Originally posted by elevatedone
OH for the love of god and all that is holy....


IT WAS A PLANE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

IT WAS A PLANE !!!!!!!!!!!!!

IT WAS A PLANE !!!!!!!!!!


there's no conspiracy about it other than who's really responsible and don't get me started about that.... it was a plane !!!!!!!!!!

I'm sorry my friend, but I truly believe that YOU are the kook who believes in the TRULY crazy and absurd story that a 757 hit. I'm sorry, if you don't want to see what is there to see (even though it's shocking and disturbing) then I'm sorry. The evidence of a smaller craft doing the job, stacked up against the mindless media/gov induced repitition, of It's a plane, it's a plane, it's a plane, is really sad. But it DOES seem to work with tons of people. If someone says something enough, it starts to become truer than anything else to most people, regardless if it's accurate. Unfortunately, if the government told us all the sky was green enough, the sky would probably turn green.

Originally posted by rai76Im sorry, but do you have any evidence which shows that it was a plane, if you are so sure?

What about the bodies of those you were manifested aboard Flight 77 that were recovered from the site? Did someone kill those people at some remote site, immolate the bodies and take them to the Pentagon? AA 77 hit the Pentagon on 9/11/2001. At least one very well known person was on board that flight and I have seen her husband interviewed on TV. Some of the links I provided earlier have interviews with those who lost loved ones on that flight.

Originally posted by Loki

You have failed to consider that perhaps what struck the pentagon was some variety of multi-stage attack weapon, or perhaps some black tech that we have no clue about?

I think that's what's up, personally.

So you're saying it was some black tech we have no clue about that looks like a passenger jet, leaves debris of a passenger jet, leaves bodies of people who were on said passenger jet, yet is not a jet....

WOW our government is way more advanced than I thought they were.
I can't wait to get ahold of some of this mysterious technology and start putting it to use for good instead of evil.

Show me the debris...debris that is definitively from aircraft...

And as for bodies, there is no way for us to prove that those bodies aren't from the people inside the building.

But anyway the previous poster was looking for proof it was an airplane not a missile either way 757 or global hawk is still and airplane.

[edit on 3-9-2004 by Skibum]

from the site you asked me to look at

Sarah Roberts claimed that most of the debris from inside the Pentagon was removed quickly, before photographs could be taken. Of course, normally one would expect this type of material to be saved for a proper forensic investigation. The lack of which leads to justifiable speculation, just as happened with the rush to sell off the WTC steel, and the rush to remove JFK from Parkland Hospital in Dallas before the lawful autopsy by competent doctors could be performed.

That is odd don't you think, to remove debris, and why?, if they did could they not replace it with 757 parts, also?

yes I agree it was something else, I do not think it was a 757

[edit on 3-9-2004 by Sauron]

Ok. For and against the official story.

For

- Many eye whitness accounts claiming to see a plane.

However people could have mistaken the object seeing as it was travelling so fast. Plus the fact that other plane(s) were seen flying around apparently. Some whitnesses claim that a larger plane flew in low with the object that hit the pentagon. Maybe the eyewhitness accounts could be explained by this. If "they" wanted to make it appear like an airplane hit then they could have used the tactic of simply getting a plane in flying low. Once people here on then ews that plane hit he pentagon then they will imediately remember seeing that low flying plane.

- Items from plane supposedly found e.g luggage

If this conspiracy is truly this large then it would not be much of an extra step to plant luggage inside the building.

- Wreckage that apparently matches components of a 757

As has been shown in this thread, alot of the wreckage apparently matches other planes as well, the Global hawk was the example. That plane also matches the only from of the plane in the security video.

- The question of the passengers on board, bodies discovered at the scene


against

- Inconsistent amount of damage comparitive to the usually large amounts of wreckage and mess that an air disaster leaves.

The speed of the plane and the nature of the target could have made the plane disintegrate, but it's clear that no wreckage of any kind was outside, e.g the huge metal wing span, tail, large engines.

- Impact hole upon initial impact appears not large enough for a large commercial airliner to fit inside.

- After seeing the horrible images of the planes smashing into the WTC buildings again, again and again, why did we only ever get to see the pentagon on fire? It is clear that in an area like that you would have a large amount of CCTV etc.

- The only footage released has had crucial frames removed so that you cannot get a clear image of the object that hits.


- Comments from people who trained the highjackers, claiming that their skills as pilots were not very good at all. People on the radar screens are amazed with the fast, sharp "military jet" like movements. The turn into the right trajectory (which accoured near the highway) were said to have been only possible if a highly trained pilot.

- Rumsfeld's Slip o' the tounge....he said "missile"

- The area struck was conviniently the section under renovation.

- The laws has absoloutely no sign of large scale disaster even though apparently a large commercial jet has just exploded in front of it.

No matter what you say it is hard to believe that all of the plane including the wings would vaporize in that way. Yoo would expect some debris to be thrown to the law for quite a distance.



Ok well a few O' my opinions, I am undecided.

Very good, and quite awesome, earthtone.

In my mind, I'm positive that it was some sort of short- to mid-range ballistic missile.

Now, from what I've seen about the damage, and etcetera, the way that the missile worked was this:

It had a low trajectory, with a significantly high airspeed. At initial contact, the object exploded, doing two things:
Opening a nice, wide hole (though not wide enough to call it a 757)
Propelled the remainder of the missile further into the building at a fantastic rate, explaining the remaining 5 outside walls it punched through, not including interior walls.

I don't know what sort of missile or projectile this is, but....

From what I'm seeing, that's what seems to have happened at ground zero.

Originally posted by earthtone

However people could have mistaken the object seeing as it was travelling so fast. Plus the fact that other plane(s) were seen flying around apparently. Some whitnesses claim that a larger plane flew in low with the object that hit the pentagon. Maybe the eyewhitness accounts could be explained by this. If "they" wanted to make it appear like an airplane hit then they could have used the tactic of simply getting a plane in flying low. Once people here on then ews that plane hit he pentagon then they will imediately remember seeing that low flying plane.

Eye Witness" "DOH," Slaps fore head, "we's all ijiots we can't tell a plane from a missle. doh."

Sorry, I can't buy that explanation. the plane was only going about 400 to 500 mph. If you were 1/4 mile away, the apparent speed would have not been that great. Besides, there would have been people on the other side that would have seen the plane flying away[b/], wouldn't there have been?

Those photos are damning evidence.
It is almost certain it was a global hawk armed with a missile.

My guess on what happened to the real flight 77 is they crashed it into the Atlantic Ocean.
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