greedy hands of the banks were about take the final crumbs out of our National cookie jar. Someone needed to slap them on the wrist. Bank Transfer Day grew out of this awareness movement.

Wars are fought in battles and this was just the first one. Victory belongs to the people. The battle for awareness has been won. Now it is time to step back and form a new plan of action that can carry the movement and the message further. The people united will never be defeated.



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