The above is a photo of a piece of debris on the lawn.
Here even Rense gets something right once and a while.
Edit:
[edit on 3-9-2004 by HowardRoark]
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reply posted on 3-9-2004 @ 01:49 PM by SMR
I have said in many threads about this,that it was in no way possible a 757 that hit the Pentagon.I cant seem to figure out why people insist that it
was.
People are also forgetting what they post in previous posts.Those in favor keep saying it hit and vaporized,and later say the wings were sheared off.Now how does this make any sense?If it hit in one piece,there should be alot more that what we are being shown.If the wings came off,then we would have wings almost undamaged on the ground.
Too many are contradicting themselves on this issue.
As for facts about what it was,I think the images speak for themeselves and speak 1000 words.
Sooner or later,something is going to bust this issue wide open,and I feel it will be video footage of what REALLY hit that place.It maybe in the hands of a John Doe that was not known to have it and is affraid right now that he could be sought after,or the leak of security tape from another camera.....one of the ones that we are not being showed for some reason or another.
ONE security cam at the Petagon.....yeah right.
As for the link above with the images.Those images show me nothing but a heap of metal and other junk.For all we know,that metal could be from green filing cabnits
There is one image of what seems to be a wheel,but wha ttype and from what?Could be any type of plane.
And another thing.If this was a 757 and it hit,went inside and exploded and created such disaster,why are these pilers still standing in this image www.rense.com...
If the pilers in the WTC couldnt hadle it,how did this?
And using photos from AFTER most debre was taken away does not make anyone think WHY?Why no images before it was taken away?If they want us to think it was a 757,they should have showed us more PLANE evidence,not a pile of undiscribable metal.
[edit on 3-9-2004 by SMR]
People are also forgetting what they post in previous posts.Those in favor keep saying it hit and vaporized,and later say the wings were sheared off.Now how does this make any sense?If it hit in one piece,there should be alot more that what we are being shown.If the wings came off,then we would have wings almost undamaged on the ground.
Too many are contradicting themselves on this issue.
As for facts about what it was,I think the images speak for themeselves and speak 1000 words.
Sooner or later,something is going to bust this issue wide open,and I feel it will be video footage of what REALLY hit that place.It maybe in the hands of a John Doe that was not known to have it and is affraid right now that he could be sought after,or the leak of security tape from another camera.....one of the ones that we are not being showed for some reason or another.
ONE security cam at the Petagon.....yeah right.
As for the link above with the images.Those images show me nothing but a heap of metal and other junk.For all we know,that metal could be from green filing cabnits
There is one image of what seems to be a wheel,but wha ttype and from what?Could be any type of plane.
And another thing.If this was a 757 and it hit,went inside and exploded and created such disaster,why are these pilers still standing in this image www.rense.com...
If the pilers in the WTC couldnt hadle it,how did this?
And using photos from AFTER most debre was taken away does not make anyone think WHY?Why no images before it was taken away?If they want us to think it was a 757,they should have showed us more PLANE evidence,not a pile of undiscribable metal.
[edit on 3-9-2004 by SMR]
reply posted on 3-9-2004 @ 01:52 PM by thematrix
Originally posted by HowardRoark
The above is a photo of a piece of debris on the lawn.
Here even Rense gets something right once and a while.
Snopes doesn't like leechers ...
reply posted on 3-9-2004 @ 02:16 PM by GradyPhilpott
Originally posted by piboy
[I have to disagree with you here. I think there are plenty of explanations of how flight 77 could have hit the pentagon, but the evidence doesn't support it.
In fact, the evidence supports anything else hitting the Pentagon just as well as flight 77 hitting the Pentagon.
Seriously now, did you look at any the sites I posted? Let me repost the site posted by Bleys.
www.rense.com...
reply posted on 3-9-2004 @ 02:23 PM by Jazzerman
Bleys...thanks for those pictures. I think they are pretty conclusive that it may have been an aircraft.
Grady...perhaps I missed it, but I didn't see a single link that you provided that visual evidence of an airplane crash (ie debris). No need to go any deeper on this, maybe I just missed it. Edit: My fault...didn't see your Rense link, only saw Bleys link!
So, now we have two pieces of evidence. One in the form of engine fragments, wheels, scrap metal from the structure of the plane, etc. On the other hand we have a video showing many of the same pictures, but leaving out the evidence of the plane. Logically, one can only believe the source with more evidence to support it...so, the Pentagon was struck by an aircraft. Or at least something resembling an aircraft.
Now that there is enough visual proof to conclude that it probably was struck by an airplane, what next? The question remains...who did it?
Grady presents good evidence that we were struck, by an outside source perhaps (ie terrorists). The video shows how the govt. seized film of the "plane" crashing into the side. Something is going on here, right? So, how about some more evidence for both arguments (Terrorists vs. the US Govt. behind the crash) and see where we go from there.
PS- That missile that looks like an airplane is quite intriguing. Anyone have evidence to disprove it? Here is the link again from another poster:
www.fas.org...
[edit on 3-9-2004 by Jazzerman]
Grady...perhaps I missed it, but I didn't see a single link that you provided that visual evidence of an airplane crash (ie debris). No need to go any deeper on this, maybe I just missed it. Edit: My fault...didn't see your Rense link, only saw Bleys link!
So, now we have two pieces of evidence. One in the form of engine fragments, wheels, scrap metal from the structure of the plane, etc. On the other hand we have a video showing many of the same pictures, but leaving out the evidence of the plane. Logically, one can only believe the source with more evidence to support it...so, the Pentagon was struck by an aircraft. Or at least something resembling an aircraft.
Now that there is enough visual proof to conclude that it probably was struck by an airplane, what next? The question remains...who did it?
Grady presents good evidence that we were struck, by an outside source perhaps (ie terrorists). The video shows how the govt. seized film of the "plane" crashing into the side. Something is going on here, right? So, how about some more evidence for both arguments (Terrorists vs. the US Govt. behind the crash) and see where we go from there.
PS- That missile that looks like an airplane is quite intriguing. Anyone have evidence to disprove it? Here is the link again from another poster:
www.fas.org...
[edit on 3-9-2004 by Jazzerman]
reply posted on 3-9-2004 @ 02:26 PM by piboy
Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
Seriously now, did you look at any the sites I posted? Let me repost the site posted by Bleys.
www.rense.com...
Yes I have seen them. Let me play a little devil's advocate....
Do the photos on rense.com show evidence of a 757, or just some aircraft? Do the parts in the photos show parts unique to a 757? Do the photos show parts unique to an American Airlines 757? Do the photos show parts unique to American Airlines Flight 77?
If the photos do not show parts unique to even a 757, then there is not really evidence that the plane was a 757. There is only evidence that there is a plane. Explanations then surface that the plane was a 757 (or an American Airlines jet, or flight 77), but the evidence is not conclusive.
That's why need need evidence that excludes all other explanations but one. And we don't have that.
There are other sites which show the debris to be consistent with other types of aircraft, but I didn't think we even need to go there to see that the evidence on rense is not unique to flight 77.
[edit on 3-9-2004 by piboy]
reply posted on 3-9-2004 @ 02:46 PM by Sauron
A Smoking Gun:
Video Showing the Collapsed Building and Possible Landing Gear
You can clearly see from this video that there was never a huge gapping hole created in the Pentagon wall. The hole is only one story high, first floor and all the other floors collapsed down on top of it. There is no way a Boeing 757 could ever have gone through there. This leaves us with two questions
What did hit the pentagon and the other relates to who was involved in 9/11 that created this massive lie? It is easy to point fingers at the administration as they most certainly are suspects in my mind, however they couldn't do it alone. How many others were involved in this cover-up and treason?
The Global Hawk
Possibly a Global Hawk wheel found in the wreckage
Close up of the wheel on the Global Hawk. Now this looks more realistic in terms of what we would expect.
To further this Global Hawk angle lets look at this engine part found in the wreckage
You can see a person standing next to the motor
the motors are much bigger in size
source: www.freedomfiles.org...
Defense Secretary:
"and the missile to damage this building"
And Rummy said quote: Here we're talking about plastic knives and using an American Airlines flight filled with our citizens, and the missile to damage this building and similar (inaudible) that damaged the World Trade Center. The only way to deal with this problem is by taking the battle to the terrorists, wherever they are, and dealing with them."
Source: www.the7thfire.com...
Pentagon 4 days before September 11th click the picture for a full view
[edit on 3-9-2004 by Sauron]
Video Showing the Collapsed Building and Possible Landing Gear
You can clearly see from this video that there was never a huge gapping hole created in the Pentagon wall. The hole is only one story high, first floor and all the other floors collapsed down on top of it. There is no way a Boeing 757 could ever have gone through there. This leaves us with two questions
What did hit the pentagon and the other relates to who was involved in 9/11 that created this massive lie? It is easy to point fingers at the administration as they most certainly are suspects in my mind, however they couldn't do it alone. How many others were involved in this cover-up and treason?
The Global Hawk
Possibly a Global Hawk wheel found in the wreckage
Close up of the wheel on the Global Hawk. Now this looks more realistic in terms of what we would expect.
To further this Global Hawk angle lets look at this engine part found in the wreckage
You can see a person standing next to the motor
the motors are much bigger in size
source: www.freedomfiles.org...
Defense Secretary:
"and the missile to damage this building"
And Rummy said quote: Here we're talking about plastic knives and using an American Airlines flight filled with our citizens, and the missile to damage this building and similar (inaudible) that damaged the World Trade Center. The only way to deal with this problem is by taking the battle to the terrorists, wherever they are, and dealing with them."
Source: www.the7thfire.com...
Pentagon 4 days before September 11th click the picture for a full view
[edit on 3-9-2004 by Sauron]
reply posted on 3-9-2004 @ 03:14 PM by ThichHeaded
Originally posted by Sauron
A Smoking Gun:
Video Showing the Collapsed Building and Possible Landing Gear
bla bla to much to just let quote
Interesting site there man. really detailed site.
reply posted on 3-9-2004 @ 03:26 PM by RogueOne
I looooooooooooove this topic. It will never die because ... no 757 could possibly have crashed into the Pentagon. At least none has yet.
Usually some "skeptic something-or-other" comes by to say the eye and ear-witnesses of a cruise missile are all wrong because his brother-in-law knows someone who heard about some witness who thinks they might of seen a jet that resembles a 757. And 'that's that"! Ho hum.
This is an easy one. People saw a large array of different flying aircraft - helicopter/757/cruise missile/C-130/small jet/fighter - take them all with a grain of salt, and move on. Check out this:
www.911closeup.com...
Recently we learned from the government that the WTC towers could not have collapsed due to fire. Link Kinda makes sense, yes? Maybe that explains all those witnesses to explosions bringing down towers 1, 2, 6 & 7?
This new flash presentation is good and brings up the main points of the most likely scenario. Check the entry hole & the exit hole, the suppressed video. Your own eyes reveal that if a 757 jet would discintegrate - wouldn't the bodies too? Wouldn't those wire spools? Videos and pics tell so much more than an unreliable "eyewitness". Classic was the military releasing the video showing the missile - and then going through the pains of clipping out the 2 frames that show the missile in full view. Maybe noone will notice? Guilty, eh?
Imagine if the fuel tanks of that airliner were running on empty? 'Skeptics' may tell you that you could sit at your desk by the outer wall of the Pentagon, and survive the impact of a 757 flying at you at 400+ mph! (Good thing that wall was reinforced!) I'd sit on the far side where Rumsfeld was. I loved that interview (where did I put that link...) with Rumsfeld where he mentions, "...when the missile hit, errr..." [oops! too late.]
Usually some "skeptic something-or-other" comes by to say the eye and ear-witnesses of a cruise missile are all wrong because his brother-in-law knows someone who heard about some witness who thinks they might of seen a jet that resembles a 757. And 'that's that"! Ho hum.
This is an easy one. People saw a large array of different flying aircraft - helicopter/757/cruise missile/C-130/small jet/fighter - take them all with a grain of salt, and move on. Check out this:
www.911closeup.com...
Recently we learned from the government that the WTC towers could not have collapsed due to fire. Link Kinda makes sense, yes? Maybe that explains all those witnesses to explosions bringing down towers 1, 2, 6 & 7?
This new flash presentation is good and brings up the main points of the most likely scenario. Check the entry hole & the exit hole, the suppressed video. Your own eyes reveal that if a 757 jet would discintegrate - wouldn't the bodies too? Wouldn't those wire spools? Videos and pics tell so much more than an unreliable "eyewitness". Classic was the military releasing the video showing the missile - and then going through the pains of clipping out the 2 frames that show the missile in full view. Maybe noone will notice? Guilty, eh?
Imagine if the fuel tanks of that airliner were running on empty? 'Skeptics' may tell you that you could sit at your desk by the outer wall of the Pentagon, and survive the impact of a 757 flying at you at 400+ mph! (Good thing that wall was reinforced!) I'd sit on the far side where Rumsfeld was. I loved that interview (where did I put that link...) with Rumsfeld where he mentions, "...when the missile hit, errr..." [oops! too late.]
reply posted on 3-9-2004 @ 04:06 PM by Romeo
HERE's the damning evidence!!! again from the Rense site that concludes it WAS an aircraft!
This is the hole in the side of the Pentagon.
www.rense.com...
the sign on the left gives perspective.
So a 757 struck this and the wings didn't even scratch the brickwork adjacent to the edges. What rot. they sheered off and vanished? Fine. But no way did they not make the edges crumble and buckle.
That is a high velocity puncture wound fom a small wingless projectile. The wheel debri etc found inside were preplanted. There is no other explanation.
This is the hole in the side of the Pentagon.
www.rense.com...
the sign on the left gives perspective.
So a 757 struck this and the wings didn't even scratch the brickwork adjacent to the edges. What rot. they sheered off and vanished? Fine. But no way did they not make the edges crumble and buckle.
That is a high velocity puncture wound fom a small wingless projectile. The wheel debri etc found inside were preplanted. There is no other explanation.
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